Alexa Is Raw's Jinder Mahal? Hell No!

[A Platypus Rave]

Nov 14, 2017 15:53:33 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Nov 14, 2017 15:51:58 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Just looking Alexa's recent her win loss record she seems to mostly lose non title matches... (And a few title matches via dq/count out)

which isn't far off from how Charlotte was booked.

Right, but Charlotte had an equal.  Who's been booked anything close to Alexa's?

Sasha was never really treated like her equal.

She was treated like a choke artist because she couldn't defend the damned belt.

As I said earlier Alexa was moved to Raw in the first place because they f***ed up both Bayley and Sasha's face runs. Since they wanted to get them away from Charlotte and have a strong heel to build a face up to.

They then proceeded to change nothing (Save for the hot potatoing the titles and stop declaring everything historic) and ended up in the same place.

[RadcapRadsley]

Alexa movies a ton of merch,get's good fan reaction and is by a wide margin the best on the Mic of the Women on Raw. One can reasonably make a case she might be booked too strong,but it's hard to argue against her as Champ or being a constant in the title scene. Jinder on the other hand was given the ball and never either on the mic or in the ring really elavated himself to a main event player.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Nov 14, 2017 15:51:58 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Nov 14, 2017 15:44:17 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. 

Just looking Alexa's recent her win loss record she seems to mostly lose non title matches... (And a few title matches via dq/count out)

which isn't far off from how Charlotte was booked.

Hmm guess the numbers work more for Alexa than I thought

[Ben Wyatt]

Nov 14, 2017 15:56:48 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Nov 14, 2017 15:53:33 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Right, but Charlotte had an equal.  Who's been booked anything close to Alexa's?

Sasha was never really treated like her equal.

She was treated like a choke artist because she couldn't defend the damned belt.

As I said earlier Alexa was moved to Raw in the first place because they f***ed up both Bayley and Sasha's face runs. Since they wanted to get them away from Charlotte and have a strong heel to build a face up to.

They then proceeded to change nothing (Save for the hot potatoing the titles and stop declaring everything historic) and ended up in the same place.

But Sasha could, and DID beat her clean several times for the title. The fact they traded wins/reigns makes them something close to equals. 

Again, tell me who during Alexa's reign looked like a legit threat after feuding with her? Her opponents have looked like trash and Alexa looks like a goon because she beat people she consistently sold as being inferior

[Rudy Gobert Fadeaway]

Nov 14, 2017 15:21:28 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Nov 14, 2017 14:24:51 GMT -5 @kn said:

Jinder actually had people talking about the world title. Jinder had the focus on his belt, he was made out to be a paper champion and everybody he faced (sans Nakamura, sheesh) was the better wrestler who was just outsmarted by his shenanigans. For all the problems with Mahal, we were talking about his title and it had a place on the show.

Nobody's talking about the Raw Women's title right now and everyone who Alexa faces looks worse after she faces them. She beats everybody clean and they look like shit. People forget that Alexa is champion because of how badly booked that title is.

Alexa's reign is worse than Mahal's reign.

This is pretty spot on. 

The bigger issue is that she belittles the shit out of them and she wins clean, makes them look like f***ing goofballs. Like, if she ever sold any of them as a legit threat and won clean, the damage would be far less severe.

Her reign is everything I absolutely hated about LayCool and their stranglehold on the division

I'm totally copying the first line, but this is spot on.

Sasha Banks is a choke artist who can't defend the belt, fails to defend it days later.
Bayley is a nerd who can't cut it in an actual fight, gets stomped in to the ground in a hardcore match.
Mickie James is too old to still be around, loses to a DDT and a punch. A PUNCH.

 

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They're only comparable in both being overpushed. Alexa's really more like Charlotte 2.0 but actually good at promos and way worse in the ring.

[Jiren]

Alexa is good from an in ring standpoint and brilliant on the mic but the awful booking had done her no favours.

Her booking was fine on SD as she didn't look as strong as Goldberg & Asuka combined.

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Well, I can say between "Bayley this is your Life" and "Shinsuke you always ROOK the Same!" they've both qualified for Worst Promo/Segment of the year...

[Starshine]

I definitely think there are problems with how they book Alexa. But there is just little to no comparison to how they handled Jinder. For one you can't compare any of the women's belts with the world title, of course giving that belt to a goober is going to get people talking. It'd be like talking about a guy who cut you off when driving compared to a six car pile up you pass on the same trip. One's bad, but the other's a car wreck. If we want to discuss the fact that simply talking about things makes them a success, then damn, WCW must have been happy when they closed business because that's all anyone talked about.

[BigAl]

i liked Alexa, she was one of the reaspons why I started to watch the shows again. now i am soooooooo bored with her hanging on the belt this long, with her opponents like Mickie, Sasha, Bayley getting no payback at the end, thus making the viewers feel cheated, then the fact none of tem ever recovered from their loss, makes it so i just want her to get off my TV for a month or two, so i can get some time off her.

does this make sense?

[The Ichi]

Nov 14, 2017 14:26:05 GMT -5 @notoriousnd22 said:

Jinder, chiseled giant man that he is, constantly needed help from the Singh Brothers to win matches. 5 foot nothing not-at-all intimidating Alexa Bliss beats damn near everyone cleanly. That’s the biggest source of my frustration.

Though aren't most of the other women five footers?

[A Platypus Rave]

Nov 14, 2017 17:27:56 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

Nov 14, 2017 14:26:05 GMT -5 @notoriousnd22 said:

Jinder, chiseled giant man that he is, constantly needed help from the Singh Brothers to win matches. 5 foot nothing not-at-all intimidating Alexa Bliss beats damn near everyone cleanly. That’s the biggest source of my frustration.

Though aren't most of the other women five footers?

I mean the average american woman is like 5'4", most of the WWE women are around 5'6"ish I think.

She's smaller than them but it's not like Rey Mysterio vs. the majority of the roster like some people are talking about either.

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LOL You are insane if you think Bliss is worse than Mahal. Mahal is single-handedly the reason I stopped watching Smackdown.

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Nov 14, 2017 15:44:08 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

Right, and HHH had Evolution bailing him out in some form or another for most of his reign. Very classic Flair/Horsemen booking.    

The problem is that the WWE doesn't know how to book a Women's champion in any other way besides 'Dominant Mean girl'.  I feel like we've seen Alexa's reign a dozen times the last few years

Nov 14, 2017 15:44:17 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. 

Yep.

That's another difference between her and Jinder. Jinder damn near never won clean (Nakamura's the only guy) and each time he won through shenanigans. Even Heyman said he was a paper champion in the lead to that Lesnar match that they changed. His character was basically that tough looking guy who cheats to win matches so an opponent was just better than him from a storyline standpoint. Their comments towards him were accurate. Jinder was just smart to where he used his intelligence to win. Like, even if he won the guy he beat was really better so they have that against him. The opponent came out of their matches most of the time still placed high on the card, still a threat, still amazing. They just got outsmarted. Alexa though is different because literally nobody besides Naomi came out better than her. She's built to be the best. She talks shit about them, she's right about them, she beats them clean, she doesn't have a lackey to help her, she's just an asshole who's right and always wins. Like, how can you have a heel be right about what they say and STILL BEAT YOUR ASS CLEAN? You have nothing against them at that point so you look like crap. You can't say "you're wrong" in a verbal argument, she's right. You can't say "I can beat your ass" because she beats their ass.

It just really destroys who faces her. It's like if Reigns was a heel talking shit to his opponent and didn't lose.

Man it's just sad. I agree with someone who said she might have some McMahon DNA. That's Stephanie-like.

[AlexaBliss4Life]

What's wrong with a heel actually winning clean though?

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Nov 14, 2017 19:37:40 GMT -5 AlexaBliss4Life said:

What's wrong with a heel actually winning clean though?

Nothing. It's just WWE very rarely books anything but chickenshit heels (mostly because the writers are terrible).

[Diamond Cutter Out of Nowhere!]

The way they've prioritized her over every other woman on the show is a detriment to the division. As others have said already, she belittles them and runs them down and then wins clean. That doesn't help anyone.

I'm ready for someone to take the belt off her and for her to do something else for a while. If she's as great as everyone says, she'll be fine without the belt.

[DZ: WF Legacy]

I mean, Alexa's awesome but she's not the greatest WWE Champion of all-time.

[H-Virus]

People are talking about how Alexa's opponents looked worse after feuding with her, but what exactly did Orton or Nakamura gain from losing multiple times to Jinder Mahal? If anything, Orton looked like the biggest dumbass in the entire company because he lost in the exact same shenanigans-filled way TWICE, and Nakamura looked like a complete chump because he couldn't beat a guy who had spent weeks making racist jokes about him.

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Nov 14, 2017 19:37:40 GMT -5 AlexaBliss4Life said:

What's wrong with a heel actually winning clean though?

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A heel can win clean but a heel cannot win clean, talk shit and be right and constantly be better than everyone she faces. You can't have each of those boxes checked because it devalues your face opponents. Look at HHH during the Reign of Terror. He held the belt and yeah he won some matches clean but you know what he also had? HHH was wrong about his opponents most of the time. HHH had lackies doing his dirty work. HHH, most of the time, got embarrassed constantly by the faces. He doesn't have all of the boxes checked like Alexa even in his darkest time. People comment on the Reign of Terror all the time but they never say HHH was a dominant champion because he wasn't a dominant champion. He cheated to keep the belt, got embarrassed a lot and then ended up getting the belt back constantly. He was not running through dudes. Alexa runs through women.

It's not about a heel winning clean. It's about a heel winning clean, talking shit to the faces and then at the end having it continue for a long time. All 3 of those just cannot happen.