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Post by salz4life on Mar 6, 2017 18:43:19 GMT -5
I'm excited b/c I'm going to it and it's my first one. The card could be worse, at least half the roster isn't hurt. If you are actually going to the event..... you are going to have fun regardless. The atmosphere is sick!!!
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Post by rrh on Mar 6, 2017 23:40:55 GMT -5
Bayley vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte Flair and Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens officially confirmed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 1:47:17 GMT -5
Bayley / Charlotte / Sasha would feel like a bigger deal one if every combination of these women hadn't fought 870 times by now, two if most of the matches on the main roster between them weren't mediocre, and three if the exact same triple threat hadn't happened at Clash of Champions a few months ago and mostly been a botchfest.
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Post by msc on Mar 7, 2017 2:40:56 GMT -5
Ah, the newly traditional Sasha v Charlotte v Person triple threat. This year, Bayley is playing the role of Becky Lynch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 3:54:47 GMT -5
Ah Yes, The Instant Classic of Chris Smugicho vs Kevin "Did I leave the oven on?" Owens
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 7, 2017 8:13:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see them having Ambrose off the main card. That ATGMBR is probably gonna be the last thing shown on the pre-show. I see Ambrose/Corbin being like the 3rd match but if it's a street fight then f***, we'll see. We'll see - my thinking was that they'd want something that's a legit draw to be on the pre-show and I feel like they're more concerned with making Strowman look like a monster than giving Corbin a crowning moment. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out either way.
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Post by WinOwensWin on Mar 7, 2017 9:35:53 GMT -5
I know that it's been said numerous times before, but I have to echo it. There is NO REASON why ANYONE should be left off a 5 Hour Wrestlemania card. These guys have worked so hard all year, and to get a blow off match on the preshow is just a travesty. And it looks like the Uso's are going to continue their streak becuase I don't see Usos/AA on the main show sadly.
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 7, 2017 9:46:06 GMT -5
I know that it's been said numerous times before, but I have to echo it. There is NO REASON why ANYONE should be left off a 5 Hour Wrestlemania card. These guys have worked so hard all year, and to get a blow off match on the preshow is just a travesty. And it looks like the Uso's are going to continue their streak becuase I don't see Usos/AA on the main show sadly. I don't think Wrestlemania's main card is usually 5 hours.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 7, 2017 12:06:28 GMT -5
Ah, the newly traditional Sasha v Charlotte v Person triple threat. This year, Bayley is playing the role of Becky Lynch. Kind of tells you the progress of the Raw women's division that after a year and frequent Flair/Banks matches, we're still back to the two of them plus Bayley at Mania again.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 7, 2017 13:46:05 GMT -5
Ah, the newly traditional Sasha v Charlotte v Person triple threat. This year, Bayley is playing the role of Becky Lynch. Kind of tells you the progress of the Raw women's division that after a year and frequent Flair/Banks matches, we're still back to the two of them plus Bayley at Mania again. Was thinking "hey, at least, this exact combination is novel" but it's not even the first time these three have done a triple threat. They just had this exact match 6 months ago at Clash of Champions. I'm liking a look of a lot of the card, despite some minor reservations.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 7, 2017 13:56:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see them having Ambrose off the main card. That ATGMBR is probably gonna be the last thing shown on the pre-show. I see Ambrose/Corbin being like the 3rd match but if it's a street fight then f***, we'll see. We'll see - my thinking was that they'd want something that's a legit draw to be on the pre-show and I feel like they're more concerned with making Strowman look like a monster than giving Corbin a crowning moment. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out either way. I think both the ATGMBR and Ambrose/Corbin will be on the main card for the reasons both of you gave. They're going to want Strowman's big win on the main show and Ambrose being put on the pre show does seem a little hard to believe. Ambrose/Corbin really does seem like the prototype second or third WrestleMania match just going off history of what they've done in recent years. I mean I guess it's a possibility it could get bumped to the pre show especially if they have their usual time issues with getting on everyone on (how this is a problem with a 4 hour show I have no idea) but I just think they see Ambrose as too big of a star and too big of a priority still for that. If it was something like Corbin against someone a notch or two below in the pecking order like a Ziggler or a Zayn then I would definitely see something like that getting the shaft and getting put on the pre show but with Ambrose who was recently just champion and viewed as a top guy I just have a tougher time seeing it. Usos/Alpha, Raw triple threat tag, and whatever the Smackdown womens match is are most likely what's going to end up on the pre show. Just looking at who their top priorities and how they view everyone, I just see those getting the shaft because those are the only matches that don't have someone that's either a legend or someone that's positioned as a star high on the card that they've been pushing super hard. Sheamus used to be held in that regard but over the last year he's been positioned more of a midcard type guy and not as much of a priority that they would make sure to get on for sure like he used to be in years past.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 7, 2017 15:21:09 GMT -5
We'll see - my thinking was that they'd want something that's a legit draw to be on the pre-show and I feel like they're more concerned with making Strowman look like a monster than giving Corbin a crowning moment. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out either way. I think both the ATGMBR and Ambrose/Corbin will be on the main card for the reasons both of you gave. They're going to want Strowman's big win on the main show and Ambrose being put on the pre show does seem a little hard to believe. Ambrose/Corbin really does seem like the prototype second or third WrestleMania match just going off history of what they've done in recent years. I mean I guess it's a possibility it could get bumped to the pre show especially if they have their usual time issues with getting on everyone on (how this is a problem with a 4 hour show I have no idea) but I just think they see Ambrose as too big of a star and too big of a priority still for that. If it was something like Corbin against someone a notch or two below in the pecking order like a Ziggler or a Zayn then I would definitely see something like that getting the shaft and getting put on the pre show but with Ambrose who was recently just champion and viewed as a top guy I just have a tougher time seeing it. Usos/Alpha, Raw triple threat tag, and whatever the Smackdown womens match is are most likely what's going to end up on the pre show. Just looking at who their top priorities and how they view everyone, I just see those getting the shaft because those are the only matches that don't have someone that's either a legend or someone that's positioned as a star high on the card that they've been pushing super hard. Sheamus used to be held in that regard but over the last year he's been positioned more of a midcard type guy and not as much of a priority that they would make sure to get on for sure like he used to be in years past. Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 7, 2017 15:27:58 GMT -5
I think both the ATGMBR and Ambrose/Corbin will be on the main card for the reasons both of you gave. They're going to want Strowman's big win on the main show and Ambrose being put on the pre show does seem a little hard to believe. Ambrose/Corbin really does seem like the prototype second or third WrestleMania match just going off history of what they've done in recent years. I mean I guess it's a possibility it could get bumped to the pre show especially if they have their usual time issues with getting on everyone on (how this is a problem with a 4 hour show I have no idea) but I just think they see Ambrose as too big of a star and too big of a priority still for that. If it was something like Corbin against someone a notch or two below in the pecking order like a Ziggler or a Zayn then I would definitely see something like that getting the shaft and getting put on the pre show but with Ambrose who was recently just champion and viewed as a top guy I just have a tougher time seeing it. Usos/Alpha, Raw triple threat tag, and whatever the Smackdown womens match is are most likely what's going to end up on the pre show. Just looking at who their top priorities and how they view everyone, I just see those getting the shaft because those are the only matches that don't have someone that's either a legend or someone that's positioned as a star high on the card that they've been pushing super hard. Sheamus used to be held in that regard but over the last year he's been positioned more of a midcard type guy and not as much of a priority that they would make sure to get on for sure like he used to be in years past. Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania. I think people like Kalisto and Ryback last year would disagree with you given that they performed in front of a near-empty stadium due to issues with folks getting in the room.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 7, 2017 15:41:30 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania. I think people like Kalisto and Ryback last year would disagree with you given that they performed in front of a near-empty stadium due to issues with folks getting in the room. Well, that happened last year. Hopefully, they let people in the building before the Pre-Show starts this year. That wasn't WWE 's fault. It was the stadium's fault.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 7, 2017 15:44:36 GMT -5
I think both the ATGMBR and Ambrose/Corbin will be on the main card for the reasons both of you gave. They're going to want Strowman's big win on the main show and Ambrose being put on the pre show does seem a little hard to believe. Ambrose/Corbin really does seem like the prototype second or third WrestleMania match just going off history of what they've done in recent years. I mean I guess it's a possibility it could get bumped to the pre show especially if they have their usual time issues with getting on everyone on (how this is a problem with a 4 hour show I have no idea) but I just think they see Ambrose as too big of a star and too big of a priority still for that. If it was something like Corbin against someone a notch or two below in the pecking order like a Ziggler or a Zayn then I would definitely see something like that getting the shaft and getting put on the pre show but with Ambrose who was recently just champion and viewed as a top guy I just have a tougher time seeing it. Usos/Alpha, Raw triple threat tag, and whatever the Smackdown womens match is are most likely what's going to end up on the pre show. Just looking at who their top priorities and how they view everyone, I just see those getting the shaft because those are the only matches that don't have someone that's either a legend or someone that's positioned as a star high on the card that they've been pushing super hard. Sheamus used to be held in that regard but over the last year he's been positioned more of a midcard type guy and not as much of a priority that they would make sure to get on for sure like he used to be in years past. Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania. From interviews I've heard, Ryback being one, that's not the case at all. Even with the network the wrestlers still consider it a slight and are annoyed when they're on the pre show. Apparently the Powers That Be try to put it off like you did and say it's just the same, but to me that's obvious just a way to make the grass seem greener then it is and prevent any rocking of the boat. If it didn't matter then how come none of the top guys are never on the pre show? It's always the least promoted and least built up matches. That includes last years WrestleMania. The three pre show matches were the three lowest matches on the totem pole in the ten women tag, Ryback/Kalisto, and Usos/Dudleys. None of the people in any of those matches were getting any kind of substantial push at the time or were anyone they really cared about that much other then maybe Brie Bella but even then she's still the lesser pushed Bella Twin and it was pretty much just the other women's match on the card with the more important triple threat title match being presented as one of the main matches on the show.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 7, 2017 16:14:58 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania. From interviews I've heard, Ryback being one, that's not the case at all. Even with the network the wrestlers still consider it a slight and are annoyed when they're on the pre show. Apparently the Powers That Be try to put it off like you did and say it's just the same, but to me that's obvious just a way to make the grass seem greener then it is and prevent any rocking of the boat. If it didn't matter then how come none of the top guys are never on the pre show? It's always the least promoted and least built up matches. That includes last years WrestleMania. The three pre show matches were the three lowest matches on the totem pole in the ten women tag, Ryback/Kalisto, and Usos/Dudleys. None of the people in any of those matches were getting any kind of substantial push at the time or were anyone they really cared about that much other then maybe Brie Bella but even then she's still the lesser pushed Bella Twin and it was pretty much just the other women's match on the card with the more important triple threat title match being presented as one of the main matches on the show. You make great points and I get where you are coming from. And I understand the wrestlers' point of view. But, if I was a wrestler, I would be happy no matter what, as long as I'm part of the show, I would be happy.
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Post by froggyfrog on Mar 7, 2017 17:34:04 GMT -5
I think both the ATGMBR and Ambrose/Corbin will be on the main card for the reasons both of you gave. They're going to want Strowman's big win on the main show and Ambrose being put on the pre show does seem a little hard to believe. Ambrose/Corbin really does seem like the prototype second or third WrestleMania match just going off history of what they've done in recent years. I mean I guess it's a possibility it could get bumped to the pre show especially if they have their usual time issues with getting on everyone on (how this is a problem with a 4 hour show I have no idea) but I just think they see Ambrose as too big of a star and too big of a priority still for that. If it was something like Corbin against someone a notch or two below in the pecking order like a Ziggler or a Zayn then I would definitely see something like that getting the shaft and getting put on the pre show but with Ambrose who was recently just champion and viewed as a top guy I just have a tougher time seeing it. Usos/Alpha, Raw triple threat tag, and whatever the Smackdown womens match is are most likely what's going to end up on the pre show. Just looking at who their top priorities and how they view everyone, I just see those getting the shaft because those are the only matches that don't have someone that's either a legend or someone that's positioned as a star high on the card that they've been pushing super hard. Sheamus used to be held in that regard but over the last year he's been positioned more of a midcard type guy and not as much of a priority that they would make sure to get on for sure like he used to be in years past. Does it really matter if it's on the pre-show or the main show? It's still WrestleMania. The entire thing is on the Network, so to me there's no difference. They're performing in front of the same crowd, walking down the same ramp, & wrestling in the same ring. I don't think the wrestlers care if they are on the pre-show or the main show. They're still happy to perform at Mania. No way, of course it matters. If I order the PPV traditionally, I'm only getting what's on the main show. Lance Storm has talked about how pissed he was getting bumped off Mania 19 to be put on Heat, so no the wrestlers are not just happy to be on the card at all. The building is empty af during the preshow. The show is advertised to start at 7, so everything before then is not technically on the show. The Usos have been on the card p much every year and they've yet to make their Mania debut. Performing "at" Mania and being on Mania are not the same thing. I'm very passionate about pre-show not counting
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Post by Manute Bol on Mar 7, 2017 18:41:47 GMT -5
So is this the likely card?
RAW (8): Universal Champion Bill Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar The Undertaker vs. Roman Reigns Seth Rollins vs. Triple H United States Champion Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens Women's Champion Bayley vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte (vs. Nia Jax?) The Big Show vs. Shaquille O'Neal Enzo & Big Cass vs. Sheamus & Cesaro vs. Tag Team Champions Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows Austin Aries vs. Cruiserweight Champion Neville
Smackdown (5): Randy Orton vs. WWE Champion Bray Wyatt John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse Shane McMahon vs. A.J. Styles Intercontinental Champion Dean Ambrose vs. Baron Corbin Women's Champion Alexa Bliss vs. "every available female"
Interbrand (1): Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal (ft/ Apollo Crews, Braun Strowman, Dolph Ziggler, Kalisto, Kane, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Rusev, Sami Zayn, Samoa Joe, etc.)
That's a 14-match show right there and that's not counting other potential matches like American Alpha/Usos, Akira Tozawa/Brian Kendrick, a multi-man Cruiserweight match, or something thrown together with a combination Balor/Joe/Zayn. Regardless of what happens, it's going to be a looooong show.
And if there was any ever doubt as to which is the "A-Show", I think this distribution of matches says it all!
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Post by WinOwensWin on Mar 7, 2017 21:41:17 GMT -5
So is this the likely card? RAW (8): And if there was any ever doubt as to which is the "A-Show", I think this distribution of matches says it all! Wrestlemania being RAW heavy is a bit deceiving though. 3 of the 8 matches feature part times (Rollins/HHH most likely just being a segment). So that leaves us with 5 to 4, which is much more balanced.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 7, 2017 23:08:26 GMT -5
Finally updated the front page. I feel like such a loser for enjoying the coding.
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