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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 6, 2017 5:07:58 GMT -5
Well, there will be a lot of moments on WWE TV that will come back to haunt him.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 6, 2017 5:18:10 GMT -5
Well, there will be a lot of moments on WWE TV that will come back to haunt him. Your signature image is a perfect response to this thread.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 6, 2017 6:34:49 GMT -5
A while back, Shelly Martinez made a similar accusation out of nowhere. It was only a short while before Weinstein faced the music. Thinking back to it now, I feel silly for dismissing what she said out of hand.
I still think she was only looking for attention, but I can imagine that it's very difficult for the women and men who have been coerced by Vince and others to come out and say so. That's what this whole scandal has been proving for weeks now: it's not easy to come out and put a name and a face and give details to rumors and innuendo that everyone is aware of. I can't imagine that it's easy for a superstar, who has to maintain a certain image, who has a brand based on young fans looking up to them, admitting that 'I gave sexual favors in exchange for success.' I also imagine, of course, that it's not easy to come forward and say that Vince assaulted you and you turned him down and ran out of the room and that's why your career didn't go so well. There is strength in numbers but I don't know that enough would ever be able to join together.
I do think it's weird that no one said anything back when Linda was running for senate. That seems like a perfect time. But that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. The fact that no one is willing to be the public face of these rumors doesn't mean there isn't any truth there.
So... that's what I've learned. I hope WWE has cleaned up its act because it's a public company and because of Linda's relative importance. I have no idea though. People knew about Weinstein and Spacey for years and, for years, nothing happened to them.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 6, 2017 6:54:21 GMT -5
A while back, Shelly Martinez made a similar accusation out of nowhere. It was only a short while before Weinstein faced the music. Thinking back to it now, I feel silly for dismissing what she said out of hand. I still think she was only looking for attention, but I can imagine that it's very difficult for the women and men who have been coerced by Vince and others to come out and say so. That's what this whole scandal has been proving for weeks now: it's not easy to come out and put a name and a face and give details to rumors and innuendo that everyone is aware of. I can't imagine that it's easy for a superstar, who has to maintain a certain image, who has a brand based on young fans looking up to them, admitting that 'I gave sexual favors in exchange for success.' I also imagine, of course, that it's not easy to come forward and say that Vince assaulted you and you turned him down and ran out of the room and that's why your career didn't go so well. There is strength in numbers but I don't know that enough would ever be able to join together. I do think it's weird that no one said anything back when Linda was running for senate. That seems like a perfect time. But that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. The fact that no one is willing to be the public face of these rumors doesn't mean there isn't any truth there. So... that's what I've learned. I hope WWE has cleaned up its act because it's a public company and because of Linda's relative importance. I have no idea though. People knew about Weinstein and Spacey for years and, for years, nothing happened to them. Between the kids and the legal team, it's nearly certain that Vince has been impressed upon to rein in any hint of impropriety. Bill DeMott was removed rather quickly after the allegations of abuse at the PC were made public. WWE is keenly aware that, as king of the mountain financially, it's also wearing a huge target on its back. That said, the company can't possibly keep a lid on _every_ employee or executive, and may not be fully aware of _everything_ that can be construed as sexual misconduct, harassment, etc. by media outlets willing to hunt the company to ground.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 6, 2017 7:00:58 GMT -5
It's worth bearing in mind that all the people so far accused have been dropped by people higher than them, or by people equally as high who've decided to walk away from doing business with them. Spacey got dropped by the people making his biggest show, and by his agent. These are people who don't need to even exert pressure, they just make a decision and he's got to live with the consequences of his actions. Vince isn't only the king of his castle he's the kind of the entire business. He also comes from an "old" time and possesses a strange lack of shame by all accounts, so I can see him trying to just duck underground for a few months. It'll take sponsors twisting his arm to get him out of that position. Vince is accountable to shareholders, TV channels and advertisers. He would be screwed if something like this leaked.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 6, 2017 7:09:01 GMT -5
A while back, Shelly Martinez made a similar accusation out of nowhere. It was only a short while before Weinstein faced the music. Thinking back to it now, I feel silly for dismissing what she said out of hand. I still think she was only looking for attention, but I can imagine that it's very difficult for the women and men who have been coerced by Vince and others to come out and say so. That's what this whole scandal has been proving for weeks now: it's not easy to come out and put a name and a face and give details to rumors and innuendo that everyone is aware of. I can't imagine that it's easy for a superstar, who has to maintain a certain image, who has a brand based on young fans looking up to them, admitting that 'I gave sexual favors in exchange for success.' I also imagine, of course, that it's not easy to come forward and say that Vince assaulted you and you turned him down and ran out of the room and that's why your career didn't go so well. There is strength in numbers but I don't know that enough would ever be able to join together. I do think it's weird that no one said anything back when Linda was running for senate. That seems like a perfect time. But that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. The fact that no one is willing to be the public face of these rumors doesn't mean there isn't any truth there. So... that's what I've learned. I hope WWE has cleaned up its act because it's a public company and because of Linda's relative importance. I have no idea though. People knew about Weinstein and Spacey for years and, for years, nothing happened to them. Between the kids and the legal team, it's nearly certain that Vince has been impressed upon to rein in any hint of impropriety. Bill DeMott was removed rather quickly after the allegations of abuse at the PC were made public. WWE is keenly aware that, as king of the mountain financially, it's also wearing a huge target on its back. That said, the company can't possibly keep a lid on _every_ employee or executive, and may not be fully aware of _everything_ that can be construed as sexual misconduct, harassment, etc. by media outlets willing to hunt the company to ground. It's interesting that in a business where so many people have axes to grind, that nobody's really chomping at the bit to personally destroy Vince.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 6, 2017 13:54:37 GMT -5
It's worth bearing in mind that all the people so far accused have been dropped by people higher than them, or by people equally as high who've decided to walk away from doing business with them. Spacey got dropped by the people making his biggest show, and by his agent. These are people who don't need to even exert pressure, they just make a decision and he's got to live with the consequences of his actions. Vince isn't only the king of his castle he's the kind of the entire business. He also comes from an "old" time and possesses a strange lack of shame by all accounts, so I can see him trying to just duck underground for a few months. It'll take sponsors twisting his arm to get him out of that position. Vince is accountable to shareholders, TV channels and advertisers. He would be screwed if something like this leaked. But he doesn't have anyone over him, that's the thing. It's one thing when a bunch of people pull away from Weinstein over his shit, or when Netflix decided to shitcan House of Cards; these are positions coming from people in positions of relative power. Netflix can just make another critically acclaimed drama instead, Kevin Smith can work with another producer instead. There's losses involved there, but they're losses that can be made easily and pack a big public punch. The problem with Vince and the idea of scandal forcing him out is that it's not as quick a move to pull away from him since he's at the top of the ladder. Like I'm not saying it can't happen, but the McMahons already hold the majority of the shares would Universal really be in a position where it can afford to drop the only thing keeping its network numbers up? There is a chance Vince could try to weather the storm, and of anyone in show business Vince is the one who stands a chance at being able to do it. I really don't mean this in a good way.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 6, 2017 14:35:33 GMT -5
All it will take is a little bit of mainstream attention to get the shareholders to kick Vince out,as with Hogan and DeMott you have seen WWE be proactive to nip any unwanted attention in the bud.
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Post by anglarite on Nov 6, 2017 15:31:24 GMT -5
I'm actually wondering if they are dumb enough to make an angle of it in this climate, and who will be the poor guy whose career it will actually destroy.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 6, 2017 15:31:37 GMT -5
All it will take is a little bit of mainstream attention to get the shareholders to kick Vince out,as with Hogan and DeMott you have seen WWE be proactive to nip any unwanted attention in the bud. There is currently no way for shareholders of WWE's common stock to force the ouster of Vince or of anyone else. The voting stock held by the McMahon family, for some reason, becomes non-voting common stock upon its sale outside the family. What I can see happening, however, in such a scenario as Vince being accused of misconduct, _might_ be an investigation by the SEC into the stock situation and its effects on protecting those responsible for wrongdoing. It might not get very far, given the current government, but let it drag out long enough and it could get very, very warm for the Board of Directors.
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Post by segaz on Nov 6, 2017 20:30:14 GMT -5
I don't think this is true. Yes, some fans would, but what part of the wrestling industry would? WWE IS the wrestling industry and the only part of it Vince cares about. Any other part of the industry that would "take him back" wouldn't matter. I also highly doubt Vince would even care to be involved with the industry at that point. And to point to the Hogan BS, look at how the industry has treated Hogan since that happened. He's not even returned to TNA. He's not done anything in wrestling that is even worth pointing to. Its a different world now. 15-20 years ago it'd be a lot different, espc considering the content WWE was putting out which would allow some defenders to say "Oh yeah but look at all the deevers on da Playboy maggazeen", but now? Vince would be toxic. There's always going to be a segment of fans of anything that still lionize awful people after their skeletons are revealed. ? You don't have to think it's true, I still stick by my statement. This isn't an argument or debate I'm stating my comments. The wrestling industry and its fans as a majority haven't changed enough or are they mature enough to say "ok this is too far" when it comes to things like this. The Hogan situation proved it, hell you've got people still making gay jokes every once in a while. It is what it is. Keep thinking they are all you want but that's not changing my comments. As for Hogan, they've already been putting him in exerts and mentioning his name. Even WON mentioned it one time stating that the company is waiting for a time to bring him back. That's just how this company is. If you think they're not like that the think they aren't. That's got nothing to do with me. I don't know, I think they're more likely to treat sexual molestation more seriously than verbal racist remarks
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Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 7, 2017 13:48:22 GMT -5
I got it! Exploding Limo Angle!!!
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Post by benstudd on Nov 8, 2017 0:00:45 GMT -5
That might be the one name out of this whole entertainment sexual assault rise that I don't have a response towards. I don't know what'll happen but I get a feeling the company, most wrestling fans and the wrestling industry around the world would sweep it under the rug. Hell, even if the entertainment industry lit a fire under the WWE I doubt they'd change anything. Wrestling fans and the wrestling industry are too loyal. Vince could kill someone and he'd still be welcomed back as sad and pathetic as that is. After that Hogan bullshit and seeing people welcome him back I wouldn't be surprised. It would be impossible to sweep it under the rug if something like Weinstein was levied at Vince. Wrestling fans and the "wrestling industry" don't matter in this regard. Kevin Spacey still has supporters right now, do you think Netflix is giving a crap about what they think when they cancelled one of their anchor shows? It's advertisers and stockholders that matter and with WWE, USA Network matters the most because their bread and butter is still the TV deal. I guarantee you if enough noise was made, WWE would lose sponsors immediately and USA almost certainly have an outclause in their deal with WWE for things like this (Id be shocked if they didnt after Benoit) and could threaten the TV deal. It would be bad for Vince, but WWE would survive. Just as its bad for Weinstein (who was once thought untouchable) and Spacey. WWE has positioned themselves in the entertainment industry for years now. WWE Films etc, would all be potentially adversely affected. It's not 1985 anymore. It's pretty clear what would happen. Vince is in his 70s now. He'd likely step down and Stephanie would be named in his place. Vince would continue to have influence in the background because he's Vince, but he wouldnt have direct leverage in the legal respect. Difference is, Weinstein barely had control of his own movie studio and his brother was not his ally to begin with and he turned on him. Vince owns basically the wrestling industry. And the WWE is his whatever things that happened with countless wrestlers, he always managed to keep the lid on it. Hell look at the way he is using Warrior to promote the whole breast cancer initiative. It's hilarious how wrong it is and nobody has ever questioned it in the media, regardless what Warrior has said in the past. But I think a big reason for this is that nobody in the media really care about wrestling.
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Post by 111111 on Nov 8, 2017 5:58:14 GMT -5
Didn't Nailz once accuse Vince of sexual misconduct?
Or did I imagine that?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 8, 2017 6:06:58 GMT -5
Didn't Nailz once accuse Vince of sexual misconduct? Or did I imagine that? he did but Nailz was a f***ing kook who would say anything to get back at Vince. you have to take anything he days with a tablespoon of salt.
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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on Nov 8, 2017 6:22:35 GMT -5
Stephanie McMahon: People are trying to destroy my father, but he won't let it happen, just like America didn't let itself get destroyed by 9/11. Steph defending her father's sexual harassment would be the cringiest and yet the most McMahon thing ever.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Nov 8, 2017 8:59:27 GMT -5
I mean all someone has to do is look at his Wikipedia and see the allegations. Honestly all it would take is one writer to talk to one of the women that accused him and his ass would be toast.
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