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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:40:41 GMT -5
Well James Gunn said to get Ego, Marvel had to trade Nega Sonic Teenage Warhead's power set to FOX so Marvel could have Ego. James said if he couldn't get Ego there was no plan B for Guardians 2. I heard it was the reverse. The director of Deadpool wanted Negasonic so they gave up Ego to Marvel as a trade. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2017 17:11:29 GMT -5
Well James Gunn said to get Ego, Marvel had to trade Nega Sonic Teenage Warhead's power set to FOX so Marvel could have Ego. James said if he couldn't get Ego there was no plan B for Guardians 2. I heard it was the reverse. The director of Deadpool wanted Negasonic so they gave up Ego to Marvel as a trade. Wernick and Reese got taken to the cleaners then if they thought that was a fair trade, or a trade that needed to happen at all. "Power sets" aren't really something they can stamp a trademark or copyright on and own, nor has there ever been any sort of precedent for this sort of thing in previous times when other studios - including Fox and the X-Men franchise - changed characters to be nearly unrecognizable from their comic counterparts. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't get Marvel's okay to do whatever that was to the first version of Deadpool in Wolverine Origins, and that was a pretty heavy change in powers. The tongue thing with Toad. Jason Stryker (William's son) in X-2 had a completely different power set from his comic version (they basically turned him into Mastermind). Organic webbing. Artie was turned from a mute visualpath into a kid with a blue tongue. They gave Callisto Caliban's powers, Quentin Quire got Quill's powers and Psylocke had an all-new power set in X3. Silverfox went from having healing ability in the comics to being a telepath in Origins. Viper and Yukio didn't even have powers before their The Wolverine counterparts showed up. Etc., etc., etc. Yeah, if they thought they had to go to Marvel and negotiate this, they got taken. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:34:57 GMT -5
I heard it was the reverse. The director of Deadpool wanted Negasonic so they gave up Ego to Marvel as a trade. Wernick and Reese got taken to the cleaners then if they thought that was a fair trade, or a trade that needed to happen at all. "Power sets" aren't really something they can stamp a trademark or copyright on and own, nor has there ever been any sort of precedent for this sort of thing in previous times when other studios - including Fox and the X-Men franchise - changed characters to be nearly unrecognizable from their comic counterparts. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't get Marvel's okay to do whatever that was to the first version of Deadpool in Wolverine Origins, and that was a pretty heavy change in powers. The tongue thing with Toad. Jason Stryker (William's son) in X-2 had a completely different power set from his comic version (they basically turned him into Mastermind). Organic webbing. Artie was turned from a mute visualpath into a kid with a blue tongue. They gave Callisto Caliban's powers, Quentin Quire got Quill's powers and Psylocke had an all-new power set in X3. Silverfox went from having healing ability in the comics to being a telepath in Origins. Viper and Yukio didn't even have powers before their The Wolverine counterparts showed up. Etc., etc., etc. Yeah, if they thought they had to go to Marvel and negotiate this, they got taken. Maybe FOX asked them to play nice with Marvel now. Possibly for something down the line? Who knows. I'd imagine Fox had no real plans for EGO and MCU had no plans for NSTW so it was a zero-sum gain in the name of "good will" between studios. But I agree - while the name is cool, they could have thought up something equally as bombastic for a name and slapped it on the character, she wasn't exactly a lynchpin property for that franchise. Though she was my favorite part of that movie I had no preconceived notions about who she was. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2017 17:54:01 GMT -5
Though she was my favorite part of that movie I had no preconceived notions about who she was. That's pretty much because there were none. NSTW never even appeared as a living character before the film. Her first appearance was as a dead body found in the Genosha rubble after a Sentinel attack. Her second "appearance" turned out to be an illusion caused by Emma Frost still grieving over her (she was a Frost student when she died). After that, she was resurrected in the Necrosha event as a zombie. That was literally all she had before they "rebooted" her to take advantage of the popularity she was receiving from the movie...and during which they gave her a look and powers to more closely match the film version... |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:03:39 GMT -5
Though she was my favorite part of that movie I had no preconceived notions about who she was. That's pretty much because there were none. NSTW never even appeared as a living character before the film. Her first appearance was as a dead body found in the Genosha rubble after a Sentinel attack. Her second "appearance" turned out to be an illusion caused by Emma Frost still grieving over her (she was a Frost student when she died). After that, she was resurrected in the Necrosha event as a zombie. That was literally all she had before they "rebooted" her to take advantage of the popularity she was receiving from the movie...and during which they gave her a look and powers to more closely match the film version... That's terrific. It kinda reminds me of how Harley Quinn went from being a one-off in TAS to having her own comic and team-up books with her as well. Still I agree - really weird that Fox would even make the effort for the name. The name is very "on-brand" for the Deadpool movie, but it's a strange move. Interesting though, nonetheless. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2017 18:12:30 GMT -5
Fox had the rights to the name - it was an X-based character completely, regardless of how many appearances she had made. They could have made her powers the ability to grow a million feet tall and shoot rockets out of her tailpipe, and that was within their control to do so. Whole thing just seems like someone not knowing what they were doing and the other side going "hmm, we can use that to our advantage". Not a bad thing, per se, just unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:48:12 GMT -5
What if he put it in his will, then had his body fitted with mechanical devices so he'd pop out of the casket (which would be at the reading of the will, obviously) with Hulk hands on making angry growling sounds?
........could that work?
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 24, 2017 18:49:41 GMT -5
I'm not that interested in Marvel getting the X-Men rights back, since those characters come with so much continuity baggage that having them in their own universes make sense. And, Legion is my favourite superhero TV show right now, and I wouldn't want any change in ownership to affect the production. Don't mess with a good thing.
I'm more interested in Marvel having Galactus and the Silver Surfer since they're major features of the cosmic side of the Marvel universe. I'm spotty on Doctor Doom. He has magic powers, amazing technology, he's rich, and he runs his own country. Besides his hubris, I'm not sure which aspect of Doom best captures his gimmick. He's like the Madison Rayne of Marvel. I'd rather see the Avengers fight someone like Kang before Doom.
The Fantastic Four could work in the MCU, but I think you'd have to tweak the concept a bit. Whereas Captain America is a Rip Van Winkle story, that Steve Rogers is always the man out of time, make the Fantastic Four the bleeding edge of the MCU, that Reed Richards was the Elon Musk of his day. In 1961, they set out on some sort of inter-dimensional science expedition. They end up getting bombarded with cosmic rays, landing in, say, the Negative Zone. They're trapped in the Negative Zone for a couple of weeks, figuring out their powers as they fight back the forces of some hairy guy named Blastaar. They beat Blastaar and figure out a way to get back to the positive universe, maybe through teleportation or some kind of space portal that collapses spacetime. Only, when they come back, it's now 2019. So they come back, and the FF are still ahead of the curve in terms of technology, and achieve fame and fortune as they readily embrace the popularity of cheerful superheroics in a world that is fearful of Iron Man and Captain America types (after the near destruction of the earth in Age of Ultron and the big superhero fight in Germany in Civil War).
It'd be a neat reversal of the Cap story, that he feels like he can never fit in, when the FF all too easily adapt themselves to the twenty-first century. I think that Doctor Doom, Annihilus, or Galactus are too heavy of big bads to do the first FF movie, whereas Blastaar is powerful enough to pose a threat, but a deep cut into the comics history. And he could serve as a foothold to tie the Negative Zone to Marvel cosmic for a proper Annihilation movie by having him team up with Annihilus to try to conquer the positive universe.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 24, 2017 18:53:54 GMT -5
I feel like any magic a FF could have had, Incredibles already nailed it. And if there's anything missing, the sequel will probably sweep that up too..
But I echo wanting Silver Surfer/Galactus in the MCU.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 24, 2017 19:49:09 GMT -5
I heard it was the reverse. The director of Deadpool wanted Negasonic so they gave up Ego to Marvel as a trade. Wernick and Reese got taken to the cleaners then if they thought that was a fair trade, or a trade that needed to happen at all. "Power sets" aren't really something they can stamp a trademark or copyright on and own, nor has there ever been any sort of precedent for this sort of thing in previous times when other studios - including Fox and the X-Men franchise - changed characters to be nearly unrecognizable from their comic counterparts. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't get Marvel's okay to do whatever that was to the first version of Deadpool in Wolverine Origins, and that was a pretty heavy change in powers. The tongue thing with Toad. Jason Stryker (William's son) in X-2 had a completely different power set from his comic version (they basically turned him into Mastermind). Organic webbing. Artie was turned from a mute visualpath into a kid with a blue tongue. They gave Callisto Caliban's powers, Quentin Quire got Quill's powers and Psylocke had an all-new power set in X3. Silverfox went from having healing ability in the comics to being a telepath in Origins. Viper and Yukio didn't even have powers before their The Wolverine counterparts showed up. Etc., etc., etc. Yeah, if they thought they had to go to Marvel and negotiate this, they got taken. Gunn confirmed that Fox approached Marvel. Marvel must have laughed mightily. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 24, 2017 19:54:07 GMT -5
LOL, that's what I figured. Fox peeps went Full Dixie and got taken.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 24, 2017 21:43:12 GMT -5
I love Stan.
And I do get tired of hearing people talk smack about him because of Jack Kirby.
Kirby tried to claim credit for Spider Man at one point, so he's just as guilty as Stan, in my opinion.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 24, 2017 22:15:50 GMT -5
You would be incorrect that he's just as guilty as Stan. What Kirby even really claimed was based around a character he'd mocked up/worked on with Joe Simon that had some of the attributes of Spider-man. And yeah, he was wrong to kind of equate the two, especially given that DITKO created the bulk of Spider-man.
But as far as 'guilt' there's no contest, Stan let the idea of him being creator of all things Marvel and the artists just worked on em go on for decades and enjoyed all the benefits from that: making money speaking at colleges etc. He didn't push the narrative himself, but for way too long, he didn't correct it either. It was a sin of omission, but still.
The difference being, Jack didn't really benefit from erroneously claiming credit for Spidey. It was a bit of a misguided face-saving tactic that most people kinda were puzzled by.
Stan on the other hand, enjoyed very tangible benefits from the myth that he pretty well created everything and was responsible for it all.
I love both guys, and the pendulum has swung now to where Stan probably gets a little too much shit from people/too little credit for what he did create and contribute.
But as far as who was "guiltier"? No contest.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 25, 2017 2:25:05 GMT -5
I do find it kind of funny that for all of the stuff he readily takes credit for or doesn't dispute if given credit for when it isn't due, Stan Lee doesn't point out that he was the first to have Captain America throw his shield, last I recall. Comic Book Legends Revealed pointed it out in one of their things, caught me off guard given what a big thing that is for Cap, but he had not done it previously, so seemingly, that was Stan's doing. www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-306/ For the source and all. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2017 10:58:58 GMT -5
I do find it kind of funny that for all of the stuff he readily takes credit for or doesn't dispute if given credit for when it isn't due, Stan Lee doesn't point out that he was the first to have Captain America throw his shield, last I recall. Comic Book Legends Revealed pointed it out in one of their things, caught me off guard given what a big thing that is for Cap, but he had not done it previously, so seemingly, that was Stan's doing. www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-306/ For the source and all. Yeah, Cap didn't throw the shield until Issue 4 which was written by Stan. |
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