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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2018 13:23:09 GMT -5
Yea Stugotz gives no f***s Dan is 100% shill in regards to he knows how far to go and he's fine with it because he gets to talk shit as well and brag about it
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Post by Cyno on Apr 6, 2018 13:24:27 GMT -5
Yeah, Dan Le Batard is the original disruptor and he still does it to a degree. Along with the rest of the marching band to nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 14:22:10 GMT -5
Worst of all, they have a, you guessed it, a hot takes segment.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2018 14:26:21 GMT -5
Worst of all, they have a, you guessed it, a hot takes segment. Good lord this show sounds like a mess
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 6, 2018 14:30:46 GMT -5
Yeah I knew I was forgetting the obvious.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 6, 2018 17:26:48 GMT -5
The deal breaker to me is Jalen Rose. Who on earth thought putting this guy on TV for 3 hours was a good idea? Let's take the most obnoxious member of the Fab 5 and build an entire show around him.
Perhaps if this was on ESPN2 like Cold Pizza used to be it would be one thing. But this is on actual ESPN rather than regular Sportscenter.
To me the downfall of ESPN isn't so much that the network became obsessed with goofy debate/topic shows and hot takes, it's that they talk about the SAME STUFF all the time. For instance, anything and everything Tebow related. This worked in 2011 when Tebow and the Broncos went on that crazy fluke winning streak, so Skip Bayless waxing poetic about Tebow was sort of the cultural zeitgeist and had some relevancy. But then it became all RG3 all the time. And of course the constant Lebron crap that permeates all of their programming. Meanwhile there are entire major sports like MLB that barely got talked about at all. Or college basketball.
ESPN became totally obsessed with the NBA some years ago. But here's the reality: The NBA never has and never will be as popular as they think it is. It's never even really been the #2 sport in this country.
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Post by The Foreignerâ„¢ in Playoff Mode on Apr 6, 2018 17:59:16 GMT -5
To me the downfall of ESPN isn't so much that the network became obsessed with goofy debate/topic shows and hot takes, it's that they talk about the SAME STUFF all the time. Yeah, I think that's really the core problem that ESPN is facing. Part of it is because the network wants to emphasize the sports that air on ESPN networks (sometimes it's a sunk-cost bet since they have paid so much to get them), but there's only so much you can squeeze out of the same top stories over the same day. I watched a few hours of Get Up over the past week and I'll be the first to say I thought it was alright, but it is just another samey news/discussion show that I'm not compelled to follow closely. The "make up a straw hot take to analyze" segment is a confusing, unappealing experience. Hopefully for everyone's sake it will be discontinued.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 6, 2018 22:24:30 GMT -5
But here is the confusing part of that. ESPN does show stuff like college basketball or MLB. It's just that their talk and debate shows refuse to discuss it much, unless maybe it's NCAA tourney time or something nuts happens in the World Series (or GASP the Yankees make a run).
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Post by The Foreignerâ„¢ in Playoff Mode on Apr 6, 2018 23:58:45 GMT -5
But here is the confusing part of that. ESPN does show stuff like college basketball or MLB. True, but they do not have the playoff rights for men's NCAA basketball or MLB. In my opinion they do give those sports some discussion time, especially compared to the NHL which gets almost none. This might change if the Disney-20th Century Fox deal goes through and the Fox Sports regional networks end up becoming ESPN regional networks.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 9, 2018 8:53:22 GMT -5
Ha, Greeny is somehow even more milquetoast and nondescript on this show than his other one. It's laughable they expected Jalen and Michelle to be able to cover for him when they are just as bad They seem to be rotating various fat guys in the other seat
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 9, 2018 8:55:37 GMT -5
The 'Hot Takes' host seems incredibly punchable
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Post by domrep on Apr 9, 2018 10:24:15 GMT -5
The deal breaker to me is Jalen Rose. Who on earth thought putting this guy on TV for 3 hours was a good idea? Let's take the most obnoxious member of the Fab 5 and build an entire show around him. Perhaps if this was on ESPN2 like Cold Pizza used to be it would be one thing. But this is on actual ESPN rather than regular Sportscenter. To me the downfall of ESPN isn't so much that the network became obsessed with goofy debate/topic shows and hot takes, it's that they talk about the SAME STUFF all the time. For instance, anything and everything Tebow related. This worked in 2011 when Tebow and the Broncos went on that crazy fluke winning streak, so Skip Bayless waxing poetic about Tebow was sort of the cultural zeitgeist and had some relevancy. But then it became all RG3 all the time. And of course the constant Lebron crap that permeates all of their programming. Meanwhile there are entire major sports like MLB that barely got talked about at all. Or college basketball. ESPN became totally obsessed with the NBA some years ago. But here's the reality: The NBA never has and never will be as popular as they think it is. It's never even really been the #2 sport in this country. In like 10 years, I wouldn't be shocked if the NBA is the top sport in the US. It's definitely #2, anyone who tells you baseball is is still clinging to the past. NBA has surpassed baseball by a wide margin. Younger demographic, safer sport to play and in touch with the social issues that are going on now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 9, 2018 11:07:15 GMT -5
It's laughable they expected Jalen and Michelle to be able to cover for him when they are just as bad They seem to be rotating various fat guys in the other seat So Damien Woody then? On a side note how the f** he got fat again. He went from going on TV to lose weight and looked very slimmed down and the weight cane back a month later
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 9, 2018 12:04:41 GMT -5
Using what actual metric is the NBA bigger than MLB? I guess sometimes the Finals beat the World Series in the ratings these days, though I am not sure about how it went down last year with a 7 game WS and a snoozer Finals. In terms of revenues MLB brings in far more than the NBA (8.2 billion vs. 5.9 billion for 2017's seasons). I guess it is a bit safer to play basketball than baseball (mainly the thought of being beaned comes to mind). Both are safer than football, which for a variety of reasons could be in the start of a decline. I'm inclined to think baseball is actually MORE popular now than it was during the alleged Golden Era. There used to be teams that were horribly non competitive and did just hideous gate business (teams like the St. Louis Browns, the old Phillies teams, the A's after they collapsed). There were some seasons teams didn't even draw 100,000 for the entire season, haha. The Tampa Bay Rays did the worst attendance in the league last year but still drew 1.25 million fans. The Dodgers have drawn 3.7 million fans each of the past 5 years, so who would say the Lakers or Clippers are a bigger deal in the L.A. market? The Yankees drew 3.1 million fans last year. Are the Knicks remotely on that level in NYC? If we're talking Cleveland, I am a bit baffled by the Indians's mediocre attendance for such a good team (roughly 2 million fans, 11th in the AL), but that's still 5,000 more a game on avg. than what the Cavs did in 2017.
There's just no real metric that would indicate the NBA is the #2 sport in America, other than vague notions of media hype. And there's really zero chance of the NBA ever being #1 for a few reasons: 1) Too many crappy teams that have zero shot of ever winning anything and 2) Large segments of the country that prefer the college game.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 9, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -5
Baseball stadiums have way more capacity for attendance than basketball arenas. Going strictly by the numbers is a poor metric to use and short of empty stadiums, baseball is always going to beat out basketball there.
Overall attendance is also ALWAYS going to be tilted in baseball's favor, not just because of seating capacity, but because the baseball season has roughly twice as many regular season games as the basketball season. Comparing the Yankees and Knicks, Madison Square Garden's capacity is about 20,000 for basketball. Yankee Stadium's capacity is around 47,000. I don't think I need to tell you that 20,000 * 41 is going to be a much smaller number than 47,000 * 81. And not even Yankees games always sell out or if they do, people don't go for whatever reasons (poor weather, corporate seats, etc.). And in spite of the many, many years of mediocrity and mismanagement, the Knicks ALWAYS manage to sell out. I don't get it either, but the Knicks fans are loyal and that's in spite of a Knicks ticket somehow also being the most expensive ticket in the NBA.
Basketball might not be #2 yet, but it's growing exponentially while baseball is stagnant.
EDIT: I put the figures for the entire season versus just home games as Yankee Stadium and MSG are going to see only 81 and 41 games respectively instead of 162 and 82 games, but the point still stands.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 9, 2018 12:33:38 GMT -5
Using what actual metric is the NBA bigger than MLB? I guess sometimes the Finals beat the World Series in the ratings these days, though I am not sure about how it went down last year with a 7 game WS and a snoozer Finals. In terms of revenues MLB brings in far more than the NBA (8.2 billion vs. 5.9 billion for 2017's seasons). I guess it is a bit safer to play basketball than baseball (mainly the thought of being beaned comes to mind). Both are safer than football, which for a variety of reasons could be in the start of a decline. I'm inclined to think baseball is actually MORE popular now than it was during the alleged Golden Era. There used to be teams that were horribly non competitive and did just hideous gate business (teams like the St. Louis Browns, the old Phillies teams, the A's after they collapsed). There were some seasons teams didn't even draw 100,000 for the entire season, haha. The Tampa Bay Rays did the worst attendance in the league last year but still drew 1.25 million fans. The Dodgers have drawn 3.7 million fans each of the past 5 years, so who would say the Lakers or Clippers are a bigger deal in the L.A. market? The Yankees drew 3.1 million fans last year. Are the Knicks remotely on that level in NYC? If we're talking Cleveland, I am a bit baffled by the Indians's mediocre attendance for such a good team (roughly 2 million fans, 11th in the AL), but that's still 5,000 more a game on avg. than what the Cavs did in 2017. There's just no real metric that would indicate the NBA is the #2 sport in America, other than vague notions of media hype. And there's really zero chance of the NBA ever being #1 for a few reasons: 1) Too many crappy teams that have zero shot of ever winning anything and 2) Large segments of the country that prefer the college game. You realize Baseball stadiums are bigger than basketball arenas right?
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Post by Cyno on Apr 13, 2018 12:36:30 GMT -5
So it's been about 2 weeks today and I think, if anything, the show's gotten worse instead of better. Maybe I'm spoiled by The Jump, who do a really good analysis on NBA stuff and keep things in perspective without jumping head first into Hot Take City, but Get Up's look at the NBA playoffs was bad. Like they talked about how the Pacers winning the regular season series against the Cavs was something really significant while failing to mention that the regular season series was meaningless as all those wins were before the trade deadline when the Cavs became a completely different team.
Everyone's also become even more unlikable. Man, what the hell happened to Michelle Beadle? She used to be the fun one on SportsNation years ago. Did Colin Cowherd steal her soul before going to FS1?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 13, 2018 13:29:53 GMT -5
So it's been about 2 weeks today and I think, if anything, the show's gotten worse instead of better. Maybe I'm spoiled by The Jump, who do a really good analysis on NBA stuff and keep things in perspective without jumping head first into Hot Take City, but Get Up's look at the NBA playoffs was bad. Like they talked about how the Pacers winning the regular season series against the Cavs was something really significant while failing to mention that the regular season series was meaningless as all those wins were before the trade deadline when the Cavs became a completely different team. Everyone's also become even more unlikable. Man, what the hell happened to Michelle Beadle? She used to be the fun one on SportsNation years ago. Did Colin Cowherd steal her soul before going to FS1? This show will be re hauled 1000 times before they get it correct and even then as i've said before the 3 people you picked up as leads are unlikable in their own right In regards to Beadle she's been said since she came back to ESPN. The 1st time she was there she was great and then she went to NBC and it seems she lost her passion. Once she came to ESPN she's a shell of her former self and is quirky to be quirky or "be one of the boys". Cassidy Hubbart or Rachel Nichols are better for what they want in that role espcially when you start getting down to NBA talk
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Post by Cyno on Apr 13, 2018 15:10:12 GMT -5
Also, SportsNation has become more fun since Beadle left and Cari Champion took her place.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 13, 2018 16:48:24 GMT -5
The deal breaker to me is Jalen Rose. Who on earth thought putting this guy on TV for 3 hours was a good idea? Let's take the most obnoxious member of the Fab 5 and build an entire show around him. Perhaps if this was on ESPN2 like Cold Pizza used to be it would be one thing. But this is on actual ESPN rather than regular Sportscenter. To me the downfall of ESPN isn't so much that the network became obsessed with goofy debate/topic shows and hot takes, it's that they talk about the SAME STUFF all the time. For instance, anything and everything Tebow related. This worked in 2011 when Tebow and the Broncos went on that crazy fluke winning streak, so Skip Bayless waxing poetic about Tebow was sort of the cultural zeitgeist and had some relevancy. But then it became all RG3 all the time. And of course the constant Lebron crap that permeates all of their programming. Meanwhile there are entire major sports like MLB that barely got talked about at all. Or college basketball. ESPN became totally obsessed with the NBA some years ago. But here's the reality: The NBA never has and never will be as popular as they think it is. It's never even really been the #2 sport in this country. In like 10 years, I wouldn't be shocked if the NBA is the top sport in the US. It's definitely #2, anyone who tells you baseball is is still clinging to the past. NBA has surpassed baseball by a wide margin. Younger demographic, safer sport to play and in touch with the social issues that are going on now. Basketball is a safer sport than baseball? I love baseball, and I can say that you're standing still for most of it. Basketball, you're constantly moving, jumping up and down, you can snap ankles and blow out knees. Guys throwing their hands in your face, etc.
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