If you're not into it, you're not into it. You're not 'missing' anything, I say that as someone who loved the match and greatly enjoys New Japan in general. It's not to everybody's taste and that's just how things are.
Pretty much how I feel. I adored the match, but to each their own.
That's cool. I'd say that something like Omega/Jericho is pretty random and not that deep in storytelling, but something like Naito/Omega suffers without exposure to the storytelling/background that set up the match--not saying you weren't aware of it going in, but I felt it was a big reason I really enjoyed it.
I've yet to see Naito/Omega because I'm afraid it won't live up to the hype, but if I do I will definitely take that advice.
The one thing I like about the few NJPW matches I've seen is that they aren't as formulaic, or at least it appears that way because I haven't seen many, which is a big reason I loved watching WCW matches in the 90's.
No worries. Yeah, matches aren't too formulaic but they can definitely be seen as spot-festy "no selling" (it's still selling, but the Japanese concept of selling is a little different and off-putting to some) to people not used to it. I think a good warm-up with no research would be Naito/Ibushi on the first night of the G1 last year. All you really need to know is that it is Ibushi's first match after finally coming back to NJPW, and Naito bitter about it as he's a rising star that toiled for it and upset that Ibushi can spend his time screwing around in WWE/other promotions and just waltz into the company's biggest tournament.
Post by Menasor, Gentleman Of Leisure on Jan 13, 2018 22:04:35 GMT -5
I thought it was awesome. Most hardcore type matches nowadays feel like spotfests, but this looked as much like a real brawl as a pro wrestling match can look. And it looked like they legit hated each other and wanted to tear each other apart.
If you didn't like it though, that's cool. Go watch some matches you like or something to make you happy.
Post by Viking Hall on Jan 14, 2018 7:30:29 GMT -5
Weirdly I struggle to watch WWE these days because I find the audience infuriating, but maybe that's because I started watching in the nineties when American audiences were white hot. I did not have this problem with NJPW, and certainly not in the Jericho vs Omega match. You get the feeling the crowd are really concentrating on the match rather than just being bored trying to come up with the next 'hilarious' chant and the roar when something big happens has to be one of if not the most iconic sounds in wrestling.
As for the match, it was brilliant and a real nod back to an age where wrestlers could still do hardcore matches properly.
Post by CertifiedBA on Jan 15, 2018 3:20:16 GMT -5
When I heard about the match it was really the last thing that had me quasi-excited for something wrestling related in years. I liked the match, but not as much as I thought I should have. I think my 25+ years of fandom are just losing steam.
Jericho Omega was great, but it was followed by an even better match. The story telling and build to all of tuese shows is so well done. To stand out at all is tough. Obiously the last 2 matches had no fear in following young lions or Chesburger, but truly, everything that happens has that big fight feel and purpose.
I don't agree at all that the crowd wasn't into it or loud. Tokyo Dome is loud af. And that crowd was hot all 6 and half hours.
I watched it twice so far. And I think where people are let down is that the match was a full on brutal grudge match. It wasn't the most technically pretty match either of them could have. I think a lot of people, myself included was expecting less brawl and more transitions and holds.
They wrestled like it was the third match and a no dq brawl would finally decide who was better.
But that was the story. Jericho was a perfect gaijan heel. The story being told was perfectly executed. And im in the camp that its top tier match work. Two of the best telling a compelling and engaging story.
If you truly "don't get it" I think thats more being conditioned to one thing vs another and not really you not,getting anything. And I don't even think its culture clash or style. Wrestling is the most basic storytelling and that's why when it's done right it resonates the way it does.
People don't even have to speak the same language to communicate and perform together.
Are you sure you didn't go into this wanting to dislike it? Even just a little?
Cause it was really good. The whole show was.
I have a kenny omega and Minoru Suzuki 8x10 both signed for sale. Going through some,stuff and dont want them ruined.
I thought it was awesome and I am someone who hasn't paid much attention at all to wrestling since 2003, hates technical wrestling and that Cirque Du Solei indy fed crap, and agrees with Nash about "vanilla midgets". Maybe that style appeals more to guys like me. The entire match was just 2 guys beating the crap out of each other.
One match I didn't get was the Cody Rhodes match. It was so overly choreographed, it felt like watching one of those stunt shows at Universal Studios.