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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 5, 2017 22:36:27 GMT -5
I don't see Lashley back in WWE.
I can't see them letting him do the Pro Wrestling/MMA guy.
They let Lesnar do it but Lesnar is also a much bigger deal than Lashley is.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2017 22:37:46 GMT -5
EC3 in either NXT or ROH in full on Dixie's Nephew mode would be tremendous. And dead serious don't throw anything at me... bring in Dixie in for an on-screen role as his manager at first havin her spout ludicrous BS about being successful and amazing and blah blah blah. The heat! Lashley is awesome these days but I don't think WWE would get him right. Artistically at least, he might be better served going elsewhere. Hearing shoots from Teddy Long and apparently Lashley isn't politically savvy enough to be in the wwe for long periods of time, that he wasn't that easy to work with, for example he got legit mad that the character crystal was marrying Teddy for a storyline. I also doubt the wwe would let him fight on the side, he's not the mma star Brock was. Regarding EC3 in Full Sail, he would be great either face or heel in nxt, problem is the wellness test machine would test positive for steroids even before he pisses on a cup. That was a long time ago tho Lashley is far more a seasoned vet and "man" as compared to his first stint in WWE They obviously wouldn't let him fight on their watch which is one of the reasons why he isn't there but there's no doubt he should be there and would be pushed as a star
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2017 22:39:31 GMT -5
EC3 gets clean then he gets another shot in WWE. Bobby probably will, but I'd rather he just went off to MMA. I don't see the big improvement people mention since he left WWE. I'm as big of a Lashley skeptic as anyone, but the summer of 2014 before TNA moved to Destination America, Lashley finally lived up to his potential. His title run and matches against Hardy, Aries, Roode, etc. were absolutely tremendous. If he can get motivated like that again (and post-TNA motivation is a very real, incredible thing) I'd be interested in seeing the WWE machine behind him. And since that Summer he's been TNAs Ace His last year and a half shows how you book a dominant heel champion and he can talk shit on the mic
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 6, 2017 0:03:16 GMT -5
I understand brand loyalty but is it really sad that Abyss is really the last stable thing left I would say if Impact/TNA ever closed doors he would do the same shit Tommy Dreamer is doing but he may get jealous Tommy has that market covered Also kind've a shame because he could have gone to the WWE. Whether he would have got the Undertaker match at Mania or not... he wouldn't have had to spend years tripping over into glass and fire and barbed wire and tacks every week to massively diminishing returns. And Impact would have probably treated him better if he washed out of WWE anyway... Abyss has spent so long being so loyal to TNA that he has no value left. Everyone else has moved on to somewhere else, whether it's Daniels and Kazarian taking their act to ROH, Joe, Roode, and Young reinventing themselves in NXT, whatever it is James Storm does next, and especially AJ hitting new levels of talent on his run in Japan before coming in to the big WWE payday. All the typical TNA cornerstones who gave their best years to the company still have something left to offer and are in stages in their career where they're still able to provide something worthwhile to another company, whether it's the ability to still go or veteran experience. But Abyss destroyed himself to do hardcore spots for a disloyal company that won't survive long enough to do well by him. Foley is a horrifying cautionary tale that Abyss took as a how-to guide, but even Foley can at least fall back on good money, very smart financials, and a company that will truck him out for on-screen roles and such every once in a while. Abyss has nothing to offer in-ring to anybody, nothing to offer backstage for anyone, and when TNA is gone he's going to be the real victim of it because he's given so much to the company that he can't leave all his contemporaries did.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 6, 2017 0:26:40 GMT -5
Hearing shoots from Teddy Long and apparently Lashley isn't politically savvy enough to be in the wwe for long periods of time, that he wasn't that easy to work with, for example he got legit mad that the character crystal was marrying Teddy for a storyline. I also doubt the wwe would let him fight on the side, he's not the mma star Brock was. Regarding EC3 in Full Sail, he would be great either face or heel in nxt, problem is the wellness test machine would test positive for steroids even before he pisses on a cup. That was a long time ago tho Lashley is far more a seasoned vet and "man" as compared to his first stint in WWE They obviously wouldn't let him fight on their watch which is one of the reasons why he isn't there but there's no doubt he should be there and would be pushed as a star I disagree man, Lashley has been more professional because tna is just a side gig for him. He gets booked as a monster and only works a couple of dates a month, he really has nothing to complain about politically or anything really. The wwe is a piranha infested water and every corner there's someone looking to f*** you over and that's when the complaining starts. No way Lashley accepts going back full time, and he's not getting the Brock treatment. Let's put it this way, Lesnar became UFC champ and defeated legends of the sport, his fights also broke records in ppv buys. Bobby Lashley on the other hand has only defeated bottom of the barrel scrubs and Bob Sapp, his fights are in the undercard of non ppv events. To quote the great Bobby Heenan, "it would be like comparing ice cream to horse manure."
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 6, 2017 0:35:53 GMT -5
Also kind've a shame because he could have gone to the WWE. Whether he would have got the Undertaker match at Mania or not... he wouldn't have had to spend years tripping over into glass and fire and barbed wire and tacks every week to massively diminishing returns. And Impact would have probably treated him better if he washed out of WWE anyway... Abyss has spent so long being so loyal to TNA that he has no value left. Everyone else has moved on to somewhere else, whether it's Daniels and Kazarian taking their act to ROH, Joe, Roode, and Young reinventing themselves in NXT, whatever it is James Storm does next, and especially AJ hitting new levels of talent on his run in Japan before coming in to the big WWE payday. All the typical TNA cornerstones who gave their best years to the company still have something left to offer and are in stages in their career where they're still able to provide something worthwhile to another company, whether it's the ability to still go or veteran experience. But Abyss destroyed himself to do hardcore spots for a disloyal company that won't survive long enough to do well by him. Foley is a horrifying cautionary tale that Abyss took as a how-to guide, but even Foley can at least fall back on good money, very smart financials, and a company that will truck him out for on-screen roles and such every once in a while. Abyss has nothing to offer in-ring to anybody, nothing to offer backstage for anyone, and when TNA is gone he's going to be the real victim of it because he's given so much to the company that he can't leave all his contemporaries did. This is gonna sound mean but it's the truth. Mick Foley killed himself for millions of dollars in sold out arenas and stadiums while also being watched by several million people. Abyss killed himself for bounced checks in a soundstage that fans entered for free while being watched by a fraction of the ratings Foley did. Foley influenced a generation. Abyss won't even be remembered. Which is a damn shame cause at one point Abyss was the best big man in wrestling.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 6, 2017 0:44:49 GMT -5
Abyss has spent so long being so loyal to TNA that he has no value left. Everyone else has moved on to somewhere else, whether it's Daniels and Kazarian taking their act to ROH, Joe, Roode, and Young reinventing themselves in NXT, whatever it is James Storm does next, and especially AJ hitting new levels of talent on his run in Japan before coming in to the big WWE payday. All the typical TNA cornerstones who gave their best years to the company still have something left to offer and are in stages in their career where they're still able to provide something worthwhile to another company, whether it's the ability to still go or veteran experience. But Abyss destroyed himself to do hardcore spots for a disloyal company that won't survive long enough to do well by him. Foley is a horrifying cautionary tale that Abyss took as a how-to guide, but even Foley can at least fall back on good money, very smart financials, and a company that will truck him out for on-screen roles and such every once in a while. Abyss has nothing to offer in-ring to anybody, nothing to offer backstage for anyone, and when TNA is gone he's going to be the real victim of it because he's given so much to the company that he can't leave all his contemporaries did. This is gonna sound mean but it's the truth. Mick Foley killed himself for millions of dollars in sold out arenas and stadiums while also being watched by several million people. Abyss killed himself for bounced checks in a soundstage that fans entered for free while being watched by a fraction of the ratings Foley did. Foley influenced a generation. Abyss won't even be remembered. Which is a damn shame cause at one point Abyss was the best big man in wrestling. As someone whose future looks like it's going to have a lot of similarities to the stories you hear about Noelle taking care of Mick, I really don't want to glorify what he did or all the things that came with it, just to draw the comparison that he ruined his body in similar ways and didn't quite understand that everything Mick did was a horrifying thing nobody should have to be expected to keep up as the standard for f***ing anything. Abyss has a future much more in line with Sabu, who's still working indies for garbage a night and debilitatingly hooked on pills and alcohol because his body is torn to shit but he can't stop because it's all he can do. Foley has a vaguely kind of silver lining in that he's going to be taken care of with stable financials and a loving, stable home life, but Abyss modeling himself after Foley was a horrible, horrible idea. Bigger probably than all the what-ifs of a WWE run.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 6, 2017 1:01:46 GMT -5
This is gonna sound mean but it's the truth. Mick Foley killed himself for millions of dollars in sold out arenas and stadiums while also being watched by several million people. Abyss killed himself for bounced checks in a soundstage that fans entered for free while being watched by a fraction of the ratings Foley did. Foley influenced a generation. Abyss won't even be remembered. Which is a damn shame cause at one point Abyss was the best big man in wrestling. As someone whose future looks like it's going to have a lot of similarities to the stories you hear about Noelle taking care of Mick, I really don't want to glorify what he did or all the things that came with it, just to draw the comparison that he ruined his body in similar ways and didn't quite understand that everything Mick did was a horrifying thing nobody should have to be expected to keep up as the standard for f***ing anything. Abyss has a future much more in line with Sabu, who's still working indies for garbage a night and debilitatingly hooked on pills and alcohol because his body is torn to shit but he can't stop because it's all he can do. Foley has a vaguely kind of silver lining in that he's going to be taken care of with stable financials and a loving, stable home life, but Abyss modeling himself after Foley was a horrible, horrible idea. Bigger probably than all the what-ifs of a WWE run. The Sabu comparison is more appropriate. That being said, the reason Sabu is pretty much broke is because of his own doing. This guy unfortunately adopted The Sheik's outdated mentality of not liking to do jobs and f***ing up promoters. By his own admission Sabu was offered deals early on by both major companies, and after appearing a couple of times, he went over to Japan or ECW without telling them. Sabu was also offered a deal and a major push by New Japan but he still f***ed them over. What I'm trying to say is that Sabu took opportunities then made money but lost it all, while Abyss was too scared to take an opportunity and never really made any money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 7:55:08 GMT -5
EC3 gets clean then he gets another shot in WWE. Bobby probably will, but I'd rather he just went off to MMA. I don't see the big improvement people mention since he left WWE. I'm as big of a Lashley skeptic as anyone, but the summer of 2014 before TNA moved to Destination America, Lashley finally lived up to his potential. His title run and matches against Hardy, Aries, Roode, etc. were absolutely tremendous. If he can get motivated like that again (and post-TNA motivation is a very real, incredible thing) I'd be interested in seeing the WWE machine behind him. Can you signpost some of these matches? I saw a Hardy one and was unimpressed
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 6, 2017 9:09:12 GMT -5
Lashley will go back WWE and if it happens soon enough, we'll get Lashley/Lesnar before 2019. No. I'm all set. There's a 90% chance Lashley gets fed to Brock and I have ZERO desire to see that happen
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2017 12:02:35 GMT -5
I'm as big of a Lashley skeptic as anyone, but the summer of 2014 before TNA moved to Destination America, Lashley finally lived up to his potential. His title run and matches against Hardy, Aries, Roode, etc. were absolutely tremendous. If he can get motivated like that again (and post-TNA motivation is a very real, incredible thing) I'd be interested in seeing the WWE machine behind him. Can you signpost some of these matches? I saw a Hardy one and was unimpressed Watch all his shit from last year His match when he beat Drew for the title was really good
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:43:46 GMT -5
Can you signpost some of these matches? I saw a Hardy one and was unimpressed Watch all his shit from last year His match when he beat Drew for the title was really good Yeah, not seeing it, but then I don't see Drew's improvement either. I preferred his chosen one run on Smackdown to anything he's done in the last couple of years. Not bad, just...bland. I don't believe them in the ring.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2017 12:46:20 GMT -5
Watch all his shit from last year His match when he beat Drew for the title was really good Yeah, not seeing it, but then I don't see Drew's improvement either. I preferred his chosen one run on Smackdown to anything he's done in the last couple of years. Not bad, just...bland. I don't believe them in the ring. Really? Drew is much more improved as a talker, wrestler and his overall look since his chosen one days. He comes across as a grizzled vet and he’s still in his early 30s. Sure we make fun of his babyface character being a kiss ass but he brings passion that a lot of faces don’t imo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:54:01 GMT -5
Yeah, not seeing it, but then I don't see Drew's improvement either. I preferred his chosen one run on Smackdown to anything he's done in the last couple of years. Not bad, just...bland. I don't believe them in the ring. Really? Drew is much more improved as a talker, wrestler and his overall look since his chosen one days. He comes across as a grizzled vet and he’s still in his early 30s. Sure we make fun of his babyface character being a kiss ass but he brings passion that a lot of faces don’t imo It's all opinion I guess, I know loads of people who really dig him now, but nothing he does feels authentic to me. Like someone playing a pro wrestler. He was more believable to me in that Smackdown run. He feels boring as a result.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2017 13:01:15 GMT -5
Really? Drew is much more improved as a talker, wrestler and his overall look since his chosen one days. He comes across as a grizzled vet and he’s still in his early 30s. Sure we make fun of his babyface character being a kiss ass but he brings passion that a lot of faces don’t imo It's all opinion I guess, I know loads of people who really dig him now, but nothing he does feels authentic to me. Like someone playing a pro wrestler. He was more believable to me in that Smackdown run. He feels boring as a result. Yea, just different opinions is all. I enjoy him more a whole lot now as compared to the chosen one in which he was still young and didn't showcase a bunch of personality as compared to now For me he comes across as more of a badass as compared to his clean shaven days
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 13:06:34 GMT -5
It's all opinion I guess, I know loads of people who really dig him now, but nothing he does feels authentic to me. Like someone playing a pro wrestler. He was more believable to me in that Smackdown run. He feels boring as a result. Yea, just different opinions is all. I enjoy him more a whole lot now as compared to the chosen one in which he was still young and didn't showcase a bunch of personality as compared to now For me he comes across as more of a badass as compared to his clean shaven days His current look IS badass. The beard and another 40lbs of muscle makes him look like a killer. If his character were a bit cockier because of that, bit more Roman Reigns-y, I'd probably be more into him.
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Post by americanoutlaw911 on Dec 6, 2017 15:41:18 GMT -5
Not everyone who has left TNA will be going to the WWE but we know we will be seeing more wrestlers leaving Impact wrestling because of there move to Canada and they're leaving an sinking ship. EC3 biggest probleam is that he not that big of deal if he get cut because he not that big of deal unlike drew mcintyre and he will need an new name if he go back to NXT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 15:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, not seeing it, but then I don't see Drew's improvement either. I preferred his chosen one run on Smackdown to anything he's done in the last couple of years. Not bad, just...bland. I don't believe them in the ring. Really? Drew is much more improved as a talker, wrestler and his overall look since his chosen one days. He comes across as a grizzled vet and he’s still in his early 30s. Sure we make fun of his babyface character being a kiss ass but he brings passion that a lot of faces don’t imo Honestly I just find Drew insanely f***ing boring these days. To me his music sucks, his gimmick sucks, his finisher sucks, he can't play a face to save his life, and he looks way better cleanshaven.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 6, 2017 15:47:41 GMT -5
Not everyone who has left TNA will be going to the WWE but we know we will be seeing more wrestlers leaving Impact wrestling because of there move to Canada and they're leaving an sinking ship. EC3 biggest probleam is that he not that big of deal if he get cut because he not that big of deal unlike drew mcintyre and he will need an new name if he go back to NXT Supposedly he owns his gimmick now with the new announcement. But I don't know if the WWE will use him since the Dixie Carter thing will go over most of the main roster's heads. But he could come back in a similar role even if he returns as Derrick Bateman.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 7, 2017 0:12:24 GMT -5
If Ethan can pass Wellness, it's a No Brainer to have him be the leader of a Stable of Blue Blood assholes flanked by Riddick Moss and Tino Sabatelli
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