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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 19, 2017 22:35:14 GMT -5
They did this feud in reverse, so they have to figure out how to make normal Finn Balor into a mythical force itself, while ignoring the fact that Bray beat normal Finn like a drum the week before Summerslam. It's what happens when you have no long-term plan and write the show week to week with no clue what the consequences or follow-up will be until something has already happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 22:38:12 GMT -5
They did this feud in reverse, so they have to figure out how to make normal Finn Balor into a mythical force itself, while ignoring the fact that Bray beat normal Finn like a drum the week before Summerslam. Keep saying it but the whole thing just reminds me of, "Yeah, Orton beat Cena clean in a TLC match to unify the World and WWE titles, but cna he retain in a TRADITIONAL MATCH?!" Just completely ass-backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 22:45:22 GMT -5
I just accept that Balor is probably good for kids. He's a A-grade dork and the "you won't like me when I have paint on my face" is asinine through my cynical grown up eyes but it's probably cool to kids. I haven't really cared about much of what he does since the very start so I'll let someone else have him. He seems to be over so that's fine.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Sept 19, 2017 22:50:01 GMT -5
I still view the paint as an intimidation tactic, like the Haka or something like that.
it was relatively ambiguous for a long time, so my view made sense. Lately I've been putting my fingers in my ears and saying "la la la la", so I've heard nothing to contradict my (much more sensible) view.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 19, 2017 22:50:22 GMT -5
I just accept that Balor is probably good for kids. He's a A-grade dork and the "you won't like me when I have paint on my face" is asinine through my cynical grown up eyes but it's probably cool to kids. I haven't really cared about much of what he does since the very start so I'll let someone else have him. He seems to be over so that's fine. *battle royale erupts over possession of Balor... or is to be possessed BY Balor...?*
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 19, 2017 22:51:25 GMT -5
They did this feud in reverse, so they have to figure out how to make normal Finn Balor into a mythical force itself, while ignoring the fact that Bray beat normal Finn like a drum the week before Summerslam. Keep saying it but the whole thing just reminds me of, "Yeah, Orton beat Cena clean in a TLC match to unify the World and WWE titles, but cna he retain in a TRADITIONAL MATCH?!" Just completely ass-backwards. Or CM Punk facing Brock Lesnar first in his feud with Paul Heyman, but then having to go through Curtis Axel and Ryback months afterward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 22:58:25 GMT -5
I just accept that Balor is probably good for kids. He's a A-grade dork and the "you won't like me when I have paint on my face" is asinine through my cynical grown up eyes but it's probably cool to kids. I haven't really cared about much of what he does since the very start so I'll let someone else have him. He seems to be over so that's fine. *battle royale erupts over possession of Balor... or is to be possessed BY Balor...?* Who needs a battle royale? Do you want him? I just wanna get rid of him already.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 19, 2017 23:00:55 GMT -5
*battle royale erupts over possession of Balor... or is to be possessed BY Balor...?* Who needs a battle royale? Do you want him? I just wanna get rid of him already. Not against you, I just know there are several other Balor fans who might want him *coughcough @dax *
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 19, 2017 23:39:32 GMT -5
I'm so over this feud. So f***ing over it.
I also presumed he was talking about Bray in that promo but...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 23:42:05 GMT -5
I'm so over this feud. So f***ing over it. I also presumed he was talking about Bray in that promo but... That's what I thought too at first, that he was accusing Bray of the same sort of false magical figure thing Bray's been saying about him, but of course then it had to turn into, "I'm a huge nerd, BE AFRAID!"
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Post by vinnysimmo on Sept 19, 2017 23:52:03 GMT -5
It thought it was a good promo. It gave Balor an actual backstory.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 20, 2017 0:00:37 GMT -5
They did this feud in reverse, so they have to figure out how to make normal Finn Balor into a mythical force itself, while ignoring the fact that Bray beat normal Finn like a drum the week before Summerslam. Which then, after Balor won in the paint, put them in the corner of "Now people think Balor can only win big matches when he's in the paint", so now he's probably going to win here as normal Balor to cancel out that original loss.
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Post by King Devitt on Sept 20, 2017 4:21:09 GMT -5
I hear ya Nisidhe. At least he's still pretty to look at. I wasn't listening, what was Finn talking about? Something about a man.... and then he smiled all devious and sexy-like... it all gets foggy from there. I just accept that Balor is probably good for kids. He's a A-grade dork and the "you won't like me when I have paint on my face" is asinine through my cynical grown up eyes but it's probably cool to kids. I haven't really cared about much of what he does since the very start so I'll let someone else have him. He seems to be over so that's fine. *battle royale erupts over possession of Balor... or is to be possessed BY Balor...?* *starts taking off earrings and high heels*
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Post by Ash Kingston on Sept 20, 2017 6:04:45 GMT -5
I... thought the feud made sense. Wyatt beat Balor before SummerSlam, but then lost to Balor while he was all Demon'd up. So Bray calling him out for not being able to beat him without the paint (which is true at the moment!) is naturally gonna hit a sensitive spot. Heck, I'd argue that a lot of Wyatt's feuds revolve around the idea of stripping away the illusions of others being anything other than just deeply flawed 'men', hiding their faults behind masks (Kane), paint (Balor), or the way they present themselves (Cena, Ambrose, I guess the New Day?). They're not the people the fans should be following, he is.
It's just been handled really poorly, at least since he started going more supernatural.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 20, 2017 6:35:53 GMT -5
I... thought the feud made sense. Wyatt beat Balor before SummerSlam, but then lost to Balor while he was all Demon'd up. So Bray calling him out for not being able to beat him without the paint (which is true at the moment!) is naturally gonna hit a sensitive spot. Heck, I'd argue that a lot of Wyatt's feuds revolve around the idea of stripping away the illusions of others being anything other than just deeply flawed 'men', hiding their faults behind masks (Kane), paint (Balor), or the way they present themselves (Cena, Ambrose, I guess the New Day?). They're not the people the fans should be following, he is. It's just been handled really poorly, at least since he started going more supernatural. I was actually hoping that Finn would touch on the fact he doesn't NEED the paint to do some of the tricks he can do as the Demon. He telelported to the ring with just his jacket one time, right? Were this a cartoon I would have a scene in there where Wyatt is fighting Finn and winning, and Balor just wanting to erupt out and attack. Cue cool and creepy SFX of Finn shifting back and forth, fighting "himself" and Wyatt at the same time.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 20, 2017 7:40:23 GMT -5
Yeah the Wyatt/Balor Raw match before SS was one of the more ill advised and damaging matches I've seen of late. It basically set the framework of "Balor sucks as himself, but is invincible as The Demon." The Demon should be something special he busts out when someone REALLY pisses him off, not when he desperately needs a victory. They could have accomplished far more by just having Wyatt attack Balor, lay him out, and dump the blood liquid all over him.
Now that they have set up this framework for a feud, Balor has to win on Sunday. If he doesn't he is so totally buried that I don't know what to do with him. I'm not even sure where he goes on Raw anyway, given how loaded the top of the card is. Balor is someone who desperately needs to be traded to SD, where there are some interesting possibilities for him (Styles, Nakamura, Owens, etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 9:58:35 GMT -5
Keep saying it but the whole thing just reminds me of, "Yeah, Orton beat Cena clean in a TLC match to unify the World and WWE titles, but cna he retain in a TRADITIONAL MATCH?!" Just completely ass-backwards. Or CM Punk facing Brock Lesnar first in his feud with Paul Heyman, but then having to go through Curtis Axel and Ryback months afterward. Oh god. Punk vs. Lesnar is one of my favorite matches of all time, but Punk vs. Heyman/Axel/Ryback (fall 2013 in general, really) was so damn boring I think I stopped watching for a couple months.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 9:59:29 GMT -5
Yeah the Wyatt/Balor Raw match before SS was one of the more ill advised and damaging matches I've seen of late. It basically set the framework of "Balor sucks as himself, but is invincible as The Demon." The Demon should be something special he busts out when someone REALLY pisses him off, not when he desperately needs a victory. They could have accomplished far more by just having Wyatt attack Balor, lay him out, and dump the blood liquid all over him. Now that they have set up this framework for a feud, Balor has to win on Sunday. If he doesn't he is so totally buried that I don't know what to do with him. I'm not even sure where he goes on Raw anyway, given how loaded the top of the card is. Balor is someone who desperately needs to be traded to SD, where there are some interesting possibilities for him (Styles, Nakamura, Owens, etc.). It's weird when I really don't much care for either guy, but I think the most intriguing scenario SmackDown has for that case for me is Balor / Orton.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 20, 2017 10:09:16 GMT -5
Yeah the Wyatt/Balor Raw match before SS was one of the more ill advised and damaging matches I've seen of late. It basically set the framework of "Balor sucks as himself, but is invincible as The Demon." The Demon should be something special he busts out when someone REALLY pisses him off, not when he desperately needs a victory. They could have accomplished far more by just having Wyatt attack Balor, lay him out, and dump the blood liquid all over him. Yes. This, so much this. There are ways to set up a blood feud match besides letting a heel get a formal match victory. Hell, they could have blown off the feud with Elias at the same time by having Balor beat Elias, _then_ during the victory give us the "DEH" and then Wyatt out of nowhere (possibly with help from Elias) attacks and gives Finn his sexy, sexy strawberry-sauce-with-cocoa-powder-added bath. There are many reasons why Balor deserves to be, and why WWE is best served by having him, on the _Raw_ roster. While the shoulder injury derailed their original plans for him, there was no reason why his arc, since returning, couldn't have eventually led back to the Universal title. That may still be in their plans, but at the moment, the picture looks quite bleak for him. It's true that Finn needs to put Wyatt away by the end of this feud, but it feels as though his entire booking arc hangs on whether or not he wins on Sunday. Perhaps some might see this as genius, banking on fans wanting to see how the match unfolds, but we've long ago lost any hope of the creative team operating outside the whims of Vince McMahon treating the roster like a bunch of action figures standing around for his amusement only. If Balor wins on Sunday, the feud is saved and can then proceed to throw everything plus the kitchen sink into it as Wyatt undergoes Extinction Burst #14. If he doesn't, he's Raw's new answer to Sami Zayn.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 20, 2017 10:38:16 GMT -5
I look at Wyatt feuds like his opponents a having a series of bad dreams and we get to observe through a dream machine that cost us a piece our souls to view it.
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