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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 17, 2017 22:52:26 GMT -5
Wrestling is it's own beast, but I'm struggling to think of any company that has been so far off the rails for so long that has come back. At the very least, would it not behoove them to shut down active operations for a couple years, reassess their situation, and figure out a realistic way to reboot the product? When they've reached a point of paying "fans" to attend (still sparsely populated) shows that almost no one watches, is it possible that there's still someone behind the scenes saying "we'll turn things around!"?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 17, 2017 22:56:57 GMT -5
They continue because they're actively trying to see how low they can stoop and still somehow remain in business.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 23:07:18 GMT -5
It’s only a matter of time now. They’re going full on final months of WCW where it wasn’t even bad there was just no star power and is actively boring.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 17, 2017 23:28:19 GMT -5
It’s only a matter of time now. They’re going full on final months of WCW where it wasn’t even bad there was just no star power and is actively boring. Oh they’re way past the final months of WCW. They’re in uncharted territory. The closest thing would probably be the final months of the AWA. But even Verne would never pay people to attend shows (hence the infamous pink room).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 23:35:23 GMT -5
they think they can recreate 1998 business but can't
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 17, 2017 23:47:09 GMT -5
It’s only a matter of time now. They’re going full on final months of WCW where it wasn’t even bad there was just no star power and is actively boring. Oh they’re way past the final monthe of WCW. They’re in uncharted territory. The closest thing would probably be the final months of the AWA. But even Verne would never pay people to attend shows (hence the infamous pink room). I think that we're now past the point that they're a worse company than Dale Gagner's fake AWA. In my opinion the company finally croaks when Anthem realizes that Nordholm failed and that their streaming service can't draw a breath. And the book of tna will finally be closed, they're the undisputed worst company in wrestling's history. Every day they're open they redefine the meaning of going lower than the absolute rock bottom.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 18, 2017 0:07:17 GMT -5
Oh they’re way past the final monthe of WCW. They’re in uncharted territory. The closest thing would probably be the final months of the AWA. But even Verne would never pay people to attend shows (hence the infamous pink room). I think that we're now past the point that they're a worse company than Dale Gagner's fake AWA. In my opinion the company finally croaks when Anthem realizes that Nordholm failed and that their streaming service can't draw a breath. And the book of tna will finally be closed, they're the undisputed worst company in wrestling's history. Every day they're open they redefine the meaning of going lower than the absolute rock bottom. I dunno man. It'd have to end with Nordholm dropping dead of a massive heart attack while covered in Vaseline and cocaine, chasing hookers with a baseball bat to truly hit rock bottom.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 18, 2017 0:21:14 GMT -5
TNA is only still "alive" because of TV deals, and you can't just go to your networks and say "Sorry we need to put these on pause for a few years to restructure". The networks would walk, their wrestlers would scatter to the wind, their office staff would have to go find other jobs because all revenue just stopped dead... You really can't just press pause on something like this.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Nov 18, 2017 0:25:55 GMT -5
Cause one time they put a monetization claim on a video I uploaded of Mahabali Shera screaming, so they're funded for life.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 18, 2017 0:57:13 GMT -5
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 18, 2017 2:19:26 GMT -5
To add a twist, what if they now put out the unquestionable best pro wrestling event of the year? Dave Meltzer says it's better than BOLA and TNA is back. Does that make a difference?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 4:46:51 GMT -5
To add a twist, what if they now put out the unquestionable best pro wrestling event of the year? Dave Meltzer says it's better than BOLA and TNA is back. Does that make a difference? No, because the vast majority of potential fans wouldn't even hear about it, if they did TNA's name is dirt to them so they probably wouldn't put much stock in it, and even if people did turn in en masse everything about TNA's history says they'd capitalize on the momentum by driving it into the ground.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 18, 2017 6:18:02 GMT -5
They've been existing for the sake of existing for years now.
But the rumour had been, even during their best years, they were basically a handy tax write-off for the Carters and then Panda.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 18, 2017 7:53:53 GMT -5
To add a twist, what if they now put out the unquestionable best pro wrestling event of the year? Dave Meltzer says it's better than BOLA and TNA is back. Does that make a difference? Not in the damn slightest; TNA had buzz last year with the whole Broken Matt Hardy thing and they mangled every second of it. They wrapped the whole thing up in mediocre, boring shows all around it that failed to entice or show off their top talents in positive lights (one had like five different Mike Bennett segments and another had a ten minute "press conference" brawl where Lashley and EC3 punched each other for ten minutes in a sea of empty arena chairs) that ensured people who did tune in to see the next big Broken Matt thing weren't coming back for more--something reflected in their rating numbers seeing big spikes on those weeks them quickly shirking back down to normal. These segments were paid for largely out of pocket by Matt who even hired referees himself just because of how much he wanted this to happen, filming on his property and doing all the stuff for no extra money. They even recorded a special on the Hardys compound to save money and cut their tapings short, while finally getting that the Hardy stuff was why people cared. But then TNA, in their infinite wisdom, decided they needed to do worse, so when contract negotiations opened up they decided Jeff, not Matt, was the real star of the duo despite the only thing people cared about in TNA was Matt's brainchild, and so they should offer a nice contract to Jeff but try to lowball Matt for as little as they possibly could. When that didn't swing because Jeff was loyal to his older brother, they dicked them around with bullshit during negotiations and then spent the next few months f***ing them over relentlessly with legal claims and the new boss shittalking them publicly in the press while leaking what he claims is Matt's actual talent contract. What I'm getting at here is that even when TNA taps into something good that legitimately draws viewers and attention to their show, they find every possible way to ruin it, kill any future hope of it drawing, screw it over financially, and piss on its ashes.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 18, 2017 10:34:26 GMT -5
To add a twist, what if they now put out the unquestionable best pro wrestling event of the year? Dave Meltzer says it's better than BOLA and TNA is back. Does that make a difference? No, because the vast majority of potential fans wouldn't even hear about it, if they did TNA's name is dirt to them so they probably wouldn't put much stock in it, and even if people did turn in en masse everything about TNA's history says they'd capitalize on the momentum by driving it into the ground. Beyond that, amazing cards don't just happen in a vacuum. Slammaversary was a good show for Impact this year, but what can you do in a single night that suddenly gets the whole wrestling world buzzing? Even if you put on multiple amazing main event matches, they only land hard when there's build to them, when there's smart booking leading to them, when there's a reason for the audience watching to be invested and really care about what's happening. Otherwise you might get some positive buzz from a standalone good show, but it will dissipate quickly unless there was something leading to it, and a solid plan for what's coming after it. For example, Okada/Omega I at WK this past January set the wrestling world on its ear, but it didn't come from nowhere; it was the result of a year-long booking plan to push Kenny Omega to the heavyweight main event singles scene, and a ridiculously well-booked and well-wrestled title reign for Okada that was just hitting its stride. It was why it was so ridiculous when the rumors came out that WWE wanted to do "their own Okada vs. Omega", meaning a match that would get "six star classic!" attached to it, without actually doing any of the big picture work that made Okada/Omega so much greater than just what they did from bell-to-bell. It's why Survivor Series could be a strong show this weekend based on the talent and matches on the card, but it won't change that the booking leading into it was astoundingly silly, and as a result won't likely draw a lot of people back to the product. Hell, BOLA works in its own way precisely because it removes the need for high-minded booking, instead embracing its status as THE indy super tournament, which lends it its own psychology and storytelling; given that Impact still revolves around weekly TV, they can't replicate that because they have an entirely different format to accommodate. Sure, a lot of people hadn't seen any NJPW before watching Okada/Omega earlier this year, but they likely did hear some of the positive vibes coming from the promotion and its fans leading into Wrestle Kingdom, and that counts for something. Impact doesn't have that right now, and if they want to get to the point where they could have it it'll take a dedicated, long-term effort and vision to get there.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 18, 2017 12:19:21 GMT -5
It’s only a matter of time now. They’re going full on final months of WCW where it wasn’t even bad there was just no star power and is actively boring. Oh they’re way past the final months of WCW. They’re in uncharted territory. The closest thing would probably be the final months of the AWA. But even Verne would never pay people to attend shows (hence the infamous pink room). I'd do the GFW/GWF thing and compare it to post-Pedicino Global, if not for the fact that the GWF still had some worth as a seasoning area for what would be future Big Two talents.
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Post by Corre.222 on Nov 18, 2017 12:20:50 GMT -5
I've said over the years that this is the final straw for TNA, yet I've been astonished every single time they pulled a rabbit out of the hat. However, I would have to think that GIVING MONEY TO FANS to show up in a near empty arena has to be the "final answer". The legit final straw. Surely, the line is where you PAY fans and the arena draws less than a high school basketball game. If they weren't planning on staying in Canada and it was one off, perhaps maybe they could run on fumes & stumble along a few more months. The end has to be nigh. With ROH/NJPW leapfrogging over them in light years, wrestling would be better off when WWE subsumes their talent & the Broken Matt gimmick is no longer "ruined" by Nordholm.
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Post by 67 more on Nov 18, 2017 15:31:38 GMT -5
Anthem will sell it to some dumb schmuck and it will fall to an even lower network, where it will then be sold and have another demotion in network, ad infinitum. It will not die.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 18, 2017 15:42:15 GMT -5
Anthem will sell it to some dumb schmuck and it will fall to an even lower network, where it will then be sold and have another demotion in network, ad infinitum. It will not die. TNA will become lower than that Memphis company that had Doug Gilbert call Jerry Lawler a pedophile won't they?
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Post by MWC on Nov 18, 2017 16:58:09 GMT -5
It's hit a point where they can't sell any tickets...Not even over Mania weekend. They're linked in with Wrestlecon and every other show has a good chunk of tickets sold (PWRevolver/RevPro both sold out front row day 1). Impact? 25 tickets sold for reserved seating. Total.
Have a feeling that show might end up being called off.
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