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Post by Nikki Heyman on Mar 2, 2017 19:39:55 GMT -5
Kassius Ohno was at SD Tuesday night behind the scenes, are we sure that Silas is losing? 1) Elias 2) It was taped, so yes. I really need to watch more NXT......
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2017 22:20:22 GMT -5
Calling up a guy like The Drifter and leaving Nakamura in NXT: Basically it's kinda like if the WWE would've signed Eddie Guerrero and Prince Iaukea, but Iaukea went to Raw and Eddie was exclusively on Shotgun Saturday Night. It's all about timing. Nakamura will be coming up as a top guy, the Drifter is not. They're already struggling to figure out what to do at Mania with the top guys they already have, so Nakamura coming up now would exacerbate the problem. If the Drifter doesn't make it onto the Mania card, I don't think anybody would notice.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 2, 2017 22:25:46 GMT -5
Calling up a guy like The Drifter and leaving Nakamura in NXT: Basically it's kinda like if the WWE would've signed Eddie Guerrero and Prince Iaukea, but Iaukea went to Raw and Eddie was exclusively on Shotgun Saturday Night. At this point, Tino Sabbatelli will be called up next. I wouldn't be surprised if Shinsuke was slotted for the post-Mania spot after finishing up at the next Takeover. Someone like Samson can be moved up without much of a worry, but Nakamura is a big star and he needs a bigger shot than coming in a less than a month before Mania and doing nothing of value.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 2, 2017 22:40:52 GMT -5
Calling up a guy like The Drifter and leaving Nakamura in NXT: Basically it's kinda like if the WWE would've signed Eddie Guerrero and Prince Iaukea, but Iaukea went to Raw and Eddie was exclusively on Shotgun Saturday Night. It's all about timing. Nakamura will be coming up as a top guy, the Drifter is not. They're already struggling to figure out what to do at Mania with the top guys they already have, so Nakamura coming up now would exacerbate the problem. If the Drifter doesn't make it onto the Mania card, I don't think anybody would notice. While I used Nakamura as an example, I just don't get their call-up reasoning/process at all. Guys like Nakamura and Hero/Ohno should be on the main roster, without question. They have the talent and charisma to make big money for the company. Some may snicker at it, but I imagine an Ohno/Cena feud and I see dollar signs. A Nakamura/Styles feud on Smackdown over the title would be amazing. We know those guys can deliver a five-star match. It's a shame that they didn't call-up Nakamura sooner so Styles could get Nakamura at WM instead of Shane. Outside of trying to hurt the independents/certain companies, I just don't see the logic of signing guys who are proven talents and sticking them in NXT. I get the argument that they're trying to draw people to the NXT brand, but by doing so, they're potentially sacrificing big money for their main brands. I just don't understand not calling up proven talent, but calling up people who aren't ready (Enzo, Alexa Bliss, Apollo Crews, Nia Jax, The Drifter, etc.). It may sound ridiculous, but if he's not debuting on the Raw after 'Mania, I expect Nakamura to head back to New Japan sooner rather than later. I've used this to death on this board, but they're basically signing a bunch of "Mike Trout's" and sticking them on their minor league affiliate. It makes no sense.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 2, 2017 23:16:48 GMT -5
Does anyone seriously think Samson has a hope in hell of getting over on the main roster? His gimmick is amusing in a deliberate X-Pac heat way on NXT where Graves gets to bury it, but on the main roster he'll probably be a jobber that people turn the channel on whenever he strums his guitar and sings.
Having seen the recent NXT episode Ohno has got to get in actual shape if he wants to sniff the main roster. He isn't really a Joe/Owens sort of burly, big dude that is kinda fat but it works for him. He just looked like a guy that was once in semi okay shape that has really let himself go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 0:05:10 GMT -5
Why does he deserve to be called up? Heel heat. Genuine, real, heel heat. If he's on Raw it will be amazing. Graves is doing some announcing and then out of nowhere the first notes of Samson's theme hits. It would be fantastic to hear him lose his shit. And Elias better go back to doing his flying elbow. That he did like once. And it was beautiful. Corey: I partly left NXT so I wouldn't have to commentate on this poser again and yet here is again ruining my day. Damn you Elias Samson. Damn you! You're Pittsburgh least favorite son!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 3, 2017 0:08:01 GMT -5
It's all about timing. Nakamura will be coming up as a top guy, the Drifter is not. They're already struggling to figure out what to do at Mania with the top guys they already have, so Nakamura coming up now would exacerbate the problem. If the Drifter doesn't make it onto the Mania card, I don't think anybody would notice. While I used Nakamura as an example, I just don't get their call-up reasoning/process at all. Guys like Nakamura and Hero/Ohno should be on the main roster, without question. They have the talent and charisma to make big money for the company. Some may snicker at it, but I imagine an Ohno/Cena feud and I see dollar signs. A Nakamura/Styles feud on Smackdown over the title would be amazing. We know those guys can deliver a five-star match. It's a shame that they didn't call-up Nakamura sooner so Styles could get Nakamura at WM instead of Shane. Outside of trying to hurt the independents/certain companies, I just don't see the logic of signing guys who are proven talents and sticking them in NXT. I get the argument that they're trying to draw people to the NXT brand, but by doing so, they're potentially sacrificing big money for their main brands. I just don't understand not calling up proven talent, but calling up people who aren't ready (Enzo, Alexa Bliss, Apollo Crews, Nia Jax, The Drifter, etc.). It may sound ridiculous, but if he's not debuting on the Raw after 'Mania, I expect Nakamura to head back to New Japan sooner rather than later. I've used this to death on this board, but they're basically signing a bunch of "Mike Trout's" and sticking them on their minor league affiliate. It makes no sense. I think outside of getting people ring ready and the matter of drawing with the NXT banner, I think a lot of the reason for hoarding guys is that Triple H is looking ahead to when he and Steph take over. There's a lot of less than conventional people in NXT, lots of talents that may not be Vince's cup of tea, and in the case of all his NWA tag team throwback ideas definitely not something Vince is into as someone who doesn't really care about tag team wrestling or southern style stuff. It's caused a bit of a bottleneck problem in NXT because here's this treasure trove of talent they're just sitting on and waiting for Vince to croak to roll out, but it's the only really tangible idea I can fully get. Triple H wants to have a roster packed with the big talents he's signed and who are "Triple H people", and this is all prep for when it's his time to deliver.
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Post by Rican on Mar 3, 2017 0:57:46 GMT -5
Does anyone seriously think Samson has a hope in hell of getting over on the main roster? His gimmick is amusing in a deliberate X-Pac heat way on NXT where Graves gets to bury it, but on the main roster he'll probably be a jobber that people turn the channel on whenever he strums his guitar and sings. Having seen the recent NXT episode Ohno has got to get in actual shape if he wants to sniff the main roster. He isn't really a Joe/Owens sort of burly, big dude that is kinda fat but it works for him. He just looked like a guy that was once in semi okay shape that has really let himself go. Yeah I think Samson will be fine. I imagine it being pretty similar to the initial Bo Dallas run. I don't think the performer or gimmick are meant for more than jobber/midcard level. It depends how much they want to invest in it too. They could half ass it and end up Ascension/Vaudevillianing him.
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Post by thetower52 on Mar 3, 2017 1:43:34 GMT -5
He will do great. The Heat he gets is amazing. People love seeing him get his ass beat
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Mar 3, 2017 5:26:48 GMT -5
The heat he gets is staggering. In a time when heels get cheered louder & louder he is someone who gets booed out of the building every night.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 3, 2017 6:34:20 GMT -5
While I used Nakamura as an example, I just don't get their call-up reasoning/process at all. Guys like Nakamura and Hero/Ohno should be on the main roster, without question. They have the talent and charisma to make big money for the company. Some may snicker at it, but I imagine an Ohno/Cena feud and I see dollar signs. A Nakamura/Styles feud on Smackdown over the title would be amazing. We know those guys can deliver a five-star match. It's a shame that they didn't call-up Nakamura sooner so Styles could get Nakamura at WM instead of Shane. Outside of trying to hurt the independents/certain companies, I just don't see the logic of signing guys who are proven talents and sticking them in NXT. I get the argument that they're trying to draw people to the NXT brand, but by doing so, they're potentially sacrificing big money for their main brands. I just don't understand not calling up proven talent, but calling up people who aren't ready (Enzo, Alexa Bliss, Apollo Crews, Nia Jax, The Drifter, etc.). It may sound ridiculous, but if he's not debuting on the Raw after 'Mania, I expect Nakamura to head back to New Japan sooner rather than later. I've used this to death on this board, but they're basically signing a bunch of "Mike Trout's" and sticking them on their minor league affiliate. It makes no sense. ...even that doesn't change the same point that was there. Yes, a guy like Nakamura or Ohno may be better than Elias Samson or the last firm main roster callup before this, James Ellsworth. Great. ...So you're saying you'd prefer Shinsuke Nakamura being given the same spot and push as James Ellsworth, then? THIS is why people who "aren't ready" (of which it's notable, even if they're over or succeeded with flying colors on the main roster [like Enzo and Alexa] ...funny how that list only has Apollo Crews as an "indy darling", by the way) get promoted earlier. Maybe they're not as good as Nakamura/Ohno, but they're better IN THEIR ROLE than the bigger star would be. Nakamura may be better than Drifter, yes...but that means Nakamura has a chance to be a main event player in WWE and Drifter...quite frankly, does not. Nakamura on WWE TV could be in main events, Drifter would be a midcard heel and warm body who has almost no chance of being anything more than that...and you need some midcard heels just as much as you need main event players, and if someone's peak is just To use your last line: It's not just about signing a bunch of "Mike Trout's" and sticking them on their minor league affiliate- but also: Great. Your team is in dire need of a middle reliever who can throw to a lefty for one or two batters. Do you call up the lesser star/warm body on the minor league team who IS a middle reliever who can throw to a lefty for one or two batters, or do you call up that all-star "Mike Trout" centerfielder, even though your team already has an All-Star centerfielder just as good, and make Mike Trout become a pitcher and come out of the bullpen in that role?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 7:43:28 GMT -5
Loser leaves company, immediately debuts in "other company" that everyone knows is a step up in rank.
Sure.
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Post by lookout on Mar 3, 2017 9:21:51 GMT -5
Why does he deserve to be called up? Heel heat. Genuine, real, heel heat. If he's on Raw it will be amazing. Graves is doing some announcing and then out of nowhere the first notes of Samson's theme hits. It would be fantastic to hear him lose his shit. And Elias better go back to doing his flying elbow. That he did like once. And it was beautiful. yep...i'm actually a fan of sampson...he has a great look, he's passable in the ring, easy for people to hate, and there is nothing more hilarious than listening to graves throw a fit about how much he hates him. It's so funny that to me it doesn't even matter what's going on the ring...i could listen to graves trash him for hours i think. If he doesn't go to raw just for that, it's more evidence that mcmahon is losing it.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 3, 2017 10:09:39 GMT -5
While I used Nakamura as an example, I just don't get their call-up reasoning/process at all. Guys like Nakamura and Hero/Ohno should be on the main roster, without question. They have the talent and charisma to make big money for the company. Some may snicker at it, but I imagine an Ohno/Cena feud and I see dollar signs. A Nakamura/Styles feud on Smackdown over the title would be amazing. We know those guys can deliver a five-star match. It's a shame that they didn't call-up Nakamura sooner so Styles could get Nakamura at WM instead of Shane. Outside of trying to hurt the independents/certain companies, I just don't see the logic of signing guys who are proven talents and sticking them in NXT. I get the argument that they're trying to draw people to the NXT brand, but by doing so, they're potentially sacrificing big money for their main brands. I just don't understand not calling up proven talent, but calling up people who aren't ready (Enzo, Alexa Bliss, Apollo Crews, Nia Jax, The Drifter, etc.). It may sound ridiculous, but if he's not debuting on the Raw after 'Mania, I expect Nakamura to head back to New Japan sooner rather than later. I've used this to death on this board, but they're basically signing a bunch of "Mike Trout's" and sticking them on their minor league affiliate. It makes no sense. I think outside of getting people ring ready and the matter of drawing with the NXT banner, I think a lot of the reason for hoarding guys is that Triple H is looking ahead to when he and Steph take over. There's a lot of less than conventional people in NXT, lots of talents that may not be Vince's cup of tea, and in the case of all his NWA tag team throwback ideas definitely not something Vince is into as someone who doesn't really care about tag team wrestling or southern style stuff. It's caused a bit of a bottleneck problem in NXT because here's this treasure trove of talent they're just sitting on and waiting for Vince to croak to roll out, but it's the only really tangible idea I can fully get. Triple H wants to have a roster packed with the big talents he's signed and who are "Triple H people", and this is all prep for when it's his time to deliver. That reasoning works as a theory, but not in practice. As far as we know, Vince handing over the reins doesn't have a set date, it could be a year from now or the crazy old bastard might have another decade or more in him yet. So with that in mind, stockpiling wrestlers like Nakamura, Ohno, Samoa Joe for an imminent takeover doesn't make the most sense, since they're all well into their late thirties and it will be only a matter of time before they're either winding down their careers or simply, past their best. If they were all hot young prospects, you could sort of see the point, but a future roster full of beaten up 40-somethings doesn't seem to be the best move. For me, the whole stacked NXT roster is nothing more than a power play/ego trip to show that WWE as a company can pluck whoever they want at any given time, even if it means just using them in development for five years. They are the biggest dog in the yard and they can have whatever toy they like, even if they're not playing with them, it's as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 11:17:04 GMT -5
I'm betting Nakamura is part of the annual post Wrestlemania call ups as the headliner call up. They just introduced Samoa Joe as the big call up recently so it's all about that timing. The Drifter is more likely a warm body to generate some heat and take some pinfalls against Crews or Mojo Rawley or Kalisto on SDl since SDL non main event babyfaces is pretty f***ing barren.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 3, 2017 11:46:14 GMT -5
I appreciate their glacial call-up rate for top-line NXT acts as it accomplishes two things:
A) It gives bigger acts like Owens, Balor, Joe et al room to be hyped accordingly, so that they can milk the novelty 'til the point they're established as main-roster acts.
B) It leaves NXT with something they can stick on the marquee given its status as a developmental/3rd touring brand deal.
Hell, NXT is still recovering from their pre-draft gouging.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Mar 3, 2017 12:38:13 GMT -5
I appreciate their glacial call-up rate for top-line NXT acts as it accomplishes two things: A) It gives bigger acts like Owens, Balor, Joe et al room to be hyped accordingly, so that they can milk the novelty 'til the point they're established as main-roster acts. B) It leaves NXT with something they can stick on the marquee given its status as a developmental/3rd touring brand deal. Hell, NXT is still recovering from their pre-draft gouging. I think this is the answer, really. NXT still needs to "Reload"
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Post by Perfect Timing on Mar 3, 2017 12:44:20 GMT -5
Kassius Ohno was at SD Tuesday night behind the scenes, are we sure that Silas is losing? Well, catering is better on the main roster.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 3, 2017 13:00:22 GMT -5
I think outside of getting people ring ready and the matter of drawing with the NXT banner, I think a lot of the reason for hoarding guys is that Triple H is looking ahead to when he and Steph take over. There's a lot of less than conventional people in NXT, lots of talents that may not be Vince's cup of tea, and in the case of all his NWA tag team throwback ideas definitely not something Vince is into as someone who doesn't really care about tag team wrestling or southern style stuff. It's caused a bit of a bottleneck problem in NXT because here's this treasure trove of talent they're just sitting on and waiting for Vince to croak to roll out, but it's the only really tangible idea I can fully get. Triple H wants to have a roster packed with the big talents he's signed and who are "Triple H people", and this is all prep for when it's his time to deliver. That reasoning works as a theory, but not in practice. As far as we know, Vince handing over the reins doesn't have a set date, it could be a year from now or the crazy old bastard might have another decade or more in him yet. So with that in mind, stockpiling wrestlers like Nakamura, Ohno, Samoa Joe for an imminent takeover doesn't make the most sense, since they're all well into their late thirties and it will be only a matter of time before they're either winding down their careers or simply, past their best. If they were all hot young prospects, you could sort of see the point, but a future roster full of beaten up 40-somethings doesn't seem to be the best move. For me, the whole stacked NXT roster is nothing more than a power play/ego trip to show that WWE as a company can pluck whoever they want at any given time, even if it means just using them in development for five years. They are the biggest dog in the yard and they can have whatever toy they like, even if they're not playing with them, it's as simple as that. But nobody has really been kept in NXT for any super egreriously long time. Some of them have been kept a bit too long, sure, but aside from Hideo Itami who keeps getting injured, they've all been cycled up. At least a little bit late, but if you look at even the card for TakeOver Dallas a year ago, as far as outside stars that made it to the top go, you've got Nakamura who debuted at that show and is very likely to be the bound for the main roster in a little under a year, and Asuka, who I remember Meltzer reporting early into her run had been brought onto a contract with the intention of using her as a long-term draw for NXT that may not even have her see the main roster (which I'm really hoping is going to change). Aries is I guess kind of a wonky situation, but I'm fairly certain him being on commentary for 205 Live means they're going to get him into the cruiserweight division very quickly once he's good to go. They're clearly getting guys steadily up into there, but I think that the pace of it is what's different and making this into a talent stockpile. He's willing to let these talents be a draw in developmental and sell out the big arena shows now while introducing them bit by bit to the main roster, and at a time where he can better protect them on a creative level--we've seen a lot of people come up who've been sank very quickly for one reason or another--but I firmly believe that once Vince is out of the picture we'll see a much quicker rate of call-ups for the talents that are fully ready to go. But one of the really big factors to all of this is that developmental has always been where people have gone and only a select few talents have been allowed to skip it, especially in recent years. It's just that now, NXT is topheavy with talent from around the world who are all making their run.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 3, 2017 13:26:21 GMT -5
That reasoning works as a theory, but not in practice. As far as we know, Vince handing over the reins doesn't have a set date, it could be a year from now or the crazy old bastard might have another decade or more in him yet. So with that in mind, stockpiling wrestlers like Nakamura, Ohno, Samoa Joe for an imminent takeover doesn't make the most sense, since they're all well into their late thirties and it will be only a matter of time before they're either winding down their careers or simply, past their best. If they were all hot young prospects, you could sort of see the point, but a future roster full of beaten up 40-somethings doesn't seem to be the best move. For me, the whole stacked NXT roster is nothing more than a power play/ego trip to show that WWE as a company can pluck whoever they want at any given time, even if it means just using them in development for five years. They are the biggest dog in the yard and they can have whatever toy they like, even if they're not playing with them, it's as simple as that. But nobody has really been kept in NXT for any super egreriously long time. Some of them have been kept a bit too long, sure, but aside from Hideo Itami who keeps getting injured, they've all been cycled up. At least a little bit late, but if you look at even the card for TakeOver Dallas a year ago, as far as outside stars that made it to the top go, you've got Nakamura who debuted at that show and is very likely to be the bound for the main roster in a little under a year, and Asuka, who I remember Meltzer reporting early into her run had been brought onto a contract with the intention of using her as a long-term draw for NXT that may not even have her see the main roster (which I'm really hoping is going to change). Aries is I guess kind of a wonky situation, but I'm fairly certain him being on commentary for 205 Live means they're going to get him into the cruiserweight division very quickly once he's good to go. They're clearly getting guys steadily up into there, but I think that the pace of it is what's different and making this into a talent stockpile. He's willing to let these talents be a draw in developmental and sell out the big arena shows now while introducing them bit by bit to the main roster, and at a time where he can better protect them on a creative level--we've seen a lot of people come up who've been sank very quickly for one reason or another--but I firmly believe that once Vince is out of the picture we'll see a much quicker rate of call-ups for the talents that are fully ready to go. But one of the really big factors to all of this is that developmental has always been where people have gone and only a select few talents have been allowed to skip it, especially in recent years. It's just that now, NXT is topheavy with talent from around the world who are all making their run. Don't get me wrong, I do think everyone (or certainly the bigger names) are people on their wishlist, but I also think there's still an element of plucking them before they need them just to sort of show they can. Independent and international wrestling is the most powerful it's been since the territories collapsed and I think the WWE are very mindful about not letting any promotion get too above its own station. Talent raids and taking known draws are the easiest way of doing this and sends out a message to any ambitious promotions or promoters that whoever they're building around at that time can be gotten and will still go and work for the WWE even if its just for a spot on a C, D or E show (I've lost track of brands and shows now). The fact that any of us can see just about any reasonable sized wrestling promotions product anywhere in the world is arguably the biggest threat WWE has faced in the best part of two decades and they know it only takes one of those promotions to catch onto something big and eyes that once had no choice but to be loyal to the WWE brand will turn. That's not something they're going to allow to happen.
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