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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 24, 2017 18:23:17 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy.
I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 18:26:19 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy. I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems. Honestly what I've heard the plan was before Ledger died - the Silence of the Lambs but with Batman - I think Rises is probably the better route.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 24, 2017 18:30:00 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy. I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems. Honestly what I've heard the plan was before Ledger died - the Silence of the Lambs but with Batman - I think Rises is probably the better route. if so then yeah... though that worked pretty decently in the comics but Calendar man was Hannibal there which probably works better than Joker.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 24, 2017 20:45:18 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy. I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems. Honestly what I've heard the plan was before Ledger died - the Silence of the Lambs but with Batman - I think Rises is probably the better route. Christopher Nolan is pretty lazy in that regard. All his Batman movies were just another story/film he loved just retold with Batman, he's admitted as much himself. Batman Begins was his version of Superman: The Movie, The Dark Knight was Heat, and he wanted the third film to be The Silence of the Lambs. When that didn't pan out, he made it A Tale of Two Cities instead.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 25, 2017 6:54:42 GMT -5
Honestly what I've heard the plan was before Ledger died - the Silence of the Lambs but with Batman - I think Rises is probably the better route. Christopher Nolan is pretty lazy in that regard. All his Batman movies were just another story/film he loved just retold with Batman, he's admitted as much himself. Batman Begins was his version of Superman: The Movie, The Dark Knight was Heat, and he wanted the third film to be The Silence of the Lambs. When that didn't pan out, he made it A Tale of Two Cities instead. Dark Knight is heavily influenced by Heat, but Heat is one of my favorite movies of all time, so it's all good.
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Post by dav on Feb 25, 2017 7:07:52 GMT -5
I always liked Rises and found that the plot holes were rather overstated. That said, if we can get more variations on the Batman character like the Lego Movie, I'd be as happy as Larry with that.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Feb 25, 2017 10:58:31 GMT -5
It seemed like once Ledger died, Nolan wanted out. The studio said no so he made a movie about a guy who really didn't want to do his job.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 25, 2017 11:13:36 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy. I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems. Same here Except I'll go "Dark Knight Rises" was awful
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 25, 2017 15:44:21 GMT -5
Batman Begins was amazing
Dark Knight was literally transcendent.
I really like Rises, flaws and all.
That said, DC still seems to think 'serious/dark' is the only way to play things. Nolan is my second fave director, he he doesn't have to cast THAT big a shadow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 15:49:41 GMT -5
Batman Begins was amazing Dark Knight was literally transcendent. I really like Rises, flaws and all. That said, DC still seems to think 'serious/dark' is the only way to play things. Nolan is my second fave director, he he doesn't have to cast THAT big a shadow. Doesn't really help that they missed that all of those movies are still actually fun and have light moments in them. Dark Knight Rises is a story about a broken down Bruce forced back into the fight with the city plunged into anarchy while he has absolutely nothing left, with surely hundreds or thousands of people dying along the way, and it's way funnier than the wacky strange bedfellows team-up movie.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 25, 2017 15:53:57 GMT -5
That's true. In a way it's sorta reflective of late 80s early 90s comics where all they took from Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen was 'Dark! Kids like dark stuff!'
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 25, 2017 17:15:04 GMT -5
I can understand why the WB to some degree can't let go of the grim dark concept. That very tone in which Nolan placed the Batman world in brought them a very successful trilogy, hence why they can't seem to let go of that very atmosphere. Batman, as we all can agree on, works very well in a dark and gritty setting and Nolan is the one who brought Batman back out of obscurity after the whole Batman and Robin fiasco.
Before Nolan was brought on board the mere thought of another Batman film was considered toxic and I can remember when the teaser for Batman Begins came out, the majority of the people kept stating "ANOTHER Batman movie?! Come on now." Nolan deserves a lot of credit for bringing Batman back to a relevant status after Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. DC/WB just needs to let the directors, writers, and actors do their job, take their time with the universe, and go from there. There's no need to catch up with Marvel or even compete with them honestly.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 25, 2017 17:30:55 GMT -5
I can understand why the WB to some degree can't let go of the grim dark concept. That very tone in which Nolan placed the Batman world in brought them a very successful trilogy, hence why they can't seem to let go of that very atmosphere. Batman, as we all can agree on, works very well in a dark and gritty setting and Nolan is the one who brought Batman back out of obscurity after the whole Batman and Robin fiasco. Before Nolan was brought on board the mere thought of another Batman film was considered toxic and I can remember when the teaser for Batman Begins came out, the majority of the people kept stating "ANOTHER Batman movie?! Come on now." Nolan deserves a lot of credit for bringing Batman back to a relevant status after Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. DC/WB just needs to let the directors, writers, and actors do their job, take their time with the universe, and go from there. There's no need to catch up with Marvel or even compete with them honestly. I think people overstate how dark Nolan's movies were due to the look of the films. The actual material isn't all that dark. He made three movies about good people coming together to overcome evil and bring hope to a city in need of it. No heroes were "deconstructed" and there were no shades of gray among them. Bruce was genuinely good, Gordon was good, Alfred was good, Lucius, Blake, all good people. There wasn't any of that "I give up on humanity" bullshit from the heroes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 17:46:52 GMT -5
There wasn't any of that "I give up on humanity" bullshit from the heroes. Well, Dent, but that had a purpose.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 25, 2017 19:23:01 GMT -5
There wasn't any of that "I give up on humanity" bullshit from the heroes. Well, Dent, but that had a purpose. Well, Harvey Dent ultimately isn't a hero, that's why I didn't count him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 1:27:45 GMT -5
I only really liked The Dark Knight of the Nolan trilogy. I found Begins to be really boring... and rises was... not good. Granted I have a feeling Ledger's death messed with some ideas but it still had a lot of problems. Yeah that's how I feel. Batman Begins is a fine movie but it's just fine and nothing special that I would rather watch Batman and Robin instead if I had to choose because Batman and Robin is a special kind of bad movie. The Dark Knight is one of my all time favorite movies that holds up amazingly well today and I enjoy the little things you always pick up in each viewing. The Dark Knight Rises is the opposite that you liked it when it first came out but nowhere near as much as you did with The Dark Knight or Batman Begins but you like the movie less and less with each viewing. It's still a good movie but it's just very flawed and dissapointing and you get the sense the only thing that motivated Nolan to film the movie was to get out of contract and the opportunity to film some bat shit insane things you would never have the opportunity to film again, like actually hijacking a plane in real life and crashing it in the middle of nowhere in real life.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 26, 2017 1:34:40 GMT -5
I always said you could tell Nolan didn't want to do the third Batman movie at that time
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 26, 2017 1:40:21 GMT -5
The Cap trilogy is probably my favorite superhero film series. Winter Soldier is the strongest movie overall IMO, and First Avenger is probably my third favorite but even that's solid at the absolute worst. With Nolan Batman, I adore the first two, but most of the non-Bane events in Rises I'm kinda "ehhh" on. Like Bruce is barely ever in the suit. The third Nolan film should have used Harley Quinn instead of Bane. They could explain that when they captured the Joker, his Arkham shrink developed an obsession with him, and when the Joker was found dead one day in his cell, she snapped. Hell, Anne Hathaway could have played Harley Quinn instead of Catwoman. All that stuff with Talia al Ghul and the League of Shadows should have been dumped, as should the "citizens take over Gotham and act like assholes" storyline.
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Post by DSR on Feb 26, 2017 2:05:36 GMT -5
I love Batman Begins. It's one of my all-time favorite movies.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2017 2:16:15 GMT -5
I love Batman Begins. It's one of my all-time favorite movies. It's my #1 Batman movie. For me it's the live action version of Batman that comes closest to nailing both Batman and Bruce Wayne.
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