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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 17:59:24 GMT -5
And now Sylvester Stallone is being accused of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl back in the 1980s I think at this point, this should just become the one all-encompassing thread for this. Its basically become that way already. Joe Neglia has gotten on us repeatedly. We must make new threads.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Nov 16, 2017 18:41:39 GMT -5
Al Franken is a US Senator so it will probably linger even if she already accepted his apology. And that's all I'm going to say about that as we're already flirting with the "no politics" rule because of Franken's position as a senator. Didn't mean to open a can of worms
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 16, 2017 21:41:41 GMT -5
And now Sylvester Stallone is being accused of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl back in the 1980s I think at this point, this should just become the one all-encompassing thread for this. Its basically become that way already. Joe Neglia has gotten on us repeatedly. We must make new threads. Yes, as much as it sucks that this is a bit overwhelming, I feel it's a disservice to the victims and to the very notion of the situation that we lump them all together in one corner. This is...honestly, this is big. To shunt it all off to one thread normalizes and trivializes it too much. We're seeing pop culture, the basis of this board, imploding, from movies to the tv industry to musicians to even comic creators. Rounding them all up in one easy-to-digest internment news camp doesn't let those of us on who have supported, funded and lived and breathed this stuff realize how massive it is, and as depressing as it all is, it won't change until we start really seeing how massive it is.
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Post by lionheart21 on Nov 18, 2017 11:30:29 GMT -5
Joe Neglia has gotten on us repeatedly. We must make new threads. Yes, as much as it sucks that this is a bit overwhelming, I feel it's a disservice to the victims and to the very notion of the situation that we lump them all together in one corner. This is...honestly, this is big. To shunt it all off to one thread normalizes and trivializes it too much. We're seeing pop culture, the basis of this board, imploding, from movies to the tv industry to musicians to even comic creators. Rounding them all up in one easy-to-digest internment news camp doesn't let those of us on who have supported, funded and lived and breathed this stuff realize how massive it is, and as depressing as it all is, it won't change until we start really seeing how massive it is. That's understandable, thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 13, 2017 18:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 23:46:44 GMT -5
This properly upset me reading it. I love that film too, I'm so glad it got to be made (huge respect for Ed Norton through this too) but it's tainted now knowing what Salma Hayek had to go through to make it.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 13, 2017 23:57:31 GMT -5
It's telling that perpetrator after perpretator is outted and the heat rightfully comes back to Jabba The Hutt.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 14, 2017 0:15:23 GMT -5
It's telling that perpetrator after perpretator is outted and the heat rightfully comes back to Jabba The Hutt. I'm sure right now some PR team in Hollywood is wondering if they have a spare Sarlacc Pit to kick a few people into.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2017 12:57:39 GMT -5
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Post by Shai on Dec 15, 2017 13:00:31 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 15, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
I wonder if either of them could sue for damages, given Peter can back them up on this being a lost career opportunity due to Harvey's bullshit.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2017 16:06:41 GMT -5
They've both been working consistently for years so it would be hard to prove their careers had been killed. They may not have become a-list stars, but I doubt they were ever going to be anyway.
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Post by Cela on Dec 15, 2017 17:13:27 GMT -5
They've both been working consistently for years so it would be hard to prove their careers had been killed. They may not have become a-list stars, but I doubt they were ever going to be anyway. Considering the story is right after they had their most successful parts of their career, and fell to significantly lower profile roles... it stands to reason that they were negatively affected. And being an A-Lister in Hollywood is for the most part not based on talent, but push. They got jobbed out after main eventing.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 15, 2017 18:39:15 GMT -5
Sorvino isn't crazy, has a famous dad, and an Oscar.
But outside of her Woody Allen movie, Mimic, Romy & Michelle, and maybe The Replacement Killers, she never did anything big after the 90s.
I really do think Weinstein sandbagged her.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2017 19:25:44 GMT -5
Sorvino isn't crazy, has a famous dad, and an Oscar. But outside of her Woody Allen movie, Mimic, Romy & Michelle, and maybe The Replacement Killers, she never did anything big after the 90s. I really do think Weinstein sandbagged her. Considering where she is now compared to where she was then, that seems to be a pretty good conclusion to take. Like, you don’t get passed for Lord of the Rings when people really wanted you on there for no reason whatsoever.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2017 5:05:57 GMT -5
They've both been working consistently for years so it would be hard to prove their careers had been killed. They may not have become a-list stars, but I doubt they were ever going to be anyway. Considering the story is right after they had their most successful parts of their career, and fell to significantly lower profile roles... it stands to reason that they were negatively affected. And being an A-Lister in Hollywood is for the most part not based on talent, but push. They got jobbed out after main eventing. Not really. Mira Sorvino was never a main eventer at any part of her career, and neither was Ashley Judd.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2017 5:23:09 GMT -5
Considering the story is right after they had their most successful parts of their career, and fell to significantly lower profile roles... it stands to reason that they were negatively affected. And being an A-Lister in Hollywood is for the most part not based on talent, but push. They got jobbed out after main eventing. Not really. Mira Sorvino was never a main eventer at any part of her career, and neither was Ashley Judd. I feel like you're really close to understanding the implications of what happened especially considering where both of them ended up in their careers after coming out against Harvey. Like, if you get brought in, see storyboards, props etc and get to choose your own role and then suddenly get told you're not getting it and couldn't get anything near as big afterwards...that's not because they're not a big enough star to support it, that's plain sabotage. With how Harvey's influence was in the industry, that could have massive implications.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2017 5:42:07 GMT -5
Last time I'm going to state this: please leave people's political viewpoints out of the discussion. However you feel about the beliefs of the people involved here, if it doesn't directly tie into the main subject, it shouldn't be brought up here.
And once again, my own personal opinions have nothing to do with this statement. I am simply making note of the rules.
Are we clear? Ok. Carry on.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2017 9:37:19 GMT -5
Not really. Mira Sorvino was never a main eventer at any part of her career, and neither was Ashley Judd. I feel like you're really close to understanding the implications of what happened especially considering where both of them ended up in their careers after coming out against Harvey. Like, if you get brought in, see storyboards, props etc and get to choose your own role and then suddenly get told you're not getting it and couldn't get anything near as big afterwards...that's not because they're not a big enough star to support it, that's plain sabotage. With how Harvey's influence was in the industry, that could have massive implications. His influence could gave have had an affect, but I'm not convinced it was as significant as they may be implying. They would have had respectable careers, which I think they did anyway, but they were never going be anything more than supporting actresses or moderately successful leads in smaller, lower budget films in the long term.
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Post by eJm on Dec 16, 2017 9:41:24 GMT -5
I feel like you're really close to understanding the implications of what happened especially considering where both of them ended up in their careers after coming out against Harvey. Like, if you get brought in, see storyboards, props etc and get to choose your own role and then suddenly get told you're not getting it and couldn't get anything near as big afterwards...that's not because they're not a big enough star to support it, that's plain sabotage. With how Harvey's influence was in the industry, that could have massive implications. His influence could gave have had an affect, but I'm not convinced it was as significant as they may be implying. They would have had respectable careers, which I think they did anyway, but they were never going be anything more than supporting actresses or moderately successful leads in the long term. You might be right. At the same time, this was a guy who had a wide line of influence and practically told a bunch of big productions that these two were blacklisted for no real reason. Like, it doesn't matter if they weren't ever going to be any more than they were, this is essentially sabotaging careers to save your own ass. Again, you don't get dropped from a big production that could springboard you to higher heights for no good reason.
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