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Post by crowley1986 on Feb 21, 2017 21:45:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one whose sick of the act
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 21, 2017 21:50:01 GMT -5
Just don't let him wrestle at all. Let Cass handle the wrestling while Enzo's purely a promo guy. That's what they seem to do with Xavier in New Day, which is kind of weird since Xavier can actually wrestle, but hey. You get better heat beating him up and more credibility from it.
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Post by corndog on Feb 21, 2017 23:05:12 GMT -5
At least Enzo was super over when he was called up and is still super over, moves merch, and gets crowds to care Take the opposite of that with Apollo Crews. He was called up early and literally the same time Enzo was. Dude can work really well, problem is, who the f*** cares? His personality is on par with stale bread. Enzo has a point, I'm not saying his in ring skills are severely lacking because they are, but he's what WWE strive for, people who are over as shit. He's being used in commercial brand deals, he has the crowd in the palm of his hand, and overall, he's one of the top draws I think they actually have right now on RAW anyway. Let's not act like Enzo will be the first or last guy to have minimal wrestling skill and still get super over, there are other guys who are the same way on the roster, Heath Slater anyone? I love Heath but whens the last time you saw him bust out more than five moves a match? Dudes personality has gotten him where he is. Personally I think No Way Jose could be next... it's just a part of wrestling, there will be guys with the total package of great wrestler and great talker... but sometimes all you need is the mouth, and Enzo has it. If the WWE actually had managers and used someone like Enzo as one, then you could get people like Apollo Crews over. The problem with Crews is he is bland, but he certainly doesn't need more time in developmental, because his skills are clearly ready. Enzo gets confused by ring ropes and has already hurt himself, someday he might hurt someone else. As far as comparing Enzo to Slater, no, just no, Slater can not only properly sell, but is actually pretty darn good at it and it's big part of the reason WWE kept him around for so long as an enhancement talent. He doesn't do any elaborate moves, but he's never really had to do them. Yes his personality helped quite a bit and has gotten him over, but he has been pretty far from a liability in the ring for most of WWE tenure, unlike Enzo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 23:26:02 GMT -5
Enzo can't wrestle? Yep, but he doesn't have to. I wish we had a few more below average wrestlers but over as f***. Sami can put on a great match with anyone but who cares. He's boring and his character is Owens former bff, he puts on good matches but so does like 15 other guys with more personality. Give me a over the top character that can't wrestle then some bland guy that can work.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 21, 2017 23:49:48 GMT -5
I disagree
(Enzo can't wrestle)
He's very good
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2017 0:16:22 GMT -5
At least Enzo was super over when he was called up and is still super over, moves merch, and gets crowds to care Take the opposite of that with Apollo Crews. He was called up early and literally the same time Enzo was. Dude can work really well, problem is, who the f*** cares? His personality is on par with stale bread. Enzo has a point, I'm not saying his in ring skills are severely lacking because they are, but he's what WWE strive for, people who are over as shit. He's being used in commercial brand deals, he has the crowd in the palm of his hand, and overall, he's one of the top draws I think they actually have right now on RAW anyway. Let's not act like Enzo will be the first or last guy to have minimal wrestling skill and still get super over, there are other guys who are the same way on the roster, Heath Slater anyone? I love Heath but whens the last time you saw him bust out more than five moves a match? Dudes personality has gotten him where he is. Personally I think No Way Jose could be next... it's just a part of wrestling, there will be guys with the total package of great wrestler and great talker... but sometimes all you need is the mouth, and Enzo has it. If the WWE actually had managers and used someone like Enzo as one, then you could get people like Apollo Crews over. The problem with Crews is he is bland, but he certainly doesn't need more time in developmental, because his skills are clearly ready. Enzo gets confused by ring ropes and has already hurt himself, someday he might hurt someone else. As far as comparing Enzo to Slater, no, just no, Slater can not only properly sell, but is actually pretty darn good at it and it's big part of the reason WWE kept him around for so long as an enhancement talent. He doesn't do any elaborate moves, but he's never really had to do them. Yes his personality helped quite a bit and has gotten him over, but he has been pretty far from a liability in the ring for most of WWE tenure, unlike Enzo. But one of Enzo's best qualities is his selling. Its not as good as Heaths, but him getting the shit kicked out of him is kind of one of his biggest quirks, so there's that. Don't take my comparison as dogging Slater either, I love Heath, and Im happy he finally got a push. And I agree Heath being ring safe is one of the reasons he's lasted so long on top of how good on the mic he is.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Feb 22, 2017 0:19:06 GMT -5
Oh my god. I have so much to say about this, but my brain can't eek out those words because I am amazed that someone this awful is on the main roster. f***. Best part about it is Cesaro's double take. The gif ends early because in the match he stared at him afterwards as the camera zoomed it on his face. The gif left out the best part, which is the look on Cesaro's face of pure hatred afterwards.
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 22, 2017 1:37:56 GMT -5
He should be a manager, but Vince hates them for some bizarre reason.
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 22, 2017 1:51:47 GMT -5
Also, I can't believe I'm about to defend the guy because for one, I find Enzo to be extremely overrated as a talker, and two, I just don't care for his schitck in general, but I'm just one guy. For whatever reason (most of it is a pretty healthy dose of natural charisma the guy has), the guy gets a massive crowd reaction, and frankly, that's what it's about in pro wrestling.
I know I'll come under fire from the purists out there, but to me working is down the totem pole in terms of what makes a pro wrestler great. It's definitely below mic work and charisma, though admittedly there are some transcendent talents like Bret Hart and the one POS who I won't name who made their working ability their primary attribute that pushed them into stardom. But they also had a pretty good charisma around him as well, even if it wasn't spoken (and it wasn't like Hart was awful on the mic either).
All that being said it would be better if he were just a manager. But baring that, as long as he isn't hurting people out there he'll be out there, because the crowd would much rather see him than probably 90% of the roster. Even if I'm not a part of that group, my opinion is meaningless when 80-90% of the gate disagrees with me.
On another note, Shameus booting him in the head was a total face move in my POV.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Feb 22, 2017 2:08:17 GMT -5
Best part about it is Cesaro's double take. The gif ends early because in the match he stared at him afterwards as the camera zoomed it on his face. The gif left out the best part, which is the look on Cesaro's face of pure hatred afterwards. ''THIS guy get's three time my merch sales?!''
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Feb 22, 2017 5:10:13 GMT -5
He is so hesitant, especially when running to the ropes, and it has gotten worse since the accident and worse every week.
For people saying "who cares he is over" well, I care because he is going to get hurt, or worse, hurt someone else. And also notice the "Thank you Sheamus" chants when he kicked the shit outta Zo. We will be getting more of those reactions as even my 70 year old mother asked me the other day "why does Enzo suck now?" due to his promos getting worse and worse to go along with his ring work. For the promos it feels like when New Day started to slide, like their leashes got tighter and they had less freedom to create and were mandated more and more things to say due to the fact they are over.
I feel like maybe he needs his confidence back so he can stop hesitating. I just don't want to see the little goof seriously hurt because he is scared of the ropes.
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Post by Jessica Cadavre on Feb 22, 2017 5:26:42 GMT -5
Bring back the Butterfly Belt for him. Most of the people who held that couldn't wrestle either, but he's way more over than any of them ever were!
But no, seriously, there are plenty of things for him to do for the business while barely wrestling. Perhaps he could be the Ricardo Rodriguez to Cass' Alberto del Rio.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Feb 22, 2017 15:09:18 GMT -5
It probably has something to do with his lust for buckets of chicken.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 22, 2017 18:09:22 GMT -5
I think Enzo being fairly terrible in the ring kinda adds to his character,tbh. Gives him the Scrappy Doo thing.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Feb 22, 2017 18:12:31 GMT -5
I think he should wrestle a lot less than he does currently. Like, a lot lot lot less.
Yeah, he's still massively over, but I can guarantee that he'll be less over overtime if they keep letting him wrestle as he has been.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Feb 23, 2017 4:46:31 GMT -5
Enzo can't wrestle? Yep, but he doesn't have to. I wish we had a few more below average wrestlers but over as f***. Sami can put on a great match with anyone but who cares. He's boring and his character is Owens former bff, he puts on good matches but so does like 15 other guys with more personality. Give me a over the top character that can't wrestle then some bland guy that can work. His character could be the best ever, but does it matter if he is so bad in the ring that he knocks himself out??
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Feb 23, 2017 6:50:17 GMT -5
Yeah he's pretty dreadful, but what annoys me more his character. So irritating and not a face to me at all... But he sells a lot of shirts so what do I know? I just try my best to tune out when they appear.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Feb 23, 2017 16:11:16 GMT -5
I said in another thread that the sad thing about Enzo and Cass is they seem to absolutely need each other to gain any credibility whatsoever, but they suck in each other's role. Cass is a decent big man and can move well in the ring, but is just so bland on his own.. he needs Enzo to be his hype man. Enzo has that scary charisma where even if he's saying incredibly stupid stuff (and he is, most of the time), it still works somehow. But you put him in the ring and he's underwhelming, at best. However, you put Cass next to Enzo.. and Enzo has a right to talk all his shit because he has a seven footer waiting to back him up. You put Enzo next to Cass and you have a guy who's charisma is so off-the-charts, Cass can feed off it just by being next to him and it's not a Heyman/Brock dynamic, it's the loudmouth punk kid who can't do shit, paired up with the big guy who stands a good chance of pummeling you into the pavement. Away from each other, they're nothing special.. but together, they work well.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 23, 2017 17:10:54 GMT -5
I always thought he should be a heel manager-he's like style without substance-I'm really surprised the crowd isn't tired of him yet-REALLY surprised
As for mic work, it's all catchphrases, and nonsensical jibba jabba-but he's already secured a spot in the hall of fame-for what that's worth
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 23, 2017 18:35:15 GMT -5
I said in another thread that the sad thing about Enzo and Cass is they seem to absolutely need each other to gain any credibility whatsoever, but they suck in each other's role. Cass is a decent big man and can move well in the ring, but is just so bland on his own.. he needs Enzo to be his hype man. Enzo has that scary charisma where even if he's saying incredibly stupid stuff (and he is, most of the time), it still works somehow. But you put him in the ring and he's underwhelming, at best. However, you put Cass next to Enzo.. and Enzo has a right to talk all his shit because he has a seven footer waiting to back him up. You put Enzo next to Cass and you have a guy who's charisma is so off-the-charts, Cass can feed off it just by being next to him and it's not a Heyman/Brock dynamic, it's the loudmouth punk kid who can't do shit, paired up with the big guy who stands a good chance of pummeling you into the pavement. Away from each other, they're nothing special.. but together, they work well.
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