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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 24, 2017 18:41:48 GMT -5
I'm more sad by the allegations that John covered it up. Max always came off like a creep, but I actually respected John as a filmmaker.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 24, 2017 19:27:08 GMT -5
I'm more sad by the allegations that John covered it up. Max always came off like a creep, but I actually respected John as a filmmaker. Im not shocked by that either. John DID get away with murder pretty much.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 24, 2017 19:34:20 GMT -5
I'm more sad by the allegations that John covered it up. Max always came off like a creep, but I actually respected John as a filmmaker. Im not shocked by that either. John DID get away with murder pretty much. That is true, isn't it? Completely forgot about that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 24, 2017 20:15:06 GMT -5
I'm more sad by the allegations that John covered it up. Max always came off like a creep, but I actually respected John as a filmmaker. Im not shocked by that either. John DID get away with murder pretty much. Involuntary manslaughter, more accurately. Horrific and tragic as the accident was, it's not as if John Landis planned to have Vic Morrow and those children killed.
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Post by badkarma on Dec 24, 2017 21:39:24 GMT -5
Im not shocked by that either. John DID get away with murder pretty much. Involuntary manslaughter, more accurately. Horrific and tragic as the accident was, it's not as if John Landis planned to have Vic Morrow and those children killed. You're right, he didn't plan on killing them, but his lack of properly planning out a very dangerous scene got them killed. Whether it was through malice, or ignorance, they still died due to his actions. He is at fault.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 24, 2017 21:51:00 GMT -5
Involuntary manslaughter, more accurately. Horrific and tragic as the accident was, it's not as if John Landis planned to have Vic Morrow and those children killed. You're right, he didn't plan on killing them, but his lack of properly planning out a very dangerous scene got them killed. Whether it was through malice, or ignorance, they still died due to his actions. He is at fault. Oh absolutely, and I really don't know how he was acquitted, but it's still wrong to say he got away with murder.
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Post by badkarma on Dec 24, 2017 22:28:09 GMT -5
You're right, he didn't plan on killing them, but his lack of properly planning out a very dangerous scene got them killed. Whether it was through malice, or ignorance, they still died due to his actions. He is at fault. Oh absolutely, and I really don't know how he was acquitted, but it's still wrong to say he got away with murder.No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 24, 2017 22:34:04 GMT -5
Oh absolutely, and I really don't know how he was acquitted, but it's still wrong to say he got away with murder.No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard. That isn't what they're saying. They are saying it's not literally the defined crime of murder, and it wasn't. That's not open for debate, though I personally think the difference is largely academic. Landis f***ed up majorly and was entirely unqualified to shoot that scene and failed to perform anything close to due diligence, directly causing their deaths. Even if it's not a premeditated act of malice, people still died, and it didn't have to happen, so I feel like calling it an accident doesn't do it justice. Like, I get the point you're making, but they said, explicitly, he is at fault by saying that they don't know how he was acquitted. Argue with them if you want, but I think you're missing some of the context and arguing a position they didn't have to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 22:38:00 GMT -5
Oh absolutely, and I really don't know how he was acquitted, but it's still wrong to say he got away with murder.No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard. Yeah, don't do that again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 24, 2017 22:44:46 GMT -5
Oh absolutely, and I really don't know how he was acquitted, but it's still wrong to say he got away with murder.No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard. No, by my rationale a drunk driver who didn't plan on running over my family in the front yard but does so is at fault, and is guilty of manslaughter. Landis absolutely was at fault for the loss of three lives, and should have served jail time, and nowhere have I even implied otherwise. But he did not get away with murder because murder is a premeditated act. John Landis got away with involuntary manslaughter, no more, no less.
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Post by badkarma on Dec 24, 2017 22:49:18 GMT -5
No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard. Yeah, don't do that again. Don't do what exactly? Speak ill of John Landis?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 22:51:59 GMT -5
Yeah, don't do that again. Don't do what exactly? Speak ill of John Landis? I don't care about that. I do care about condescending tone you are using with another user.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 24, 2017 22:57:10 GMT -5
Welp, I suppose there won't be a Season 3 of Dirk Gently, then (not that that matters, but still).
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 25, 2017 6:12:00 GMT -5
Welp, I suppose there won't be a Season 3 of Dirk Gently, then (not that that matters, but still). I believe it has a!ready been cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 8:06:19 GMT -5
The only surprising thing is that the article and the op only refer to Anna Akana as "the girl who played Batista". She is a fairly well known youtuber. At least at the Nerd and Critics level. And she was at the end of Ant Man as the girl passing a long the information that he got into the Avengers. Minor gripe. I don't follow YouTube "celebrities". Calling her "the girl who played Batista in that video" is the only way I would have had any clue who she was.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 25, 2017 12:08:51 GMT -5
The only surprising thing is that the article and the op only refer to Anna Akana as "the girl who played Batista". She is a fairly well known youtuber. At least at the Nerd and Critics level. And she was at the end of Ant Man as the girl passing a long the information that he got into the Avengers. Minor gripe. I don't follow YouTube "celebrities". Calling her "the girl who played Batista in that video" is the only way I would have had any clue who she was. Also, I'm pretty sure they were just expanding on the previous reference to her having worked with Landis. Certianly weren't taking anything away from her being a "fairly well known YouTuber". Last night on Twitter, one of the actresses from Max Landis’ hit YouTube video Wrestling Isn’t Wrestling accused the creator of sexual assault. The accusation came in response to a Netflix US tweet promoting the recent release of the Netflix Original Bright, starring Will Smith and written by Max Landis. Anna Akana, who played the female version of Batista in the Wrestling Isn’t Wrestling video, responded to the promotion stating it was “Written by a psychopath who sexually abuses and assaults women.”
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2017 12:55:52 GMT -5
No it's not. Three people died due to his actions and he served zero jail time. I don't care what movie John Landis made that you enjoy, it doesn't excuse his negligence from directly leading to their deaths. By your rationale, a drunk driver is not at fault for causing an accident because he didn't wake up that day planning on running over your family in the front yard. No, by my rationale a drunk driver who didn't plan on running over my family in the front yard but does so is at fault, and is guilty of manslaughter. Landis absolutely was at fault for the loss of three lives, and should have served jail time, and nowhere have I even implied otherwise. But he did not get away with murder because murder is a premeditated act. John Landis got away with involuntary manslaughter, no more, no less. Murder isn't always premeditated (which is the difference between murder 1 and murder 2), but there is malice and intent involved compared to manslaughter. But yes, John Landis got away with manslaughter/homicide, but what he was accused of was NOT murder.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 25, 2017 13:38:33 GMT -5
So, did people here read the interview he gave Shelby Sells a couple months ago? If you did and then saw this news I would say this revelation wouldn't be a big surprise.
Sadly, I'd link it, but the author scrubbed it off her blog. There is a Jezebel article with the salient points and quotes if you're interested.
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Dec 25, 2017 21:59:06 GMT -5
Its too bad (but not really) that Kneelift isn't here anymore considering her and Max had a thing. I bet she could shed some insight into his psyche.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 26, 2017 0:13:39 GMT -5
So, did people here read the interview he gave Shelby Sells a couple months ago? If you did and then saw this news I would say this revelation wouldn't be a big surprise. Sadly, I'd link it, but the author scrubbed it off her blog. There is a Jezebel article with the salient points and quotes if you're interested. Google search "Shelby Sells Max Landis" and it's like the first or second result. The Jezebel article that is, not the original interview.
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