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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 4, 2018 19:58:59 GMT -5
Considering Tom's last outing pretty much killed the "Dark Universe!" I wouldn't entire say he draws on his own. Yeah, I dunno if the majority of the blame can fall on him, although he was terribly miscast. The film just looked like a dud and basic AF. Toms a weird cat. To paraphrase an acting coach I once had, Toms a terrible actor but he comes across "committed and driven" as all hell. That works great for the mission impossible franchise, but as a rogue-ish, hero in an action/horror flick?..Eh. I guess the real test would be to see if a Mission Impossible film could thrive without him at this point. I mean i've always like Tom in different movies like Vanilla Sky and Last Samurai (that was a full great cast) but I get what he's saying and yeah I don't think Tom is crazy enough to let go of Mission Impossible 3 at this point in his career unless they lowball him on a number and he wants to prove a point
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 4, 2018 20:04:51 GMT -5
I don't think there's a lot of movie stars that draw anymore..Will Smith and Tom Cruise are often hailed as the Last of the "Blockbuster Actors". And even their fame has waned over the last few years. Hollywood has definitely transitioned into a period where franchises are the biggest draws. Just looking at 2017's highest-grossing actors, the top five at Vin Diesel, Rock, Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, and Johnny Depp, and none of them starred in anything that wasn't an established IP.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 4, 2018 20:15:09 GMT -5
I don't think there's a lot of movie stars that draw anymore..Will Smith and Tom Cruise are often hailed as the Last of the "Blockbuster Actors". And even their fame has waned over the last few years. Hollywood has definitely transitioned into a period where franchises are the biggest draws. Just looking at 2017's highest-grossing actors, the top five at Vin Diesel, Rock, Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, and Johnny Depp, and none of them starred in anything that wasn't an established IP. Well Emma did "The Circle" but that was a huge piece of shit. But yeah, it's definitely the property that lures people in these days. Of all of those actors, it's mind boggling Vin is getting paid so much in 2017. Depp too, for that matter.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 4, 2018 20:19:50 GMT -5
Hollywood has definitely transitioned into a period where franchises are the biggest draws. Just looking at 2017's highest-grossing actors, the top five at Vin Diesel, Rock, Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, and Johnny Depp, and none of them starred in anything that wasn't an established IP. Well Emma did "The Circle" but that was a huge piece of shit. But yeah, it's definitely the property that lures people in these days. Of all of those actors, it's mind boggling Vin is getting paid so much in 2017. Depp too, for that matter. Depp is living off Jack Sparrow goodwill at this point, and despite Pirates 5 getting him to fifth highest-grossing actor, the returns are really diminishing.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 5, 2018 1:34:36 GMT -5
Hollywood has definitely transitioned into a period where franchises are the biggest draws. Just looking at 2017's highest-grossing actors, the top five at Vin Diesel, Rock, Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, and Johnny Depp, and none of them starred in anything that wasn't an established IP. Well Emma did "The Circle" but that was a huge piece of shit. But yeah, it's definitely the property that lures people in these days. Of all of those actors, it's mind boggling Vin is getting paid so much in 2017. Depp too, for that matter. But that's also going to be the next problem besides just "female leads sell", or people besides straight white males drawing in a movie: 1. The property lures people in, not the actor. 2. People don't have the time, energy, or money to support a movie they know is bad just because a big name is in it. 3. You're not a true Movie Star if you get people to support a bankable IP. You're a true movie star when you can get people to watch a mediocre or openly bad movie solely because YOU'RE in it. And this is the real issue to make true bankable movie stars: You don't know if a star is bankable because they're in an established IP, you know if they're bankable when they're in an original IP, a lesser-known IP, or even a generic script solely built on their star power. Again, Gal Gadot proved she's bankable...as WONDER WOMAN. That's not the issue to prove she's a star. The issue would be: Would the same people following Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman follow her to see Gal Gadot in a generic, forgettable romantic comedy that's the same as any other generic, forgettable romantic comedy solely because she's in that? That's the real test to see if she's a STAR or if "the person who played Wonder Woman" is a star...and right now, there are no stars in Hollywood who can pass the "can they get a generic, bland movie to number one at the box office on their own star power alone?"
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 5, 2018 4:07:55 GMT -5
Meh, why should I care? A good movie with interesting characters should do well.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 5, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
Some of ya'll just like to argue over the littlest things
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Post by Dub H on Jan 5, 2018 13:02:16 GMT -5
Some of ya'll just like to argue over the littlest things What do you mean THINGS?!
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 5, 2018 13:31:30 GMT -5
Some of ya'll just like to argue over the littlest things What do you mean THINGS?! DO THE THING!!!!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 5, 2018 16:04:56 GMT -5
I don't think there's a lot of movie stars that draw anymore..Will Smith and Tom Cruise are often hailed as the Last of the "Blockbuster Actors". And even their fame has waned over the last few years. It's true. The movies themselves are typically the draw nowadays rather than the actors.
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Post by Stu on Jan 5, 2018 16:12:09 GMT -5
Anyone else looking forward to Ocean's 8? I'm a fan of the franchise and I trust Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett to make that movie work.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2018 16:17:52 GMT -5
Anyone else looking forward to Ocean's 8? I'm a fan of the franchise and I trust Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett to make that movie work. If Ocean's 12 and 13 hasn't happened I'd probably be more interested. As it is I'll wait for the word of mouth.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 5, 2018 17:57:14 GMT -5
I can see someone going to see Wonder Woman for Gal Gadot, but Star Wars for Daisy Ridley? I do think that it is odd that Rey is considered the unquestioned lead when these recent Star Wars movies are more of an ensemble without a clear lead. Among the newer characters I'd say Kylo is more of the main character. While Kylo gets a lot of story stuff, Rey's still the main character. Kylo as antagonist doesn't really fit in the protagonist slot. Meh, why should I care? A good movie with interesting characters should do well. Because it's important to break the notion that movies with only straight white guys can sell as mentioned before. If you care so little why post this?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 5, 2018 18:01:00 GMT -5
I can see someone going to see Wonder Woman for Gal Gadot, but Star Wars for Daisy Ridley? I do think that it is odd that Rey is considered the unquestioned lead when these recent Star Wars movies are more of an ensemble without a clear lead. Among the newer characters I'd say Kylo is more of the main character. While Kylo gets a lot of story stuff, Rey's still the main character. Kylo as antagonist doesn't really fit in the protagonist slot. and as I said before on the other page. {Spoiler}REY IS THE TITULAR CHARACTER. At the end of the film She is the Last Jedi.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 5, 2018 19:10:42 GMT -5
I don't think there's a lot of movie stars that draw anymore..Will Smith and Tom Cruise are often hailed as the Last of the "Blockbuster Actors". And even their fame has waned over the last few years. Hollywood has definitely transitioned into a period where franchises are the biggest draws. Just looking at 2017's highest-grossing actors, the top five at Vin Diesel, Rock, Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, and Johnny Depp, and none of them starred in anything that wasn't an established IP. It makes sense really, like now in music, it's not necessarily about who's in the band as much as the music-the members are interchangeable anymore and they are more of a franchise and it can go on forever. who would have ever thought Queen would tour without Freddie Mercury with not one, but two different lead singers?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 5, 2018 19:18:29 GMT -5
who would have ever thought Queen would tour without Freddie Mercury with not one, but two different lead singers? Not only that, but continue to pack stadiums with regularity.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 5, 2018 23:26:14 GMT -5
Meh, why should I care? A good movie with interesting characters should do well. Because it's important to break the notion that movies with only straight white guys can sell as mentioned before. If you care so little why post this? I reiterate my point. If the story is good and characters compelling enough, the film should do well, regardless of who is in the lead. I do care about said women getting recompensed appropriately at the same level as their male counterparts, which Gal Gadot wasn't (300k dollars for lead role for Wonder Woman as opposed to Brandon Routh getting 1m dollars for a first time lead in Superman Returns) and Daisy Ridley got screwed over on Star Wars merchandise.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 6, 2018 0:32:54 GMT -5
While Kylo gets a lot of story stuff, Rey's still the main character. Kylo as antagonist doesn't really fit in the protagonist slot. and as I said before on the other page. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}REY IS THE TITULAR CHARACTER. At the end of the film She is the Last Jedi. {Spoiler}she's not the last Jedi. there is no last Jedi. that was the whole point at the end with the kids
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jan 6, 2018 0:39:37 GMT -5
Angry weirdos on the internet: "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! We must BOYCOTT these girly big budget movies! TO ARMS!!" *clicks away at keyboard, sobbing bitterly* Please, we save it for important things. Like Big Show shaving his beard off.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 6, 2018 7:52:15 GMT -5
who would have ever thought Queen would tour without Freddie Mercury with not one, but two different lead singers? Not only that, but continue to pack stadiums with regularity. They were lucky to find Adam Lambert. He's a good fit for Queen's material, and he's even said on stage that he knows he can never "replace" Freddie.
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