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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 21, 2017 15:28:48 GMT -5
Noticing how many of the final votes Ben got, I wonder if desi pointing out how he was looking for idols while the other four chilled at camp, changed the mind of the jury. Such an excellent point, and one that was mentioned on here a few times.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2017 15:30:00 GMT -5
Beyond disappointed with this season. Rigged? Absolutley. This whole season became a PSA for PTSD.(with all due respect.) some defenders of the season will say you can’t claim rigging with the idols because every time an idol is flushed out a new one is out there, and how Russell played that aspect of the game the same way. major difference is that there were no markers on rocks or anything that pretty much told you where the idol was. And the final 4 twist? Bull shit. Prost and Production had to know this wasn’t going to be perceived well and that’s why they’ll bring it back to cover up their real intentions of rigging. Devon got royally screwed. I actually want to give Ryan some props though. The jury seemed to perceive him as a goat but he worked his way to the finals.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2017 16:20:50 GMT -5
btw how do you guys seeing the Ghost Island gimmick happening? Like what does it all mean. Spot a fake idol from a real one?
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Post by King Boo on Dec 21, 2017 17:02:17 GMT -5
btw how do you guys seeing the Ghost Island gimmick happening? Like what does it all mean. Spot a fake idol from a real one? I think it's supposed to be something like the return of past twists/advantages/etc that messed up people's games and "haunts" them. JUST WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WANTING! MORE IDOLS, ADVANTAGES, TWISTS AND GIMMICKS!
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2017 17:14:59 GMT -5
btw how do you guys seeing the Ghost Island gimmick happening? Like what does it all mean. Spot a fake idol from a real one? I think it's supposed to be something like the return of past twists/advantages/etc that messed up people's games and "haunts" them. JUST WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WANTING! MORE IDOLS, ADVANTAGES, TWISTS AND GIMMICKS! I swear to god if that outcast twist makes a comeback...
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Post by King Boo on Dec 21, 2017 17:27:01 GMT -5
I think it's supposed to be something like the return of past twists/advantages/etc that messed up people's games and "haunts" them. JUST WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WANTING! MORE IDOLS, ADVANTAGES, TWISTS AND GIMMICKS! I swear to god if that outcast twist makes a comeback... Not sure where that would land. I read something about twists people messed up/used wrong, so maybe not? But I also heard a potential return of Exile Island so, really, who knows.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 21, 2017 17:35:35 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about not winning challenges. The challenges are the least important aspect of the game. What I *do* care about is how Ben's "game play" relied heavily on hidden idols and little else. When he no longer had an idol, he no longer had a shot... until the game gave him one.Devon had F3 all locked up by his own work and intelligence - no immunity, no twists - and got screwed all for a gimmick. And then they had the balls to shroud it in him "earning" his spot. He earned that all throughout the first 38 days and your "advantage" (which didn't serve to help the recipient or her allies at all) took it all away. A social game that requires strategic moves to be made is the game, not a hidden idol scavenger hunt. That's actually the part that I hated. The last IC Ben definitely should have had, but the upside down U and dropping again when he had everything finished would have been such a crazy way for him to go out. But then it just turns into another IC at Tribal. If they had explained the twist before the final IC, nobody would have cared at all because the stakes were so low. They took a great immunity challenge and rendered it essentially pointless, and the immunity necklace used to be the key to staying in the game now gets devalued because puzzles and physical challenges are equal to finding a box that says dig 6 inches above an idol.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2017 17:40:31 GMT -5
I swear to god if that outcast twist makes a comeback... Not sure where that would land. I read something about twists people messed up/used wrong, so maybe not? But I also heard a potential return of Exile Island so, really, who knows. also sounds like a good season for a final two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 18:12:47 GMT -5
The biggest twist they could do now is just have a classic season of "here's a bag of rice, go make camp. The only immunity idol is the one at the immunity challenge." I’m not a Survivor purist by any means, but having gone back earlier this year and watched the last two seasons I had missed (Marquesas and Thailand), it was really refreshing to have a show where it wasn’t all about looking in trees and digging in the dirt for a get out of bad gameplay free card. Those weren’t even great seasons, but after having sit through Game Changers and Advantagegeddeon, it was a real treat. And then this season came and got loaded down with almost double digit idols, and a brand new twist to save the production favorite at the last possible second... and I kind of hate Survivor right now. The show went from being about surviving, to being about scheming and plotting, to now just being about scavenger hunts to stick around every 3 days.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 21, 2017 18:22:22 GMT -5
Just an aside to once again proclaim that I love Thailand and think it's a hilarious season.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 21, 2017 18:44:05 GMT -5
Just an aside to once again proclaim that I love Thailand and think it's a hilarious season. "You get on my nerves, and I don't like being around you. Nothing personal."
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Post by King Boo on Dec 21, 2017 21:49:31 GMT -5
Just an aside to once again proclaim that I love Thailand and think it's a hilarious season. "You get on my nerves, and I don't like being around you. Nothing personal." Two B's, guys. Two B's.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Dec 21, 2017 22:09:04 GMT -5
Sorry for not quoting, I'm posting from my phone.
I have to agree when it comes to the immunity idols. I went back and binge-watched a few seasons after the current one peaked my interest and watching the seasons before the idols were introduced is SO refreshing and the idols, especially including their exponential growth, has changed the feeling of the show entirely. I don't mind the shift from a pure survival competition to a very social game. In fact, I think that shift was inevitable the way they run the show. Personally, I love watching the social games that all of them play, how they manage to get themselves through, and ultimately defend what they've done and how they played to the jury. I don't think I'd mind the idols if they had a limit of 1 per season and maybe even skipped seasons from time to time. This way people wouldn't necessarily expect them to definitely be present and the question of whether or not there even is one would more than likely lead to fewer people play the game by relying on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 6:17:44 GMT -5
The only way I’d be okay with idols at this point is if they cut it to one on each starting beach, and then one after the merge, with no re-hiding. Having 8/9 idols in one season was just... it was awful.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 22, 2017 10:32:42 GMT -5
If you had to choose though, wouldn't you rather an Outcast tribe, than redemption/exile island
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Post by fw91 on Dec 22, 2017 11:02:24 GMT -5
If you had to choose though, wouldn't you rather an Outcast tribe, than redemption/exile island No because the latter options still involve the elements and were announced ahead of time. Every contestant was on the up and up. You can strategize around that.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 22, 2017 19:06:30 GMT -5
Just watched the finale last night. My opinion of this season has gone waaaaayyy down, a shame considering my feelings on it were positive just a couple weeks ago. I guess I can't fault Ben for taking advantage of the bazillion idols layed out by production, but I will absolutely blame production for cheapening the game.
Glad to hear the appreciation for old school Survivor. Definitely not a Thailand fan, but Marquesas is one of my faves. Neleh should've been on Game Changers.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 22, 2017 20:35:02 GMT -5
Just watched the finale last night. My opinion of this season has gone waaaaayyy down, a shame considering my feelings on it were positive just a couple weeks ago. I guess I can't fault Ben for taking advantage of the bazillion idols layed out by prediction, but I will absolutely blame production for cheapening the game. Glad to hear the appreciation for old school Survivor. Definitely not a Thailand fan, but Marquesas is one of my faves. Neleh should've been on Game Changers. The Amazon is one of my favorite seasons
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 23, 2017 10:40:10 GMT -5
Just watched the finale last night. My opinion of this season has gone waaaaayyy down, a shame considering my feelings on it were positive just a couple weeks ago. I guess I can't fault Ben for taking advantage of the bazillion idols layed out by prediction, but I will absolutely blame production for cheapening the game. Glad to hear the appreciation for old school Survivor. Definitely not a Thailand fan, but Marquesas is one of my faves. Neleh should've been on Game Changers. The Amazon is one of my favorite seasons What I love about Amazon is that the editors go out of their way to paint everyone in an unfavorable light. Even the ones who would be portrayed as the "nice" people on any other season like Butch or Christy are given enough content to show they may be unhinged or difficult to live with. It's hilarious.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 23, 2017 10:47:30 GMT -5
The Amazon is one of my favorite seasons What I love about Amazon is that the editors go out of their way to paint everyone in an unfavorable light. Even the ones who would be portrayed as the "nice" people on any other season like Butch or Christy are given enough content to show they may be unhinged or difficult to live with. It's hilarious. don't forget about Hedi's jury speech
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