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Post by Starshine on Jan 4, 2017 2:46:49 GMT -5
Litdown?
Is that a Mauro thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 2:54:30 GMT -5
SD would turn Reigns into a hot commodity. If they brought him to the show, guaranteed, he'd be doing well.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 4, 2017 3:11:18 GMT -5
The big difference between Raw and Smackdown for me is you can miss Raw and usually not miss anything of note except for the occasional good match. Miss Smackdown and you're going to miss important bits of character development and storylines.
This week a lot happened in 2 hours. A title change, a possible heel turn, Carmela and Elsworth's growing relationship, AJ and Cena's great contract signing and the Bliss vs Lynch feud and La Luchadora.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 6:57:09 GMT -5
Nooooooooo way. Smackdown's been a nothing show for years! There's no way anything ever exciting happens. All of this exciting stuff over the past few months are all just one time things. Smackdown would never beat Raw in ratings. Stephanie, I'm a big fan of yours.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 4, 2017 7:20:41 GMT -5
The big difference between Raw and Smackdown for me is you can miss Raw and usually not miss anything of note except for the occasional good match. Miss Smackdown and you're going to miss important bits of character development and storylines. This week a lot happened in 2 hours. A title change, a possible heel turn, Carmela and Elsworth's growing relationship, AJ and Cena's great contract signing and the Bliss vs Lynch feud and La Luchadora. I'm not sure all of those are important developments. Like Cena has told us that he loves double double E 1000 times before and we still don't know who La Luchadora is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 7:35:47 GMT -5
The big difference between Raw and Smackdown for me is you can miss Raw and usually not miss anything of note except for the occasional good match. Miss Smackdown and you're going to miss important bits of character development and storylines. This week a lot happened in 2 hours. A title change, a possible heel turn, Carmela and Elsworth's growing relationship, AJ and Cena's great contract signing and the Bliss vs Lynch feud and La Luchadora. I'm not sure all of those are important developments. Like Cena has told us that he loves double double E 1000 times before and we still don't know who La Luchadora is. "It's the one in the mask."
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 4, 2017 7:38:32 GMT -5
The big difference between Raw and Smackdown for me is you can miss Raw and usually not miss anything of note except for the occasional good match. Miss Smackdown and you're going to miss important bits of character development and storylines. This week a lot happened in 2 hours. A title change, a possible heel turn, Carmela and Elsworth's growing relationship, AJ and Cena's great contract signing and the Bliss vs Lynch feud and La Luchadora. I'm not sure all of those are important developments. Like Cena has told us that he loves double double E 1000 times before and we still don't know who La Luchadora is. Well, of course not. The angle's been running one week. Why have a mystery angle if you solve the mystery in one week? And it doesn't matter if they're important developments, the point is they're developments. On Raw it's just match, match, match, match with no actual story progression.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 4, 2017 7:57:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure all of those are important developments. Like Cena has told us that he loves double double E 1000 times before and we still don't know who La Luchadora is. Well, of course not. The angle's been running one week. Why have a mystery angle if you solve the mystery in one week? And it doesn't matter if they're important developments, the point is they're developments. On Raw it's just match, match, match, match with no actual story progression. I'm not saying I wanted it solved in one week I'm saying if you didn't see that segment of SD this week then you wouldn't have missed anything. Last week La Luchadora interfered and we didn't know who she was. They did the same thing this week. You could say on Raw this week they teased conflict between Owens and Jericho but they've teased it a bajillion times so I wouldn't call it a development. I realise I'm nitpicking and basically arguing for the sake of it cos I'm a jerk.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 4, 2017 8:30:19 GMT -5
Alright...time to speak.
The show last week that broke the ratings streak was largely fantastic. I thought that was probably the best episode of SDL I've seen yet. But Smackdown is usually so distinctly mediocre that I struggle with all the hyperbole about how awful Raw is - when it's usually drawn out but decent - and how untouchably awesome Smackdown is. The largest reason why SDL isn't as good as its hyped up to be is that there's a prerequisite to care about a lot of overexposed or frankly underwhelming talent. I don't care how good a match with Dolph Ziggler is, I'm not caring about it in 2017. Even less if something involves Baron Corbin. They're having to push this guy towards the upper-card because there's nobody else. Miz's work is fantastic as of late, but after 13 years or whatever it's been of seeing him, I find it hard to fully invest. I won't fault him on that at all, however. That's my problem with Cena, though Cena gives Smackdown's meager main event scene much needed credibility. Randy Orton as a Wyatt...it's just uninspired writing, and more importantly missed potential to do something truly different with Randy Orton's entire look and persona. I feel like the whole thing is flying half-mast. The tag division and women's division are so thin. American Alpha kick ass, Usos going heel was nice, but it's lacking severely. With the women, Alexa Bliss has fully won me over, Becky is the shit, Nattie is a solid vet, but holy hell do I not want to see Carmella, Nikki, Total Divas drama etc. I do like what they're doing with Becky right now.
AJ Styles is Smackdown. Some would argue Dean is too, and I can see that I guess. But AJ to me is the freakin' man worthy of all his hype. It's been rough on the weeks where he's resting up and only talking, or late last year primarily working with James Ellsworth. I think Smackdown got a raw deal (no pun intended) with the draft. They were put in the position to have to elevate guys like Crews and Corbin who could've used more time in the NXT oven. Then ADR bailed immediately, Cena went to film movies or whatever he was doing, AJ had to take it easy on his ankle, etc. As much as I like the idea of Cesaro/Sheamus, I think this could've been Cesaro's time to rise over on SDL. But alas, it's a decent show that's occasionally a great show that's usually an underwhelming show that gets crazy overhyped no matter what.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jan 4, 2017 9:09:59 GMT -5
I thought Raw was better this week. Both shows range from average to poor to me so im not really bandwagoning for any show
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 4, 2017 9:34:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure all of those are important developments. Like Cena has told us that he loves double double E 1000 times before and we still don't know who La Luchadora is. "It's the one in the mask." "Will you stop?"
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 4, 2017 9:37:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised there wasn't more adulation for how aj made cena his b word , or at least an appreciation thread at this point lol
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 4, 2017 10:42:32 GMT -5
The big difference between Raw and Smackdown for me is you can miss Raw and usually not miss anything of note except for the occasional good match. Miss Smackdown and you're going to miss important bits of character development and storylines. This week a lot happened in 2 hours. A title change, a possible heel turn, Carmela and Elsworth's growing relationship, AJ and Cena's great contract signing and the Bliss vs Lynch feud and La Luchadora. And even that brief description was barely scratching the surface. EVERY segment of SDLive matters. Nattie/Nikki's feud got ugly with them both bringing Hart Legacy/John Cena's bootytime into it American Alpha squashed Breezango but the real story is the Wyatts are gonna be needin' their titles back, and Harper feels like he's let the Fam down and is all jelly that Randy is the new Goldenboy JBL teased de-blocking Mauro on Twitter after calling Corbin's clotheslines reminiscent of the Clothesline from "Hades", but more importantly ZIGGLER HEEL TURN Crews finally gets a new feud against Heel Ziggler, Kalisto gets that lucha thing demolished after sticking his nose in Top Guy business, Rhyno and Mojo are locker room leaders apparently. And the IC title main evented and stole the show, albeit the match was understated spot-wise (probably because they wanted to leave something for 205 Live to wow the fans with later on) but Miz made up for it on Talking Smack. Compare this to RAW usually having one or two segments max that are must-see. I mean this week's RAW was decent but honestly outside the final segment with Goldberg and the boyz and the Zayn/Strowman fca match everything was skippable same old shit.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2017 10:50:04 GMT -5
Well, of course not. The angle's been running one week. Why have a mystery angle if you solve the mystery in one week? And it doesn't matter if they're important developments, the point is they're developments. On Raw it's just match, match, match, match with no actual story progression. I'm not saying I wanted it solved in one week I'm saying if you didn't see that segment of SD this week then you wouldn't have missed anything. Last week La Luchadora interfered and we didn't know who she was. They did the same thing this week. You could say on Raw this week they teased conflict between Owens and Jericho but they've teased it a bajillion times so I wouldn't call it a development. I realise I'm nitpicking and basically arguing for the sake of it cos I'm a jerk. Expect they did further it by establishing that Alexa did know about last week by running interference this week dressed as La Luchadora, saving the mystery woman, establishing their partnership and continuing her feud with Becky. That is storyline progression.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 4, 2017 11:14:21 GMT -5
It was alright.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 4, 2017 11:44:23 GMT -5
Litdown? Is that a Mauro thing? Yes. It was during one of the first Smackdown episodes since the brand split where Mauro said something along the lines of Smackdown being "lit."
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jan 4, 2017 11:48:06 GMT -5
I make a Negative Thread I get shit, I make a Positive Thread I get shit. It's another smooth day for cjb01 on the FAN Proboards I like this thread more then I do having to listen about how everyone hates roman or talking about the Local guy every week your fine dude don't worry about it
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 4, 2017 12:07:53 GMT -5
I'm not saying I wanted it solved in one week I'm saying if you didn't see that segment of SD this week then you wouldn't have missed anything. Last week La Luchadora interfered and we didn't know who she was. They did the same thing this week. You could say on Raw this week they teased conflict between Owens and Jericho but they've teased it a bajillion times so I wouldn't call it a development. I realise I'm nitpicking and basically arguing for the sake of it cos I'm a jerk. Expect they did further it by establishing that Alexa did know about last week by running interference this week dressed as La Luchadora, saving the mystery woman, establishing their partnership and continuing her feud with Becky. That is storyline progression. That's true actually I didn't consider the confirmation of the partnership.
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 4, 2017 14:13:00 GMT -5
AJ Styles is Smackdown. Some would argue Dean is too, and I can see that I guess. But AJ to me is the freakin' man worthy of all his hype. It's been rough on the weeks where he's resting up and only talking, or late last year primarily working with James Ellsworth. I think Smackdown got a raw deal (no pun intended) with the draft. They were put in the position to have to elevate guys like Crews and Corbin who could've used more time in the NXT oven. Then ADR bailed immediately, Cena went to film movies or whatever he was doing, AJ had to take it easy on his ankle, etc. As much as I like the idea of Cesaro/Sheamus, I think this could've been Cesaro's time to rise over on SDL. But alas, it's a decent show that's occasionally a great show that's usually an underwhelming show that gets crazy overhyped no matter what. I agree 100% and would take it even a step further than you did. I think SDL has been pretty bad for the most part. Better than RAW, certainly, but RAW is so god awfully putrid that anything would look great in comparison. The fact is, there's this weird IWC fetish about making Smackdown better than RAW. I think it dates back to the fond memories everyone has of the "Smackdown 6" days. It was apparent that this obsession with Smackdown was real before the draft - when everyone was lobbying for Smackdown to get a better roster than RAW; immediately after the draft - when everyone was whining that Smackdown got shafted; and now ever since the draft - when on a weekly basis we constantly hear overhyping about the mediocre programming on Smackdown. It's really, really strange and I don't get it. People take every opportunity to lambast RAW but constantly gloss over poor creative work and lazy storytelling on Smackdown. WWE programming across the board is in one of its biggest creative lulls of all time, but the television programs are being carried by a select few elite performers (AJ, Miz, Jericho).
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Post by schizo on Jan 4, 2017 14:32:17 GMT -5
AJ Styles is Smackdown. Some would argue Dean is too, and I can see that I guess. But AJ to me is the freakin' man worthy of all his hype. It's been rough on the weeks where he's resting up and only talking, or late last year primarily working with James Ellsworth. I think Smackdown got a raw deal (no pun intended) with the draft. They were put in the position to have to elevate guys like Crews and Corbin who could've used more time in the NXT oven. Then ADR bailed immediately, Cena went to film movies or whatever he was doing, AJ had to take it easy on his ankle, etc. As much as I like the idea of Cesaro/Sheamus, I think this could've been Cesaro's time to rise over on SDL. But alas, it's a decent show that's occasionally a great show that's usually an underwhelming show that gets crazy overhyped no matter what. I agree 100% and would take it even a step further than you did. I think SDL has been pretty bad for the most part. Better than RAW, certainly, but RAW is so god awfully putrid that anything would look great in comparison. The fact is, there's this weird IWC fetish about making Smackdown better than RAW. I think it dates back to the fond memories everyone has of the "Smackdown 6" days. It was apparent that this obsession with Smackdown was real before the draft - when everyone was lobbying for Smackdown to get a better roster than RAW; immediately after the draft - when everyone was whining that Smackdown got shafted; and now ever since the draft - when on a weekly basis we constantly hear overhyping about the mediocre programming on Smackdown. It's really, really strange and I don't get it. People take every opportunity to lambast RAW but constantly gloss over poor creative work and lazy storytelling on Smackdown. WWE programming across the board is in one of its biggest creative lulls of all time, but the television programs are being carried by a select few elite performers (AJ, Miz, Jericho). Because maybe SmackDown really is that good?, there has been some dull episodes, mostly around the built towards TLC, and the fine people here has definally expressed that. But for the most part SDL has been on fire sence the second episode of the split (that first episode was much to desire). They have been great with their storyline and pacing. These last two episodes especially were fantastic
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