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Post by Cyno on Aug 7, 2017 13:27:27 GMT -5
Other guys who were apparently in the mix besides Cutler and Kaepernick: Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow.
Jesus.
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Post by Sicho100 on Aug 7, 2017 13:33:05 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are really overstating Cutler's badness. He's basically the definition of league-average - and his one year with Gase he was a little better than that. He's not a franchise savior or anything, but if the Dolphins were genuinely looking at who is available that would give them the best chance to win, it's basically Cutler or Kaepernick.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 13:43:20 GMT -5
DT and 5 time pro bowl Vince Wilfork retires
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 7, 2017 13:51:51 GMT -5
Other guys who were apparently in the mix besides Cutler and Kaepernick: Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow. Jesus. And people wonder why the Patriots are holding onto Jimmy G?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 7, 2017 13:57:35 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are really overstating Cutler's badness. He's basically the definition of league-average - and his one year with Gase he was a little better than that. He's not a franchise savior or anything, but if the Dolphins were genuinely looking at who is available that would give them the best chance to win, it's basically Cutler or Kaepernick. He was the best of a field of hot garbage. That's not high praise.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 14:04:34 GMT -5
Jets WR Quincy Enunwa placed on IR for neck injury
Hope all is well with him and it's a blow to the Jets are he broke out last year as a young receiver and i'm sure they was hoping he can continue that with a young core
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Post by Cyno on Aug 7, 2017 14:24:15 GMT -5
Looks like Vince Wilfork is calling it a career.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 14:28:44 GMT -5
How is Boldin always available? I know that he's nearing the end of his career but he brings toughness and produces pretty decent numbers everywhere that he goes.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 7, 2017 14:41:45 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are really overstating Cutler's badness. He's basically the definition of league-average - and his one year with Gase he was a little better than that. He's not a franchise savior or anything, but if the Dolphins were genuinely looking at who is available that would give them the best chance to win, it's basically Cutler or Kaepernick. I would consider Cutler below average. As the franchise quarterback his teams had below winning seasons, his teammates bury him once they leave for another city, he has been in the league forever but only once made the pro bowl. I think this is his last chance to save his legacy. Miami is pretty much a playoff team if he doesn't f*** it up he could keep the job.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 14:50:14 GMT -5
How is Boldin always available? I know that he's nearing the end of his career but he brings toughness and produces pretty decent numbers everywhere that he goes. For a guy who has an argument at a HOF career he's very underrated. He's been very consistent and you can trust on him as a player to always be in the right spot. It became apparent last year he's lost a step but he still caught almost 70 passes. Taking a closer look at his numbers in terms of all time he's 14th in yards and will pass Chris Carter this year and 9th in receptions and will pass TO this year.
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Post by BRV on Aug 7, 2017 16:28:26 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are really overstating Cutler's badness. He's basically the definition of league-average - and his one year with Gase he was a little better than that. He's not a franchise savior or anything, but if the Dolphins were genuinely looking at who is available that would give them the best chance to win, it's basically Cutler or Kaepernick. I would consider Cutler below average. As the franchise quarterback his teams had below winning seasons, his teammates bury him once they leave for another city, he has been in the league forever but only once made the pro bowl. I think this is his last chance to save his legacy. Miami is pretty much a playoff team if he doesn't f*** it up he could keep the job. Jay Cutler is fine. He's good enough to not steer the ship into the rocks but he's not good enough to get you to land safely, if you catch my drift. But the signing makes sense. In Cutler's one season in an Adam Gase offense, he had probably his best season, throwing for 3,629 yards, 21 touchdowns, a career-low (for a full season as a starter) 11 interceptions, 21 touchdown passes, and a career-best 92.3 rating. And this was without full seasons from Martellus Bennett or Alshon Jeffrey, as Cutler was throwing to the likes of Eddie Royal, Marc Mariani, Josh Bellamy, Marquess Wilson, Zach Miller. If the idea is to sign a quarterback who understands and can easily assimilate into a Gase system, Cutler's probably the best of the available options. He's got a better offensive line, better running back, and better receiving targets with the 2017 Dolphins than he had with the 2015 Bears. But Dolphins fans shouldn't fool themselves into thinking Cutler is going to be guiding them to Super Bowl LII. They had a much better chance with Ryan Tannehill and I've said my peace about Tannehill plenty of times now. As for Cutler only making one Pro Bowl, that's not a good way to judge a player's worth, as Andy Dalton is a three-time Pro Bowler, and, I mean, come on. It's Andy Dalton.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 16:37:14 GMT -5
I would consider Cutler below average. As the franchise quarterback his teams had below winning seasons, his teammates bury him once they leave for another city, he has been in the league forever but only once made the pro bowl. I think this is his last chance to save his legacy. Miami is pretty much a playoff team if he doesn't f*** it up he could keep the job. Jay Cutler is fine. He's good enough to not steer the ship into the rocks but he's not good enough to get you to land safely, if you catch my drift. But the signing makes sense. In Cutler's one season in an Adam Gase offense, he had probably his best season, throwing for 3,629 yards, 21 touchdowns, a career-low (for a full season as a starter) 11 interceptions, 21 touchdown passes, and a career-best 92.3 rating. And this was without full seasons from Martellus Bennett or Alshon Jeffrey, as Cutler was throwing to the likes of Eddie Royal, Marc Mariani, Josh Bellamy, Marquess Wilson, Zach Miller. If the idea is to sign a quarterback who understands and can easily assimilate into a Gase system, Cutler's probably the best of the available options. He's got a better offensive line, better running back, and better receiving targets with the 2017 Dolphins than he had with the 2015 Bears. But Dolphins fans shouldn't fool themselves into thinking Cutler is going to be guiding them to Super Bowl LII. They had a much better chance with Ryan Tannehill and I've said my peace about Tannehill plenty of times now. As for Cutler only making one Pro Bowl, that's not a good way to judge a player's worth, as Andy Dalton is a three-time Pro Bowler, and, I mean, come on. It's Andy Dalton. I will not have you besmirch the name of the red rocket Andy Dalton but yea people are overreacting on Cutler. He's fine as a one year replacement to keep the ship steady. He's not going to lead them to the championship but he will keep them competitive as they are average or above average on the other levels
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Post by Cyno on Aug 7, 2017 16:46:20 GMT -5
The thing with Cutler for me isn't his talent or his attitude, but his health. Gase has a better team in Miami than Cutler did in Chicago as of late, but you're replacing an injury-prone QB with an even more injury-prone QB. I don't even remember the last time Cutler actually had a full season.
At least they got Matt Moore who is one of the better backup QB's. Because I expect him to see some playing time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 7, 2017 17:14:27 GMT -5
I would consider Cutler below average. As the franchise quarterback his teams had below winning seasons, his teammates bury him once they leave for another city, he has been in the league forever but only once made the pro bowl. I think this is his last chance to save his legacy. Miami is pretty much a playoff team if he doesn't f*** it up he could keep the job. Jay Cutler is fine. He's good enough to not steer the ship into the rocks but he's not good enough to get you to land safely, if you catch my drift. But the signing makes sense. In Cutler's one season in an Adam Gase offense, he had probably his best season, throwing for 3,629 yards, 21 touchdowns, a career-low (for a full season as a starter) 11 interceptions, 21 touchdown passes, and a career-best 92.3 rating. And this was without full seasons from Martellus Bennett or Alshon Jeffrey, as Cutler was throwing to the likes of Eddie Royal, Marc Mariani, Josh Bellamy, Marquess Wilson, Zach Miller. If the idea is to sign a quarterback who understands and can easily assimilate into a Gase system, Cutler's probably the best of the available options. He's got a better offensive line, better running back, and better receiving targets with the 2017 Dolphins than he had with the 2015 Bears. But Dolphins fans shouldn't fool themselves into thinking Cutler is going to be guiding them to Super Bowl LII. They had a much better chance with Ryan Tannehill and I've said my peace about Tannehill plenty of times now. As for Cutler only making one Pro Bowl, that's not a good way to judge a player's worth, as Andy Dalton is a three-time Pro Bowler, and, I mean, come on. It's Andy Dalton. Those career high numbers are below average and Dalton is way better than Cutler. That being said yes Cutler was the best option out there in a really shitty crop of qb free agents. It's like getting the less threatening std, having it is nothing to brag about but you could do worse.
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Post by BRV on Aug 7, 2017 19:24:07 GMT -5
Those career high numbers are below average and Dalton is way better than Cutler. It's not about yards and touchdowns, though. A quarterback like Cutler who played on bad teams in Chicago and Denver can easily compile 4,000-yard seasons and 30 touchdown seasons when he's always playing from behind. Compiling numbers is not indicative of a quality quarterback, not to say that Cutler is a quality quarterback. But on a team like Miami, that'll look to guys like Jay Ajayi, Jarvis Landry, DeVante Parker, and Kenny Stills more than the quarterback, you just need someone under center who won't be a bonehead. And in his one season under Gase, Cutler reduced his interception numbers and had his best passer rating. The thing with Cutler for me isn't his talent or his attitude, but his health. Gase has a better team in Miami than Cutler did in Chicago as of late, but you're replacing an injury-prone QB with an even more injury-prone QB. I don't even remember the last time Cutler actually had a full season. At least they got Matt Moore who is one of the better backup QB's. Because I expect him to see some playing time. A lot of people were talking about Miami making "the leap" this season, as they were a 10-6 playoff team last season. But they were kind of a phony playoff team in 2016. They won nine of their final 11 games, but of those nine wins, they beat teams like Buffalo, the Jets, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Arizona. The only quality team they beat in that run was a banged-up Steelers team. When Miami played legitimate competition like the Ravens or Patriots, they got housed. I think Miami was either going to plateau or regress this season, almost exclusively because they have a tougher schedule. With Tannehill or Cutler, they're a 9-7 or 10-6 team. With Matt Moore, they're 8-8 or 7-9. They're fine, but regardless of who they had under center, they struck me as a borderline playoff team that would get shellacked in the Wild Card round.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 7, 2017 19:50:59 GMT -5
Ain't nobody leaping in the AFC East as long as Brady and Belichick got an iron grip on the division.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 19:52:29 GMT -5
Ain't nobody leaping in the AFC East as long as Brady and Belichick got an iron grip on the division. Pretty much. Best you can hope for is you somehow beat them in the playoffs like the Jets did with Rex Ryan 1st or 2nd year but none of the teams have a defense close to that team. Jets still have a good defense but CB's that you want to play man on man. Their front 4 tho is nasty
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 7, 2017 20:06:51 GMT -5
Hmm who to believe Goodell or Chris Carter
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2017 20:15:23 GMT -5
Hmm who to believe Goodell or Chris Carter Context
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2017 20:40:14 GMT -5
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