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Gary hart
Feb 23, 2017 12:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by hulksmash87 on Feb 23, 2017 12:29:54 GMT -5
Did he ever come close to going to WWF as a manager or backstage role?
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Post by lws on Feb 23, 2017 12:49:24 GMT -5
Backstage, I dunno. There were a few maybes as a manager. Once in the late '60s, there was talk of him leading someone against Bruno, in the early '90s with Earthquake, and then in '93, he was supposed to be Doink the Clown's evil ringmaster. Apparently Bruno didn't like him for some reason, and the other times he wanted more control over his character and who he managed. I've gleaned these facts mostly from posts here, so I'm sure other people can give fuller stories.
All I can say is I think Gary's one of the best managers in history, and I simultaneously believe he would've been fantastic with all these guys, yet also understand his reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 13:07:22 GMT -5
While I know little about Gary Hart, what I do know is Matt Borne Doink having an evil ringmaster and it being Gary Hart is utterly fascinating.
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Gary hart
Feb 23, 2017 13:16:27 GMT -5
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Post by Hickster on Feb 23, 2017 13:16:27 GMT -5
One of my all time favorites.
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Post by hulksmash87 on Feb 23, 2017 14:46:43 GMT -5
Gary Hart with doink would have been money
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Gary hart
Feb 23, 2017 15:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 23, 2017 15:17:52 GMT -5
In a shoot he mentioned that he passed on a wwf offer because he wanted to work with guys that he picked and not be designated by Vince to manage a heel. He was very selective of who he managed, and in the wwf Vince paired the guys. I don't think Bobby Heenan liked managing the Red Rooster and Missing Link.
From reading Gary's book, he was also the wrestler's manager in real life, he took care of their traveling and negotiated his contract with the promoter.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 23, 2017 15:19:26 GMT -5
Backstage, I dunno. There were a few maybes as a manager. Once in the late '60s, there was talk of him leading someone against Bruno, in the early '90s with Earthquake, and then in '93, he was supposed to be Doink the Clown's evil ringmaster. Apparently Bruno didn't like him for some reason, and the other times he wanted more control over his character and who he managed. I've gleaned these facts mostly from posts here, so I'm sure other people can give fuller stories. All I can say is I think Gary's one of the best managers in history, and I simultaneously believe he would've been fantastic with all these guys, yet also understand his reasons. Apparently, Bruno's issue was that someone who had been in the locker room in Texas told Bruno that Hart had really talked trash about him. Hart maintained that the only remotely negative thing he had ever said about Bruno was that he was the champion of New York, not the world. Gary was an NWA guy, so he also viewed Verne Gagne as the champion of Minnesota. Apparently, the guy made it sound worse than it was and Bruno never wanted to work with Hart after that. I think the Doink talk was more serious than the Earthquake talk, but while intrigued, I don't think Gary was all that crazy about making such a drastic change in persona. Gary liked to call his own shots as much as possible, so I don't think it would have ever worked for him there.
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Gary hart
Feb 23, 2017 15:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 23, 2017 15:19:58 GMT -5
Double post sorry, I just remembered that Curt Bauer mentioned that he came up with Umaga based on Gary Hart managing a monster, he contacted Gary and offered him a deal to manage Umaga but Gary passed it. Curt said that because Gary rejected it, they created Armando Alejandro Estrada
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 23, 2017 22:54:28 GMT -5
Gary said he almost came into WWF around 1984 and that George Steele had always tried to push them to bring him in. He was supposed to work a show in Washington DC. Without getting into all the details, Gary claimed that Jay Strongbow sabotaged him, leading Gary to arrive late to the show. Gary had fired Strongbow eight years earlier in Georgia. When Gary learned that Strongbow was one of Vince's top guys behind the scenes, he decided he didn't want to work there and he left. After this incident, Gary claims Vince was very upset with him but still wanted to bring him in and manage Brutus Beefcake.
Gary claims that he was kept out of the WWWF in the 1970s because Bruno Sammartino didn't want him there. Gary claims that in 1971 he was told Ivan Koloff (whom he had been working with) was about to be brought in and that he was going to beat Bruno for the WWWF title and that Gary would manage him. Obviously the first thing happened, but Gary didn't get to manage him. Lou Albano got the spot instead.
Gary claims that Pete Sanchez, an undercard wrestler with whom Gary worked in the Amarillo territory, told Bruno that Gary had said uncomplimentary things about him. Gary says he heard this from George Steele.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Feb 24, 2017 22:33:06 GMT -5
While I know little about Gary Hart, what I do know is Matt Borne Doink having an evil ringmaster and it being Gary Hart is utterly fascinating. I picture him looking a little like Captain Spaulding from "House of a Thousand Corpses" in that role for some reason...
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 24, 2017 22:36:27 GMT -5
While I know little about Gary Hart, what I do know is Matt Borne Doink having an evil ringmaster and it being Gary Hart is utterly fascinating. I picture him looking a little like Captain Spaulding from "House of a Thousand Corpses" in that role for some reason... Same. And Gary could have owned that shit had he wanted to do it.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 24, 2017 23:35:51 GMT -5
I picture him looking a little like Captain Spaulding from "House of a Thousand Corpses" in that role for some reason... Same. And Gary could have owned that shit had he wanted to do it. Yep. But then I am biased as hell since Gary Hart is my favorite manager of all time. Only guy that comes close in my eyes is Jimmy Hart.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 24, 2017 23:50:29 GMT -5
Same. And Gary could have owned that shit had he wanted to do it. Yep. But then I am biased as hell since Gary Hart is my favorite manager of all time. Only guy that comes close in my eyes is Jimmy Hart. It's probably no secret that Heenan is my favorite, but it's unfortunate that his later comedic stuff tends to overshadow the complete package that he was capable of. As for Gary Hart, there's a reason that I chose the name "Playboy" when I worked my first show, and why I have referred to him as Uncle Gary. The man was the epitome of evil genius heel. Not that either needed the other, but if Gary had been paired with Jake Roberts in late '91 and early '92, it would have been the most evil and diabolical pairing in the history of the business.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 24, 2017 23:57:55 GMT -5
Not for nothin but I'd kill to have an actual physical copy of his book.
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Gary hart
Feb 25, 2017 0:11:03 GMT -5
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 25, 2017 0:11:03 GMT -5
Not for nothin but I'd kill to have an actual physical copy of his book. I'm lucky enough to have one. They were for sale at Fanfest one year, and I remember thinking, "Damn, I never pay this much for a book. But screw it, I'm here and it's here. Go ahead and get it." I think it was $30 or $35. The logical part of me says that I could sell it for a nice profit. The fan and collector in me says, "Hell no."
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 25, 2017 1:33:06 GMT -5
Yep. But then I am biased as hell since Gary Hart is my favorite manager of all time. Only guy that comes close in my eyes is Jimmy Hart. It's probably no secret that Heenan is my favorite, but it's unfortunate that his later comedic stuff tends to overshadow the complete package that he was capable of. As for Gary Hart, there's a reason that I chose the name "Playboy" when I worked my first show, and why I have referred to him as Uncle Gary. The man was the epitome of evil genius heel. Not that either needed the other, but if Gary had been paired with Jake Roberts in late '91 and early '92, it would have been the most evil and diabolical pairing in the history of the business. I keep trying to get a chance to meet Heenan. But I don't think that will happen. Was so happy to not only get to meet Jimmy Hart last Labor Day weekend,but got a bit of advice from him. Also learned why he calls everyone baby. He is like me he remembers faces but is horrible at remembering names.
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Gary hart
Feb 25, 2017 2:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 25, 2017 2:24:55 GMT -5
It's probably no secret that Heenan is my favorite, but it's unfortunate that his later comedic stuff tends to overshadow the complete package that he was capable of. As for Gary Hart, there's a reason that I chose the name "Playboy" when I worked my first show, and why I have referred to him as Uncle Gary. The man was the epitome of evil genius heel. Not that either needed the other, but if Gary had been paired with Jake Roberts in late '91 and early '92, it would have been the most evil and diabolical pairing in the history of the business. I keep trying to get a chance to meet Heenan. But I don't think that will happen. Was so happy to not only get to meet Jimmy Hart last Labor Day weekend,but got a bit of advice from him. Also learned why he calls everyone baby. He is like me he remembers faces but is horrible at remembering names. Jimmy is great. One of those guys every wrestling fan should get to meet. I've been lucky enough to meet some guys that are no longer with us. I had dinner with Akbar about a week before he died. I had made plans to talk shop with Hump and didn't get to do it the last time I saw him. I met Percy a couple of times but purely as a fan. One of those was spent listening to him and my dad (a grave digger) talk about vaults and caskets. I won't lie, when I went downstairs at the hotel to meet Heenan, I got chills when I saw him in the lobby.
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 25, 2017 5:12:17 GMT -5
Not for nothin but I'd kill to have an actual physical copy of his book. I'm lucky enough to have one. They were for sale at Fanfest one year, and I remember thinking, "Damn, I never pay this much for a book. But screw it, I'm here and it's here. Go ahead and get it." I think it was $30 or $35. The logical part of me says that I could sell it for a nice profit. The fan and collector in me says, "Hell no." I just looked online and it seems that it starts at 1300.00 for this book. I've made some good investments in my life, but percentage wise, this would blow everything out of the water. Is there a reason why it is so expensive? Just an extremely limited run? Are each individually numbered and signed? Do they come dipped in the blood of Christ? What am I missing here?
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Gary hart
Feb 25, 2017 8:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 25, 2017 8:50:21 GMT -5
I'm lucky enough to have one. They were for sale at Fanfest one year, and I remember thinking, "Damn, I never pay this much for a book. But screw it, I'm here and it's here. Go ahead and get it." I think it was $30 or $35. The logical part of me says that I could sell it for a nice profit. The fan and collector in me says, "Hell no." I just looked online and it seems that it starts at 1300.00 for this book. I've made some good investments in my life, but percentage wise, this would blow everything out of the water. Is there a reason why it is so expensive? Just an extremely limited run? Are each individually numbered and signed? Do they come dipped in the blood of Christ? What am I missing here? Very limited run. I don't think there was a second printing, and I would say that a lot of them were sold at the Fanfest that year. I'm not sure why, but his kids seem reluctant to do another printing.
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Gary hart
Feb 25, 2017 11:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by mizerable on Feb 25, 2017 11:56:35 GMT -5
According to his book Strongbow and Mr. Fuji sabotaged his chance. He even said he ran into Hogan as he was leaving the building angry.
I read a PDF version of his book. And while it was okay..I don't think it's worth owning. He definitely contributed a TON to the business, but the book at times came off as sour or simple. I'd say it's worth a read for any fan of his work, but for the most part it doesn't shed much light on what hasn't already been said.
With that, it's a damn shame he retired when he did. I think he could've fit in well in the early to mid 90's.
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