Papa John's CEO & Founder Out

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Dec 22, 2017 7:53:42 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

Dec 22, 2017 0:02:17 GMT -5 mizerable said:

That article was in no way biased or self righteous.

I used to work at Papa John's. It wasn't the greatest place to work, but it was far from the worst. I'll always appreciate them giving me a job at a time when I couldn't find one and was applying anywhere between 5 and 20 times a day. I also was impressed with their standard of how to make a pizza considering almost every other place I knew that was a major chain did not use fresh ingredients. I can understand people who aren't a fan of the taste, but to each their own. I'm not much of a fan myself, but I don't equate the taste to dog shit or anything.

I really don't grasp the mentality this guy is scum. I mean Jesus...yeah he's on the other side of the political aisle, but that doesn't make him a terrible person. His comments on the NFL were pretty tame compared to some of the other stuff that came out around the same time. Of all the shit that has occurred at Papa John's in recent years, almost off of it has nothing to do with corporate decisions. A lot of the controversy he has publicly condemned and made attempts to correct.

Until it comes out he's a rapist, murderer, racist, criminal or something else...then I'll refrain from trying to cast him directly in a negative light. Overall I hope this might be a good decision for the direction for the company given how widespread it is and how many people it employs.

I just liked your post because I agree with the first line. That article was trash, read like a snarky Facebook post then I saw that the website was linked to Jezebel and kotaku so it made sense.

Anyway I havnt looked into who papa john is and I don't really care

I would have posted from a more legitimate source, but that was the only one I could find at the time of the post I made.

Guys, just focus on the pizza.

[MC Blowfish]

Dec 22, 2017 0:02:17 GMT -5 mizerable said:

That article was in no way biased or self righteous.

I used to work at Papa John's. It wasn't the greatest place to work, but it was far from the worst. I'll always appreciate them giving me a job at a time when I couldn't find one and was applying anywhere between 5 and 20 times a day. I also was impressed with their standard of how to make a pizza considering almost every other place I knew that was a major chain did not use fresh ingredients. I can understand people who aren't a fan of the taste, but to each their own. I'm not much of a fan myself, but I don't equate the taste to dog shit or anything.

I really don't grasp the mentality this guy is scum. I mean Jesus...yeah he's on the other side of the political aisle, but that doesn't make him a terrible person. His comments on the NFL were pretty tame compared to some of the other stuff that came out around the same time. Of all the shit that has occurred at Papa John's in recent years, almost off of it has nothing to do with corporate decisions. A lot of the controversy he has publicly condemned and made attempts to correct.

Until it comes out he's a rapist, murderer, racist, criminal or something else...then I'll refrain from trying to cast him directly in a negative light. Overall I hope this might be a good decision for the direction for the company given how widespread it is and how many people it employs.

The guy flipped out when ACA was coming about that he would have to raise prices on his pizza.  While he lives in a castle.  He lives in a castle, but can't afford to give his employees decent health coverage or a livable wage.  That is the big issue that people have with him.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Pizza Hut is probably the worst major chain, but it is very region dependent. The ones in the Detroit area were actually pretty good (or I just don't remember them correctly because I mainly ate there as a kid)

Little Caeser's tastes like home to me, growing up in Metro detroit. It isn't great pizza, but you can't beat the price.

Dominos has been a LOT better since they revamped everything a few years back. Their price is actually great too if you do the two medium pizzas for 12.99 (or whatever it is) deal.

Papa Johns is way expensive without a coupon. The 50% off when your local sports team deal makes it pretty okay for okay pizza, though I stopped ordering from there entirely when Dominos upped their game.

[Evil Homer]

Dec 21, 2017 19:52:39 GMT -5 Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster said:

I had Papa Johns last year when I was in New York and holy shit it had to be the worst Pizza I've ever had.

Even Little Caesars and the shitty cardboard tasting Pizza that 7-11 sells was better than that.

You were in New York & had Papa Johns pizza ?

[mizerable]

Dec 22, 2017 9:41:16 GMT -5 MC Blowfish said:

The guy flipped out when ACA was coming about that he would have to raise prices on his pizza.  While he lives in a castle.  He lives in a castle, but can't afford to give his employees decent health coverage or a livable wage.  That is the big issue that people have with him.

Reading what has been written about statements I made on the effect of the Affordable Care Act on our franchisees reminds me of a quote from Lewis H. Lapham, former editor of Harper’s magazine: “People may expect too much of journalism. Not only do they expect it to be entertaining, they expect it to be true.”

Many in the media reported that I said Papa John’s is going to close stores and cut jobs because of Obamacare. I never said that. The fact is we are going to open over hundreds of stores this year and next and increase employment by over 5,000 jobs worldwide. And, we have no plans to cut team hours as a result of the Affordable Care Act.

Clearly there was some misunderstanding somewhere. The remarks that generated the headlines were made during an entrepreneur class I was asked to speak to at a Florida college. I was asked to share my experience as an entrepreneur and to provide the students with real-life small business situations. Unbeknownst to me, until she identified herself, a reporter was there.

Here is the part of the interchange that was the genesis of the news:

Reporter: “Do you think your — you know — franchise owners... are going to cut people hours back to make them part time instead of full time?”

Me: “Well, in Hawaii there is a form of the same kind of health insurance and that’s what you do, you find loopholes to get around it. That’s what they’re going to do.”

Reporter: “My understanding is that if you’re a full time employee, which is 35 hours or over, you’d be covered. Or if you’re part time then you wouldn’t be. So wouldn’t some business owners just cut people down like 34 hours a week so they wouldn’t have to pay for health insurance?”

Me: “It’s common sense. It’s what I call lose-lose.”

The reporter asked what I believed Papa John’s franchisees would do in response to Obamacare, not what Papa John’s would do. In fact, her question was “wouldn’t some business owners just cut people down like 34 hours a week so they wouldn’t have to pay for health insurance?”

My answer: “It’s common sense.”

Companies like Papa John’s are largely a collection of small independent businesses. The average Papa John’s franchisee owns three to four stores. Since our franchisees own the restaurants they operate, who they hire, how many hours they give each employee and what they pay each employee is up to them, not me or Papa John’s. Like any small business in these economic times, our franchisees are under a tremendous amount of pressure on costs.

During that same interview, talking about Obamacare I said, though it wasn’t widely reported:

“The good news is 100% of the population (full-time workers) is going to get health insurance. I’m cool with that.”
“We’re all going to pay for it. There’s nothing for free.”
“And this way I get to provide health insurance and I’m not at a competitive disadvantage ... our competitors are going to have to do the same thing.”
Papa John’s, like most businesses, is still researching what the Affordable Care Act means to our operations. Regardless of the conclusion of our analysis, we will honor this law, as we do all laws, and continue to offer 100% of Papa John’s corporate employees and workers in company-owned stores health insurance as we have since the company was founded in 1984.

That came from the Huffington Post btw..

But let's talk about your concern, not saying him directly, but this is a big concern for a lot of businesses. You can argue that the owner is rich, but it doesn't always translate to livable wages or decent healthcare for the employees based on how big the corporation is. There were businesses that could not keep up with this by providing healthcare and they shut their doors and people lost their jobs. It's a very real possibility that you would have to raise prices if you didn't want it to have a large impact your operating income or equity.

[fw91]

I love papa johns’ cheese sticks. And the pizza ain’t that bad. I know chain pizza pales in comparison to real pizzareia pizza, but what do you expect? I can eat Pizza Hut, Dominos,Papa Johns etc.anytime without complaining.

[MC Blowfish]

Dec 22, 2017 10:57:53 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Dec 22, 2017 9:41:16 GMT -5 MC Blowfish said:

The guy flipped out when ACA was coming about that he would have to raise prices on his pizza.  While he lives in a castle.  He lives in a castle, but can't afford to give his employees decent health coverage or a livable wage.  That is the big issue that people have with him.

Reading what has been written about statements I made on the effect of the Affordable Care Act on our franchisees reminds me of a quote from Lewis H. Lapham, former editor of Harper’s magazine: “People may expect too much of journalism. Not only do they expect it to be entertaining, they expect it to be true.”

Many in the media reported that I said Papa John’s is going to close stores and cut jobs because of Obamacare. I never said that. The fact is we are going to open over hundreds of stores this year and next and increase employment by over 5,000 jobs worldwide. And, we have no plans to cut team hours as a result of the Affordable Care Act.

Clearly there was some misunderstanding somewhere. The remarks that generated the headlines were made during an entrepreneur class I was asked to speak to at a Florida college. I was asked to share my experience as an entrepreneur and to provide the students with real-life small business situations. Unbeknownst to me, until she identified herself, a reporter was there.

Here is the part of the interchange that was the genesis of the news:

Reporter: “Do you think your — you know — franchise owners... are going to cut people hours back to make them part time instead of full time?”

Me: “Well, in Hawaii there is a form of the same kind of health insurance and that’s what you do, you find loopholes to get around it. That’s what they’re going to do.”

Reporter: “My understanding is that if you’re a full time employee, which is 35 hours or over, you’d be covered. Or if you’re part time then you wouldn’t be. So wouldn’t some business owners just cut people down like 34 hours a week so they wouldn’t have to pay for health insurance?”

Me: “It’s common sense. It’s what I call lose-lose.”

The reporter asked what I believed Papa John’s franchisees would do in response to Obamacare, not what Papa John’s would do. In fact, her question was “wouldn’t some business owners just cut people down like 34 hours a week so they wouldn’t have to pay for health insurance?”

My answer: “It’s common sense.”

Companies like Papa John’s are largely a collection of small independent businesses. The average Papa John’s franchisee owns three to four stores. Since our franchisees own the restaurants they operate, who they hire, how many hours they give each employee and what they pay each employee is up to them, not me or Papa John’s. Like any small business in these economic times, our franchisees are under a tremendous amount of pressure on costs.

During that same interview, talking about Obamacare I said, though it wasn’t widely reported:

“The good news is 100% of the population (full-time workers) is going to get health insurance. I’m cool with that.”
“We’re all going to pay for it. There’s nothing for free.”
“And this way I get to provide health insurance and I’m not at a competitive disadvantage ... our competitors are going to have to do the same thing.”
Papa John’s, like most businesses, is still researching what the Affordable Care Act means to our operations. Regardless of the conclusion of our analysis, we will honor this law, as we do all laws, and continue to offer 100% of Papa John’s corporate employees and workers in company-owned stores health insurance as we have since the company was founded in 1984.

That came from the Huffington Post btw..

But let's talk about your concern, not saying him directly, but this is a big concern for a lot of businesses. You can argue that the owner is rich, but it doesn't always translate to livable wages or decent healthcare for the employees based on how big the corporation is. There were businesses that could not keep up with this by providing healthcare and they shut their doors and people lost their jobs. It's a very real possibility that you would have to raise prices if you didn't want it to have a large impact your operating income or equity.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/papa-johns-john-schnatter-obamacare-pizza-prices/story?id=16962891

It was 14 cents per pizza.  14 cents?  The dude can't afford to raise prices 14 cents to cover the cost of insurance, while living in a castle.  I'm sorry, but he's what's wrong with society today.  He's completely out of touch with reality.  

[mizerable]

Dec 22, 2017 11:06:03 GMT -5 MC Blowfish said:

It was 14 cents per pizza.  14 cents?  The dude can't afford to raise prices 14 cents to cover the cost of insurance, while living in a castle.  I'm sorry, but he's what's wrong with society today.  He's completely out of touch with reality.  

Here's the quote everyone got upset at.

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics are about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare," he said.

This was a comment to shareholders in which the price of the shares had already been declining. What he's saying is he isn't supportive of driving up costs in any way whether it's a penny or a dollar not because he doesn't want to offer insurance, but because every decision that they can't willingly make is something they have to evaluate with upping prices when people are already not buying as much pizza.

People decided to spin their own narrative on that because f*** em... he's rich.

[MC Blowfish]

Dec 22, 2017 11:38:35 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Dec 22, 2017 11:06:03 GMT -5 MC Blowfish said:

It was 14 cents per pizza.  14 cents?  The dude can't afford to raise prices 14 cents to cover the cost of insurance, while living in a castle.  I'm sorry, but he's what's wrong with society today.  He's completely out of touch with reality.  

Here's the quote everyone got upset at.

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics are about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare," he said.

This was a comment to shareholders in which the price of the shares had already been declining. What he's saying is he isn't supportive of driving up costs in any way whether it's a penny or a dollar not because he doesn't want to offer insurance, but because every decision that they can't willingly make is something they have to evaluate with upping prices when people are already not buying as much pizza.

People decided to spin their own narrative on that because f*** em... he's rich.

Their is no spin to it.  Since you didn't bother to use the full quote.  He didn't want to raise prices, because of how it would reflect on his shareholders.  You know it's more important to appease the shareholders then to take of your employees.  

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry," Schnatter said on a conference call with shareholders last week, as reported by Politico. "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders' best interests."

He was talking about having to raise the price a whole 14 cents to cover insurance costs.  I'm sorry, but it's 14 cents to provide health care for your employees.  

www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/#6f71b14813c2

[mizerable]

You must've not read what I wrote. He didn't want to raise prices at all because of how he felt it would impact their business at a time when their stock price was already declining. It had nothing to do with not wanting to provide insurance. He mentions numerous times that he is glad his employees have it.

[Milkman Norm]

They put breakfast sausage on pizza. Who does that?

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Dec 22, 2017 12:08:55 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

They put breakfast sausage on pizza. Who does that?

My brother.

That's why I don't eat it.

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Alls I know is any Papa John's pizza I've ever had tasted like they went a little too hard on the salt in the sauce.

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Dec 21, 2017 19:25:11 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

Don't care about the political aspect, but I have never liked the way Papa Johns pizza tastes. f***, I like Little Caesars more. LITTLE. CAESARS.

Same. There's no seasoning on anything. Just plain bread, plain tomato paste, just all around boring pizza.

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Dec 22, 2017 11:38:35 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Dec 22, 2017 11:06:03 GMT -5 MC Blowfish said:

It was 14 cents per pizza.  14 cents?  The dude can't afford to raise prices 14 cents to cover the cost of insurance, while living in a castle.  I'm sorry, but he's what's wrong with society today.  He's completely out of touch with reality.  

Here's the quote everyone got upset at.

"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry. But our business model and unit economics are about as ideal as you can get for a food company to absorb Obamacare," he said.

This was a comment to shareholders in which the price of the shares had already been declining. What he's saying is he isn't supportive of driving up costs in any way whether it's a penny or a dollar not because he doesn't want to offer insurance, but because every decision that they can't willingly make is something they have to evaluate with upping prices when people are already not buying as much pizza.

People decided to spin their own narrative on that because f*** em... he's rich.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you can't afford to pay employees, your business sucks.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Dec 22, 2017 10:54:21 GMT -5 Evil Homer said:

Dec 21, 2017 19:52:39 GMT -5 Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster said:

I had Papa Johns last year when I was in New York and holy shit it had to be the worst Pizza I've ever had.

Even Little Caesars and the shitty cardboard tasting Pizza that 7-11 sells was better than that.

You were in New York & had Papa Johns pizza ?

[Evil Homer]

Dec 22, 2017 13:42:28 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Dec 22, 2017 10:54:21 GMT -5 Evil Homer said:

You were in New York & had Papa Johns pizza ?

Tbh Sbarros is actually pretty damn good pizza

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Only thing I know about Papa Johns is that they opened one where I live, which already has two Pizza Huts and three Dominos', and de used that they best way to compete is to only offer delivery to less than 10% of the city.

[Sephiroth]

In all seriousness, I’m inclined to say this was not some sudden development because of what he said in regard to recent events-the decision had probably been weighing fo some time due to the low sales, which probably resulted from the pizza just not being all that good as the comments here reflect. This latest flap is just what finally made up a lot of minds about it. And even then, it was probably less his remarks about those recent events than the effect they had-such as the company finding itself being associated with the frigging Nazis, of all people, and the resulting backlash they took all over social media-to say nothing of the trolling opportunity it gave competitors. When you are a pizza company getting made fun of by DiGornio, you know you done screwed up. And he clearly did because you could tell he was flabbergasted by the result and tried to roll back his statements. And that is really why I feel no sympathy for him in this case, because he has no one to blame but himself and his own big mouth, regardless of his politics.