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Post by romanstylesiii on Feb 21, 2017 3:40:49 GMT -5
The guy can talk, but he makes at least one botch every match. Why did they call him up before he was ready?
Also, why is Jinder Mahal there? He does not deserve his own thread, but the question needs to be asked.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2017 3:46:51 GMT -5
He is good at getting uppercutted into the stratosphere, so there's that, but they did call them up too early.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 21, 2017 6:02:56 GMT -5
If anyone else were running developmental, Enzo's lack of ability after three years of training would get some serious questions asked, but since the guy is a Triple H signing and one of the few guys he actively selected himself they'll keep looking the other way.
He's not a Diva search contestant learning on the job, he's been in the system long enough for it to be fair to say that he absolutely should be better than he is.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 21, 2017 6:14:45 GMT -5
Enzo was called up because the act was ready for the main roster to print loads of money with Certified G t-shirts, even though the wrestler is garbage.
That being said, they really need to protect the guy because he's not good for much else besides talking and being a punching bag. Big Cass isn't great either, but he has the basics, and should be doing pretty much anything complicated in the ring.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 21, 2017 6:22:43 GMT -5
If anyone else were running developmental, Enzo's lack of ability after three years of training would get some serious questions asked, but since the guy is a Triple H signing and one of the few guys he actively selected himself they'll keep looking the other way. He's not a Diva search contestant learning on the job, he's been in the system long enough for it to be fair to say that he absolutely should be better than he is. There's that, but I think a bigger point is how much he has the crowd eating out of his hand, and I guess we've seen that they indeed can't teach that.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 21, 2017 6:22:58 GMT -5
Enzo was called up because the act was ready for the main roster to print loads of money with Certified G t-shirts, even though the wrestler is garbage. This is a major reason. Every show I goto I am seeing more and more Certified G shirts. Last show there was more of them than any other WWE Shirt. Really Enzo and Cass are the new New Age Outlaws. Enzo is good on the mic,like Road Dogg,but in ring is is below average. Cass is the next Billy Gunn. Even the crowd reacts to them like they did the NAO. The crowd loves to say their catchphrases,which to me were worn out long before they left NXT.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 21, 2017 7:37:21 GMT -5
If anyone else were running developmental, Enzo's lack of ability after three years of training would get some serious questions asked, but since the guy is a Triple H signing and one of the few guys he actively selected himself they'll keep looking the other way. He's not a Diva search contestant learning on the job, he's been in the system long enough for it to be fair to say that he absolutely should be better than he is. I really don't think he's anywhere in the upper tier of Triple H's "boys" just for being someone Triple H signed. I think what's protecting him is the fact tht he might not be good at all, but since early on in developmental he'd managed to get mega over, and it's an act that translated so well to the main roster that now they're selling good merch numbers and unless his crowd approval tanks for one reason or another I see him being protected just by the fact he's managed to get over in spite of his failings, gaping as they may be. You may be looking a bit too deep into this; sometimes, someone is safe just for being over, not because of nepotism.
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Post by chronocross on Feb 21, 2017 7:46:42 GMT -5
He definitely needs work in the ring, but he's over on the mic and his merchandise sells and I'm sure they'll ride that train until the wheels fall off. I was in San Antonio for the Rumble and all throughout the day on various tours I went on, I saw folks with the Certified G T-shirts.
I can see him and Big Cass winning the tag belts, but not holding onto them very long, maybe a month at best.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 21, 2017 7:55:02 GMT -5
If anyone else were running developmental, Enzo's lack of ability after three years of training would get some serious questions asked, but since the guy is a Triple H signing and one of the few guys he actively selected himself they'll keep looking the other way. He's not a Diva search contestant learning on the job, he's been in the system long enough for it to be fair to say that he absolutely should be better than he is. I really don't think he's anywhere in the upper tier of Triple H's "boys" just for being someone Triple H signed. I think what's protecting him is the fact tht he might not be good at all, but since early on in developmental he'd managed to get mega over, and it's an act that translated so well to the main roster that now they're selling good merch numbers and unless his crowd approval tanks for one reason or another I see him being protected just by the fact he's managed to get over in spite of his failings, gaping as they may be. You may be looking a bit too deep into this; sometimes, someone is safe just for being over, not because of nepotism. While I don't think he's one of Triple H's 'boys' per se, he's someone he discovered and personally signed, and has only been trained by developmental under the NXT umbrella so his lack of progress as an in-ring performer is a negative reflection on how he's running things. If he were discovered and trained in OVW, FCW or DSW and were this bad in the ring, Vince would be yelling at everyone involved for sending him up unable to work an adequate match with people who are good hands in the ring but Enzo's undeniable suckiness as an in-ring talent won't have any repercussions for the current developmental system.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 21, 2017 8:27:45 GMT -5
It is interesting, its not like he was ever a good wrestler, but he's regressing, not progressing.
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Post by Rican on Feb 21, 2017 8:35:47 GMT -5
If anyone else were running developmental, Enzo's lack of ability after three years of training would get some serious questions asked, but since the guy is a Triple H signing and one of the few guys he actively selected himself they'll keep looking the other way. He's not a Diva search contestant learning on the job, he's been in the system long enough for it to be fair to say that he absolutely should be better than he is. Hey, Hunter has his hands full! Those pictures of him shaking hands with new champs/new signings aren't gonna take themselves!
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Feb 21, 2017 8:42:42 GMT -5
The guy runs the ropes worse than Velvet Sky.
Yeah. I went there.
Remember when he concussed himself and everyone blamed Gotch? Nah, that was all 'Zo's fault. I said it then, and he continues to prove me right.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 21, 2017 10:35:12 GMT -5
Yeah he's terrible in the ring... but he is over as f***... which is kinda the main point of being a wrestler...
and they'd be a fool to not be capitalizing on him to sell t-shirts and other merch like they are...
sticking him in NXT until he finished learning the ropes he may have cooled off by then and not work on the main roster.
As for how long he could possibly coast on doing his catchphrases... as I said earlier Road Dogg pretty much made his career on spouting catchphrases.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 21, 2017 10:41:22 GMT -5
I really don't think he's anywhere in the upper tier of Triple H's "boys" just for being someone Triple H signed. I think what's protecting him is the fact tht he might not be good at all, but since early on in developmental he'd managed to get mega over, and it's an act that translated so well to the main roster that now they're selling good merch numbers and unless his crowd approval tanks for one reason or another I see him being protected just by the fact he's managed to get over in spite of his failings, gaping as they may be. You may be looking a bit too deep into this; sometimes, someone is safe just for being over, not because of nepotism. While I don't think he's one of Triple H's 'boys' per se, he's someone he discovered and personally signed, and has only been trained by developmental under the NXT umbrella so his lack of progress as an in-ring performer is a negative reflection on how he's running things. If he were discovered and trained in OVW, FCW or DSW and were this bad in the ring, Vince would be yelling at everyone involved for sending him up unable to work an adequate match with people who are good hands in the ring but Enzo's undeniable suckiness as an in-ring talent won't have any repercussions for the current developmental system. Triple H signs everybody that's sort of his job description, and I don't think his lack of progress is a reflection on anything. Not everyone has the potential to be good in the ring and developmental cuts people who can't go all the time; what saved Enzo is being able to talk so well on the mic and get a crowd so firmly behind him that they know they can draw money with him even if he's terrible in the ring. Do we consider it a negative reflection of NXT and how Triple H is running things when they go and cut the bottom whatever percentage of developmental to make room for new people? Or when they release dudes who had been on NXT TV and were going nowhere? There have been plenty of lumbering dudes from previous farm systems that were bad in the ring too, but they didn't have the ability to come out and make an entire arena chant along with his intro schtick. I just really don't see what Triple H or NXT have to do with any of this. He's terrible in the ring but golden on the mic, like a whole lot of guys before him were. If it weren't for how well he can talk he wouldn't have made it to the main roster, but his presence there is built entirely on the act that no matter how bad he stinks up the ring people go nuts for him.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 21, 2017 10:41:27 GMT -5
Yeah he's terrible in the ring... but he is over as f***... which is kinda the main point of being a wrestler... and they'd be a fool to not be capitalizing on him to sell t-shirts and other merch like they are... sticking him in NXT until he finished learning the ropes he may have cooled off by then and not work on the main roster. As for how long he could possibly coast on doing his catchphrases... as I said earlier Road Dogg pretty much made his career on spouting catchphrases. Enzo's getting _worse_ in the ring from week to week though, it seems like. He's going to hurt himself (again) if things keep going like this. Cut down his number of house show dates and mostly just use him as a manager for Cass on RAW, and get him back in the Performance Center as often as possible until he stops being a danger to himself.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Feb 21, 2017 11:21:38 GMT -5
In ring ability is maybe 20% of the job.
Making the company money is the other 80% AND YOU CAN'T TEACH THAT!
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 21, 2017 11:31:43 GMT -5
Enzo's getting _worse_ in the ring from week to week though, it seems like. He's going to hurt himself (again) if things keep going like this. Cut down his number of house show dates and mostly just use him as a manager for Cass on RAW, and get him back in the Performance Center as often as possible until he stops being a danger to himself. Even beyond that, through his career- NXT and WWE, it would have just been more perfect for Enzo to be transitioned into being a manager for Big Cass and do it perfectly. Even if Enzo isn't a good wrestler, he's good enough to be a good manager (and again, has crowds eating out of his hand.) Meanwhile, Big Cass is just good enough that if you transition him to be a singles guy with Enzo as a manager, he is just good enough to be the homegrown mega-star WWE wanted from Roman Reigns.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 21, 2017 11:46:41 GMT -5
The guy can talk, but he makes at least one botch every match. Why did they call him up before he was ready? Also, why is Jinder Mahal there? He does not deserve his own thread, but the question needs to be asked. New Sin Cara confirmed?
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Post by Lazy peon on Feb 21, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -5
They should just push Cass as a singles guy with Enzo as his manager.
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