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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 21, 2017 13:24:40 GMT -5
Angelo Mosca Jr Capt Ed George (son of the original Sheik) Erik Watts Scott Putski Sid Vicious' kid El Hijo del Santo (yeah, he did good, but, well his dad was EL SANTO) David Flair Sim and Tamina Snuka Scott and Steve Armstrong (Brad probably ties their dad and Brian/Road Dogg arguably surpassed him) Mike and Chris Von Erich Nick Patrick Scott Hall's kid Chavo Guerrero Jr Tiger Ali Singh Prince Iaukea (NOT the WCW one, the first one and legit blood to King Curtis) Greg Valentine Kendall Windham Joe Malenko most of the Hart brothers not named Owen or Bret several of the Anoa'i offspring Bobby Duncum Jr Honestly, about 90% of the literal now-hundreds of 2nd gen workers never made it to the level their dads did. Idk if I agree about Greg Valentine. More people know him than his dad I would imagine It depends. If the threshold is "more people know" then Greg Valentine has the advantage due to him being more recent and wrestling in WWF during the national expansion boom of Hulkamania, Saturday Night's Main Event, PPVs, and WrestleMania. In this way, more people today would know him. He wasn't a headlining top draw that his father was in the 1960s and 1970s. Johnny had the type of career and importance that led him to being inducted into just about every pro wrestling Hall of Fame, except the one that his son Greg was inducted into, the WWE Hall of Fame. Greg had the type of career that gets you into the WWE Hall of Fame.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2017 13:32:42 GMT -5
Idk if I agree about Greg Valentine. More people know him than his dad I would imagine It depends. If the threshold is "more people know" then Greg Valentine has the advantage due to him being more recent and wrestling in WWF during the national expansion boom of Hulkamania, Saturday Night's Main Event, PPVs, and WrestleMania. In this way, more people today would know him. He wasn't a headlining top draw that his father was in the 1960s and 1970s. Johnny had the type of career and importance that led him to being inducted into just about every pro wrestling Hall of Fame, except the one that his son Greg was inducted into, the WWE Hall of Fame. Greg had the type of career that gets you into the WWE Hall of Fame. and with the "legacy" inductees I wouldn't be surprised if Johnny gets into the WWE Hall of Fame edit: Johnny not Jimmy ... the hell is wrong with me...
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 21, 2017 13:47:18 GMT -5
About the Armstrongs, Bob was at times the top face in Georgia, Alabama, and east Tennessee. I don't know that I would put Brad ahead of him, and I'm a fan of the guy.
As for Road Dogg, it depends on how you look at it. Being more recent and on WWF TV during a boom period helps his case. On the other hand, he was never a headliner.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 21, 2017 13:51:40 GMT -5
I only mentioned Scott and Steve Armstrong, but if I'm honest I should have included Brad as well. Brian had so much fame as Road Dogg with DX and being part of the Attitude Era that I wouldn't include him.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Feb 21, 2017 14:17:08 GMT -5
Garrett Bischoff. Eric wasn't a wrestler, but he had a pretty successful run in the business.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 21, 2017 14:21:27 GMT -5
At a certain point we run into the issue that the business has changed so much in the past 30 years. So hypothetically is someone who made national TV more or less sucessful then somone who headlined in one or two territories?
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Post by Clawley Race on Feb 21, 2017 15:24:37 GMT -5
That also leads to other cases where on paper, they SHOULD be living up to it, but for reasons outside of any possibility they never will. That list pretty much only consists of Charlotte- getting a historically huge push to begin her career, getting a huge push as a star, objectively being given every opportunity to be THE WOMAN in WWE and be the core female superstar they have...but solely due to being a woman and the women's title just not being on the same level as a men's World Title, it's virtually impossible to outdo Naitch. It seems that WWE is taking their women's division more seriously these days than before. I wonder if there would maybe be women's tag titles in the future. Anyway, on the subject, I wonder how far Reid could have gone had he lived. Do you think he would have been given a fair shot in WWE? Are you asking if they'd be......fair to Flair?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2017 15:39:24 GMT -5
Ted DiBiase Jr. In fairness he seemed to want to get out the wrestling life and once he did he never looked back Brian Lawler as mentioned could never escape his fathers shadow Ted Jr had his first match back about a month ago at a Pro Wrestling EGO show. Talked to the promoter of EGO not long after the show and he strongly hinted that Ted Jr is gonna keep on working 3 or 4 matches a year. But mostly for feds in MS or LA. One name I haven't seen mentioned yet is Dirty Andy Dalton. He is the son of Frank Dalton. Frank was a huge star back in the 70s. But Andy ,sadly,seems to be only known to a small set of fans of Texas/Deep South indies. Oh really? Good for Ted for coming back and staying local
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 21, 2017 15:39:53 GMT -5
Has anybody said Buff and Judy yet?
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 21, 2017 15:43:59 GMT -5
At a certain point we run into the issue that the business has changed so much in the past 30 years. So hypothetically is someone who made national TV more or less sucessful then somone who headlined in one or two territories? That's why I'm trying to focus on the things that can't be taken away as much. For two examples said... If a territorial star was the champ in that territory and their offspring was just a midcarder- like Road Dogg, then it's obvious Brian wasn't as good as Bob. If someone was a territorial top champ, like Larry Hennig, and Curt then won a national World Title...that is more on the side of Curt.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 21, 2017 17:45:23 GMT -5
Ted Jr had his first match back about a month ago at a Pro Wrestling EGO show. Talked to the promoter of EGO not long after the show and he strongly hinted that Ted Jr is gonna keep on working 3 or 4 matches a year. But mostly for feds in MS or LA. One name I haven't seen mentioned yet is Dirty Andy Dalton. He is the son of Frank Dalton. Frank was a huge star back in the 70s. But Andy ,sadly,seems to be only known to a small set of fans of Texas/Deep South indies. Oh really? Good for Ted for coming back and staying local About 4 years ago Ted Jr was at a Powerslam show in Picayune MS. Was commissioner for the night.The show was being co-promoted with Ted Sr's wrestling/religion group. So before intermission Ted Jr got on the mic and explained why he quit wrestling. "I started falling into the same trap my dad did. I was drinking and taking pills. At first to sleep and deal with the pain. Then it became more booze and more pills each day. So I got out before my issues got too bad." Pro Wrestling EGO is also where the youngest Dibiase,Brett,has most of his matches now. Both Ted Jr and Brett work with their dad's church group full time and wrestle for fun. Hopefully one day I will get to meet Mike. He is the only member of that family I haven't gotten to meet so far. But I doubt I will meet Mike anytime soon. Pretty sure he still has at least 8 more years before he gets out of the pen.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2017 17:49:57 GMT -5
Oh really? Good for Ted for coming back and staying local About 4 years ago Ted Jr was at a Powerslam show in Picayune MS. Was commissioner for the night.The show was being co-promoted with Ted Sr's wrestling/religion group. So before intermission Ted Jr got on the mic and explained why he quit wrestling. "I started falling into the same trap my dad did. I was drinking and taking pills. At first to sleep and deal with the pain. Then it became more booze and more pills each day. So I got out before my issues got too bad." Pro Wrestling EGO is also where the youngest Dibiase,Brett,has most of his matches now. Both Ted Jr and Brett work with their dad's church group full time and wrestle for fun. Hopefully one day I will get to meet Mike. He is the only member of that family I haven't gotten to meet so far. But I doubt I will meet Mike anytime soon. Pretty sure he still has at least 8 more years before he gets out of the pen. Didn't Brett work for WWE too? And good for Ted Jr that he has found solace in his life after some events he had to get through.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 21, 2017 17:58:30 GMT -5
About 4 years ago Ted Jr was at a Powerslam show in Picayune MS. Was commissioner for the night.The show was being co-promoted with Ted Sr's wrestling/religion group. So before intermission Ted Jr got on the mic and explained why he quit wrestling. "I started falling into the same trap my dad did. I was drinking and taking pills. At first to sleep and deal with the pain. Then it became more booze and more pills each day. So I got out before my issues got too bad." Pro Wrestling EGO is also where the youngest Dibiase,Brett,has most of his matches now. Both Ted Jr and Brett work with their dad's church group full time and wrestle for fun. Hopefully one day I will get to meet Mike. He is the only member of that family I haven't gotten to meet so far. But I doubt I will meet Mike anytime soon. Pretty sure he still has at least 8 more years before he gets out of the pen. Didn't Brett work for WWE too? And good for Ted Jr that he has found solace in his life after some events he had to get through. ASFAIK Brett never worked for WWE. Pretty sure Mike had a stint in developmental. If Brett did it wasn't for long.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2017 18:00:07 GMT -5
Didn't Brett work for WWE too? And good for Ted Jr that he has found solace in his life after some events he had to get through. ASFAIK Brett never worked for WWE. Pretty sure Mike had a stint in developmental. If Brett did it wasn't for long. Okay so I might be thinking of Mike when Ted had the fortunate sons team.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2017 18:07:08 GMT -5
Brett did work for the WWE from 2008-2011. Brett was the one that ran in to help Orton in a Cena vs. Orton match where Legacy was banned from ringside. and Brett and Curtis Axel were the Fortunate Sons in FCW. Mike has never worked for the WWE.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Feb 21, 2017 18:20:02 GMT -5
Kevin's sons Ross and Marshall Von Erich....appeared once on a TNA pay per view, and I have not seen or heard from them since.
Seems like they are still training or taking shindy bookings here or in Japan from what I've heard, but I seriously doubt they'll ever escape the shadow of their dad, uncles, or grandfather.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 21, 2017 19:01:05 GMT -5
Well, he wasn't a wrestler. As a referee, he couldn't have gone much further. He refereed a lot of really big matches in the top promotion. Earl Hebner did become the top referee not long after he joined WWE, but Marella was still one of the top referees there for years. That idiot Marella could barely count to 3.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 21, 2017 20:56:55 GMT -5
Idk if I agree about Greg Valentine. More people know him than his dad I would imagine It's debatable for sure - Johnny was about as big as someone could get during the '60s without being NWA champ. Main eventer everywhere, something Greg never quite accomplished. Very similar to the Ivan Koloff/George Steele debate I had with someone in one of their RIP threads. Johnny won more regional heavyweight titles than Greg, had a much longer presence in the spotlight of his time (about 15 years, and a good part of it was during the Golden Age, when the shows he was on were broadcast nationwide alongside Gorgeous George and the like, before the truly regional territory system came into play). Greg certainly had much wider exposure for a briefer time of 3-5 years, but was already working his way down the card by that point, stuck in a tag team and then becoming a JTTS.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 21, 2017 21:03:15 GMT -5
I only mentioned Scott and Steve Armstrong, but if I'm honest I should have included Brad as well. Brian had so much fame as Road Dogg with DX and being part of the Attitude Era that I wouldn't include him. We're not comparing Brad to Brian, just both of them to their father Bob. People forget that Brad once had enough going for him that he was crowned Mid-South champ. The thing about Brian/Road Dogg is that we're talking successful and that means a lot of things to different people. But he was a major player, if never a main eventer, during the third biggest peak of the business (the Attitude Era) and it can even be argued that his membership in DX, which *was* a main event stable puts him above even Bob. If we're talking "success = how much money they made" then he probably easily beats his dad and brothers combined.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 21, 2017 21:30:10 GMT -5
I only mentioned Scott and Steve Armstrong, but if I'm honest I should have included Brad as well. Brian had so much fame as Road Dogg with DX and being part of the Attitude Era that I wouldn't include him. We're not comparing Brad to Brian, just both of them to their father Bob. People forget that Brad once had enough going for him that he was crowned Mid-South champ. The thing about Brian/Road Dogg is that we're talking successful and that means a lot of things to different people. But he was a major player, if never a main eventer, during the third biggest peak of the business (the Attitude Era) and it can even be argued that his membership in DX, which *was* a main event stable puts him above even Bob. If we're talking "success = how much money they made" then he probably easily beats his dad and brothers combined. I know. I'm saying Brian's the only son that I wouldn't include in a list like this. None of Bullet Bob's other sons really had the same success he did. I initially only mentioned Scott and Steve, but I think you really have to include Brad as well.
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