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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 23, 2017 2:53:50 GMT -5
People always mention Hogan thinking going to the WWF in 97. Can you imagine? Depending on the timing he could've killed off DX, Rock, Austin and Bret Hart (earlier)
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 24, 2017 2:15:02 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I went on a WCW watching binge and to be fair to WCW they handled Hogan's debut perfectly. But after that oh boy did his pre NWO run become brutal to watch, as it was like everything that had become stale with Hogan during the final years of his WWE run was given a massive shot of horse steroids.
That and Ed Leslie should be eternally thankful that Hogan was to convince Eric Bischoff to give him a job as not did he and million different gimmicks suck, He had no business heading Starrcade whatsoever.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 24, 2017 5:31:30 GMT -5
I've never understood being "allowed" to have certain ppvs off. I mean, if you are a pro wrestler, why wouldn't you want a ppv payday? His contract was crazy because even not on it, he STILL got paid. Hogan deal was one of those deals that they was going to give him anything he wanted to sign with WCW.
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Post by BigAl on Feb 24, 2017 8:12:00 GMT -5
well werent most of the Dungeon members Hogans cronies and since nobody in WCW wanted to job to Hogan on nitro, they existed?
guys like BIG BOSSMAN, ONE MAN GANG, KAMALA, EARTHQUAKE, etc.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 24, 2017 8:13:06 GMT -5
People always mention Hogan thinking going to the WWF in 97. Can you imagine? Depending on the timing he could've killed off DX, Rock, Austin and Bret Hart (earlier) The timing would have been killer had Hogan said yes because it was all happening around the time of Survivor Series 1997. Imagine Vince telling Bret he can no longer afford to honour the 20 year deal he struck and pushing ahead with Montreal, and two weeks later announcing that he'd signed Hulk Hogan from WCW... If he thought the rebellion he got over Montreal was bad, that would have left to outright mutiny, even Shawn and Hunter would start to side with Bret because Hogan would kill both of their main event pushes dead and be paid 5 times the money to do so.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 24, 2017 8:53:52 GMT -5
well werent most of the Dungeon members Hogans cronies and since nobody in WCW wanted to job to Hogan on nitro, they existed? guys like BIG BOSSMAN, ONE MAN GANG, KAMALA, EARTHQUAKE, etc. If so, it's a bit ironic since Kamala quit to avoid jobbing to Randy Savage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 9:00:32 GMT -5
And Bossman had been with the company for almost a year before Hogan showed up. And joined the group when Hogan was going on hiatus in 1996.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 24, 2017 9:26:01 GMT -5
If you're a fan of OSW, they did an entire series on the Hogan/Dungeon of Doom stuff that is top notch.
They also rip apart the Starrcade show that had Hogan vs. his best friend. I believe it falls in the same timeline. I binged them all one day so I can't remember.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 24, 2017 9:40:34 GMT -5
People always mention Hogan thinking going to the WWF in 97. Can you imagine? Depending on the timing he could've killed off DX, Rock, Austin and Bret Hart (earlier) Hogan had control and power, but he never would have killed off all of the guys under Vince.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 24, 2017 10:22:51 GMT -5
If you're a fan of OSW, they did an entire series on the Hogan/Dungeon of Doom stuff that is top notch. They also rip apart the Starrcade show that had Hogan vs. his best friend. I believe it falls in the same timeline. I binged them all one day so I can't remember. Starrcade was 1994, the other Dungeon of Doom stuff was late 95/early 96. Ridiculous how long that stuff went on for.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 24, 2017 11:04:06 GMT -5
People always mention Hogan thinking going to the WWF in 97. Can you imagine? Depending on the timing he could've killed off DX, Rock, Austin and Bret Hart (earlier) Hogan had control and power, but he never would have killed off all of the guys under Vince. He would have found ways to undermine them because that's what he did, he did it with Savage, he did it with Bret, he did it with Warrior and Goldberg by using his clout to ensure his programs would get top billing while they were champions, leaving them looking like second tier stars, he tried to harm 'Taker's push with the neck injury BS, he did it with Luger with the under a week title reign, he did it to Sting with Starrcade, he even did it Nash by painting him into a corner via creative control where he was jobbing to Hogan no matter what and killed the Wolfpac as a face faction dead so he could be with the cool guys once more, oh and he killed Bret's push backstage... again. Guy is a snakeoil salesman, he would have found a way to paint Austin as not being ready and Shawn, well, we saw what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object years later, the immovable object lays down for the three count after being an arse in the ring.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 24, 2017 22:08:20 GMT -5
If you're a fan of OSW, they did an entire series on the Hogan/Dungeon of Doom stuff that is top notch. They also rip apart the Starrcade show that had Hogan vs. his best friend. I believe it falls in the same timeline. I binged them all one day so I can't remember. Starrcade was 1994, the other Dungeon of Doom stuff was late 95/early 96. Ridiculous how long that stuff went on for. Holy crap I didn't realize it went on that freaking long.
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Post by somsta on Feb 24, 2017 23:09:32 GMT -5
Starrcade was 1994, the other Dungeon of Doom stuff was late 95/early 96. Ridiculous how long that stuff went on for. Holy crap I didn't realize it went on that freaking long. Crazy to think that the main event of Hog Wild in 1996 was nWo vs the freaking Dungeon of Doom.
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Post by wwefan71080 on Feb 25, 2017 0:04:07 GMT -5
The fact that the dungeon of doom vs Hogan thing went from December 1994 to August 1996 is just insane and it should have ended long before that
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Post by madness50 on Feb 25, 2017 1:37:54 GMT -5
The fact that the dungeon of doom vs Hogan thing went from December 1994 to August 1996 is just insane and it should have ended long before that What's crazy is that the angle first started after the Hogan/Flair cage match ended at Halloween Havoc 1994. It took nearly two years exactly to end that feud lol.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2017 1:45:27 GMT -5
There was a time when Ed Leslie was over, so I get well enough why they hired him. Give Hogan his buddy who has had some success in the past, fair enough, but headlining Starrcade and the revolving door gimmicks were just asinine.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 25, 2017 5:37:33 GMT -5
There was a time when Ed Leslie was over, so I get well enough why they hired him. Give Hogan his buddy who has had some success in the past, fair enough, but headlining Starrcade and the revolving door gimmicks were just asinine. Well Eric Bischoff has himself admitted that he thought Ed Leslie was terrible and only hired him as a favor to Hogan But that does say that without a pair of giant barber scissors he really sucked.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2017 5:43:13 GMT -5
There was a time when Ed Leslie was over, so I get well enough why they hired him. Give Hogan his buddy who has had some success in the past, fair enough, but headlining Starrcade and the revolving door gimmicks were just asinine. Well Eric Bischoff has himself admitted that he thought Ed Leslie was terrible and only hired him as a favor to Hogan But that does say that without a pair of giant barber scissors he really sucked. I think Bischoff often says things to downplay f*** ups on his part, or to distance himself from unpopular ideas, but this is a case where I can see it as plausible. The timing didn't quite line up, but it'd have been kinda interesting if we had been given a Cactus Jack match with Hogan. Obviously, no way Hogan would take the elbow on the outside, nor would I blame him for shooting that down, but I could see a match between them being decent.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 25, 2017 5:51:17 GMT -5
Starrcade was 1994, the other Dungeon of Doom stuff was late 95/early 96. Ridiculous how long that stuff went on for. Holy crap I didn't realize it went on that freaking long. The Dungeon of Doom itself started some time in mid-1995, but was an off-shoot of the Three Faces of Fear stable that comprised of Sullivan, The Butcher (Beefcake), and Avalanche (Earthquake). That stable ended up doing some pretty ridiculous stuff in its own right, like having Macho Man harnessing Hogan's power of no-selling by hitting the Flying Elbow on the Hulkster. And then it ended with Sullivan attacking Butcher so bad he became amnesiac, prompting the Man With No Face Gimmick, before just showing back up later as The Zodiac for the Dungeon angle.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Feb 25, 2017 5:59:14 GMT -5
Well Eric Bischoff has himself admitted that he thought Ed Leslie was terrible and only hired him as a favor to Hogan But that does say that without a pair of giant barber scissors he really sucked. I think Bischoff often says things to downplay f*** ups on his part, or to distance himself from unpopular ideas, but this is a case where I can see it as plausible. Yeah I do think that Bischoff is being honest here as saw Hogan as WCW's meal ticket and was willing to do almost anything to keep him happy. Hell I'm sure if Hogan told him to blow him right there on the spot and in front of the boys he would of done it.
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