TWERKIN' MAGGLE
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 18, 2017 17:03:44 GMT -5
Anthem will sell it to some dumb schmuck We went through that already.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 18, 2017 17:17:09 GMT -5
It's hit a point where they can't sell any tickets...Not even over Mania weekend. They're linked in with Wrestlecon and every other show has a good chunk of tickets sold (PWRevolver/RevPro both sold out front row day 1). Impact? 25 tickets sold for reserved seating. Total. Have a feeling that show might end up being called off. Holy shit, that's....possibly the worst I've ever heard of for a company that's on tv every week. Damn....
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Post by MWC on Nov 18, 2017 17:43:14 GMT -5
It's hit a point where they can't sell any tickets...Not even over Mania weekend. They're linked in with Wrestlecon and every other show has a good chunk of tickets sold (PWRevolver/RevPro both sold out front row day 1). Impact? 25 tickets sold for reserved seating. Total. Have a feeling that show might end up being called off. Holy shit, that's....possibly the worst I've ever heard of for a company that's on tv every week. Damn.... This is from November 7th. Just gives an idea. twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/927987243406516230More tickets have been sold for the other shows. In the same time frame, Impact has sold 7 more reserved tickets. Here's the full map.Edit: The Wrestlecon Supershow on Thursday night has sold out of all reserved seating. No wrestlers announced, no continued/exclusive roster. Just based on reputation.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 18, 2017 17:47:07 GMT -5
Holy shit, that's....possibly the worst I've ever heard of for a company that's on tv every week. Damn.... This is from November 7th. Just gives an idea. More tickets have been sold for the other shows. In the same time frame, Impact has sold 7 more reserved tickets. Here's the full map.Yikes....yeah, that's what, about a dozen front row seats sold, then a couple dozen more around the arena, if I'm looking at the map right? Would not surprise me at all to see this called off. That's...even from TNA, actually kind of a bummer.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 18, 2017 19:05:20 GMT -5
Anthem will sell it to some dumb schmuck and it will fall to an even lower network, where it will then be sold and have another demotion in network, ad infinitum. It will not die. TNA will become lower than that Memphis company that had Doug Gilbert call Jerry Lawler a pedophile won't they? Fun fact: at the time that promotion was a big part of what would eventually be WWE developmental and when Doug Gilbert said that it killed the company because WWF/E pulled all their guys out of there.
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Post by tenshi on Nov 18, 2017 19:38:29 GMT -5
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night I feel my ratings, my star power... even my fans... The company I've lost... The comrades I've lost... It won't stop hurting... as if they're all still here... You can feel it too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give us back our past... Anthem calls for wet work and we answer it. No greater good. No just cause. Dixie sent us to hell so we're going even deeper... Taking back everything that we've lost...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 18, 2017 19:51:06 GMT -5
TNA will become lower than that Memphis company that had Doug Gilbert call Jerry Lawler a pedophile won't they? Fun fact: at the time that promotion was a big part of what would eventually be WWE developmental and when Doug Gilbert said that it killed the company because WWF/E pulled all their guys out of there. That is the second time I know of that a single promo killed a promotion. The first one I read about it in Bret Hart's book, that Stu had a company before Stampede, and it died after Mike Dibiase cut a promo insulting the Canadian people, the tv stations cancelled their show and their houses died. I wish someone would cut a company killing promo in tna.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 19, 2017 6:19:45 GMT -5
Thinking about it a bit more, if Impact wants to dig out of its hole it really has to focus on delivering payoffs to its audience, something that it has struggled to do since pretty much day one of its existence as a company.
I've seen bits and pieces of and read about the past couple of Impact episodes and they don't sound that bad, but the reason people won't tune back in (aside from "I've been burned by this promotion far too many times before") is that there's really no hope that what they're doing will lead to some kind of strong conclusion or payoff. They have episodes that are supposed to be like pay per views, yet as per old TNA tradition they don't use those shows to end storylines or deliver something definitive to the audience.
It's nice to have a weekly show that's not total crap, but if there's rarely a destination for things, that's when the whole enterprise becomes boring.
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 19, 2017 10:45:16 GMT -5
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night I feel my ratings, my star power... even my fans... The company I've lost... The comrades I've lost... It won't stop hurting... as if they're all still here... You can feel it too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give us back our past... Anthem calls for wet work and we answer it. No greater good. No just cause. Dixie sent us to hell so we're going even deeper... Taking back everything that we've lost... Punished EC3 & Ishiimori Miller?
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Post by thetower52 on Nov 19, 2017 10:53:36 GMT -5
Fun fact: at the time that promotion was a big part of what would eventually be WWE developmental and when Doug Gilbert said that it killed the company because WWF/E pulled all their guys out of there. That is the second time I know of that a single promo killed a promotion. The first one I read about it in Bret Hart's book, that Stu had a company before Stampede, and it died after Mike Dibiase cut a promo insulting the Canadian people, the tv stations cancelled their show and their houses died. I wish someone would cut a company killing promo in tna. Well MVP dropped the N word on tv and it didn’t kill this f***ing company so I don’t what type a promo someone would have to cut
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 19, 2017 11:44:34 GMT -5
That is the second time I know of that a single promo killed a promotion. The first one I read about it in Bret Hart's book, that Stu had a company before Stampede, and it died after Mike Dibiase cut a promo insulting the Canadian people, the tv stations cancelled their show and their houses died. I wish someone would cut a company killing promo in tna. Well MVP dropped the N word on tv and it didn’t kill this f***ing company so I don’t what type a promo someone would have to cut Probably EC3 yelling the seven words you can't say on tv. I wonder if MVP dropping the n word was one of the reasons Destination America cancelled them.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 19, 2017 11:59:33 GMT -5
Thinking about it a bit more, if Impact wants to dig out of its hole it really has to focus on delivering payoffs to its audience, something that it has struggled to do since pretty much day one of its existence as a company. I've seen bits and pieces of and read about the past couple of Impact episodes and they don't sound that bad, but the reason people won't tune back in (aside from "I've been burned by this promotion far too many times before") is that there's really no hope that what they're doing will lead to some kind of strong conclusion or payoff. They have episodes that are supposed to be like pay per views, yet as per old TNA tradition they don't use those shows to end storylines or deliver something definitive to the audience. It's nice to have a weekly show that's not total crap, but if there's rarely a destination for things, that's when the whole enterprise becomes boring. One of their top stories right now is the Lashley/Moose thing with the American Top Team guys, which for some reason didn't conclude at BFG, but then going by the spoilers, also completely went in a weird and backwards direction. TNA struggles a whole lot with payoff and that's because they either leave stories as afterthoughts to shamble on for many, many months like zombies, or they throw down some hot nonsense because they can't just write a story from beginning to end without f***ing around with it so much that it doesn't work. They spent almost a year building up Maria being a nightmare to Allie with the idea Allie would eventually snap and get a big face turn. Problem was, they had like three other women get one over on Maria in that time frame, with Gail even getting the title off of her, and Maria ended up getting the boot before they could even pay it off. They don't know how to tell a story, and you can't really do a wrestling show like that without even the faintest inclination toward knowing how stories work.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 19, 2017 14:28:55 GMT -5
Thinking about it a bit more, if Impact wants to dig out of its hole it really has to focus on delivering payoffs to its audience, something that it has struggled to do since pretty much day one of its existence as a company. I've seen bits and pieces of and read about the past couple of Impact episodes and they don't sound that bad, but the reason people won't tune back in (aside from "I've been burned by this promotion far too many times before") is that there's really no hope that what they're doing will lead to some kind of strong conclusion or payoff. They have episodes that are supposed to be like pay per views, yet as per old TNA tradition they don't use those shows to end storylines or deliver something definitive to the audience. It's nice to have a weekly show that's not total crap, but if there's rarely a destination for things, that's when the whole enterprise becomes boring. One of their top stories right now is the Lashley/Moose thing with the American Top Team guys, which for some reason didn't conclude at BFG, but then going by the spoilers, also completely went in a weird and backwards direction. TNA struggles a whole lot with payoff and that's because they either leave stories as afterthoughts to shamble on for many, many months like zombies, or they throw down some hot nonsense because they can't just write a story from beginning to end without f***ing around with it so much that it doesn't work. They spent almost a year building up Maria being a nightmare to Allie with the idea Allie would eventually snap and get a big face turn. Problem was, they had like three other women get one over on Maria in that time frame, with Gail even getting the title off of her, and Maria ended up getting the boot before they could even pay it off. They don't know how to tell a story, and you can't really do a wrestling show like that without even the faintest inclination toward knowing how stories work. Yeah, and this is a habit they've always had: I feel like I can count on two hands the number of monthly PPVs in TNA history where they ended the show with a definitive statement/winner of a given feud or storyline rather than ending it with some surprise debut, swerve, or gimmicky finish, and that's not even factoring in when they don't do a solid A-to-B-to-C progression via their weekly TV. And too often when they do actually execute it they allow business issues to get into the way, as you say with Maria and, going back in time a bit, the way Aces and 8's lost most of its members before the big payoff of AJ finishing them off by beating Bully Ray. I remember being so put off when Roode didn't defeat Angle at that one Bound for Glory (yes, they did salvage the story by making it part of the progression of Roode turning heel, but in the moment it was NOT what they needed), and then how deflated the crowd was when Samoa Joe didn't beat Magnus for the title at that one Lockdown, which would've made for a great story of the former unlikely tag champs concluding their rivalry that way but instead got sidetracked by a silly Abyss interference finish. How can you expect fans to keep coming back if that's what's happening at your biggest cards? Obviously things have been rough for them lately given how much roster turnover there's been and how much of their shows they've had to edit and chop up, but if they're settled in Ottawa now then they have to make simple, conclusive storytelling their chief booking concern.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Nov 20, 2017 8:18:44 GMT -5
This is from November 7th. Just gives an idea. More tickets have been sold for the other shows. In the same time frame, Impact has sold 7 more reserved tickets. Here's the full map.Yikes....yeah, that's what, about a dozen front row seats sold, then a couple dozen more around the arena, if I'm looking at the map right? Would not surprise me at all to see this called off. That's...even from TNA, actually kind of a bummer. I just went and counted each seat that has been sold... 48. This f***ing company has managed to only sell 48 tickets for a show on a weekend where all you really have to do is set up a ring somewhere and you can draw a decent house. And you know what's f***ed up? I bet at least half of those are people who went "You know what? Let's go see IMPACT while we're down there. That'll make for a good laugh. Plus, the other show I wanted to see during that time sold out." The other half are homeless people they paid to be there. They just want to sleep inside for awhile.
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Post by MWC on Nov 20, 2017 10:42:24 GMT -5
Yikes....yeah, that's what, about a dozen front row seats sold, then a couple dozen more around the arena, if I'm looking at the map right? Would not surprise me at all to see this called off. That's...even from TNA, actually kind of a bummer. I just went and counted each seat that has been sold... 48. This f***ing company has managed to only sell 48 tickets for a show on a weekend where all you really have to do is set up a ring somewhere and you can draw a decent house. And you know what's f***ed up? I bet at least half of those are people who went "You know what? Let's go see IMPACT while we're down there. That'll make for a good laugh. Plus, the other show I wanted to see during that time sold out." The other half are homeless people they paid to be there. They just want to sleep inside for awhile. And I hate to say this...but those corner seats were never put on sale. The only show where I've seen those one's actually on sale was for the Wrestlecon Supershow. They did that last year also and used them for overflow for GA on all the other shows outside of the Supershow.
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Post by thirteen3 on Nov 20, 2017 11:15:39 GMT -5
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Canadian government subsidize media companies in Canada? Is Anthem owning TNA some sort of scam attempt at getting some government muns?
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Nov 20, 2017 13:45:06 GMT -5
I just went and counted each seat that has been sold... 48. This f***ing company has managed to only sell 48 tickets for a show on a weekend where all you really have to do is set up a ring somewhere and you can draw a decent house. And you know what's f***ed up? I bet at least half of those are people who went "You know what? Let's go see IMPACT while we're down there. That'll make for a good laugh. Plus, the other show I wanted to see during that time sold out." The other half are homeless people they paid to be there. They just want to sleep inside for awhile. And I hate to say this...but those corner seats were never put on sale. The only show where I've seen those one's actually on sale was for the Wrestlecon Supershow. They did that last year also and used them for overflow for GA on all the other shows outside of the Supershow. If that is indeed the case (and I have no doubt that it is since you have firsthand knowledge of the setup), then the corrected total is... 20. 20. f***ing. Tickets. For a Wrestlemania weekend show. Not joking at all: My local indie, who has basically ZERO names working for them on the regs, draws 15-20 times that number every 6 weeks. IMPACT wrestling, with a national TV deal, has to sell 20 times more tickets than they already have to outsell a local indie who doesn't even sell DVDs. Frankly, even on Wrestlemania weekend with just shy of 5 months left to sell, I don't think they can do it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 20, 2017 20:21:52 GMT -5
they think they can recreate 1998 business but can't Every 7 years, they're convinced by someone else that the business is a 7 year cycle, so they keep going.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 20, 2017 20:35:50 GMT -5
Holy shit, that's....possibly the worst I've ever heard of for a company that's on tv every week. Damn.... This is from November 7th. Just gives an idea. More tickets have been sold for the other shows. In the same time frame, Impact has sold 7 more reserved tickets. Here's the full map.Edit: The Wrestlecon Supershow on Thursday night has sold out of all reserved seating. No wrestlers announced, no continued/exclusive roster. Just based on reputation. This is the most damning evidence that this company is dogshit in all aspects. The biggest weekend of the year, and you can't even sell 100 tickets when tickets are released. This company. Is on. Television.
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Post by Dang! on Nov 20, 2017 20:38:28 GMT -5
And the book of tna will finally be closed, they're the undisputed worst company in wrestling's history. Nope. BY FAR not. TNA had a few awesome years and even at their absolute worst they're not as bad as IWS-MS or XPW just to name two much worse companies.
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