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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2018 12:10:26 GMT -5
I've yet to see any accuser since the Savile cases broke who has turned their allegations into any significant fame and/or fortune.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 14, 2018 12:17:25 GMT -5
I’d love for somebody to point out to me an instance where a producer or casting director has said, “Get me the person who accused [Insert celebrity] of sexual assault for the role.”
This prevailing idea that people come out with their stories of abuse for attention or job opportunity is just so stupid and completely unfounded.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 14, 2018 12:17:26 GMT -5
The idea that there's just rampant false accusations thrown out to try and get some benefit from it is a little weird. Generally, there's not much 'benefit' resulting from making an accusation, and in fact things are generally way more unpleasant for an accuser to the point that even if they were making stuff up, you wonder why they'd bother. Are there some cases where someone makes up an allegation for some financial gain or other benefit? Sure; there have been cases of that. But the percentage is so minor vs real assaults, unreported assaults, and cases where the accuser gets dragged through the mud for making an allegation that the 'FREE MONEY' thing just comes off as really, really goofy and tone deaf.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 14, 2018 12:34:23 GMT -5
A little different than everything else happening, still really sucks.
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Post by cosmo on Jan 14, 2018 12:39:57 GMT -5
At this point, it would probably be easier for there to just be a huge announcement that literally every man in Hollywood is a pervert.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 14, 2018 13:08:14 GMT -5
At this point, it would probably be easier for there to just be a huge announcement that literally every man in Hollywood is a pervert. Keanu and Hanks look down in shame at all the others!
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Post by Cyno on Jan 14, 2018 13:09:02 GMT -5
This sounds a lot more like a date that ended badly than Aziz Ansari being a sexual predator.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 14, 2018 13:28:11 GMT -5
This sounds a lot more like a date that ended badly than Aziz Ansari being a sexual predator. Him forcing his hand down her pants, and constantly asking for a a blowjob is not "a date ended badly"
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Post by The Last Hero on Jan 14, 2018 13:42:33 GMT -5
This sounds a lot more like a date that ended badly than Aziz Ansari being a sexual predator. Him forcing his hand down her pants, and constantly asking for a a blowjob is not "a date ended badly" That's a 10/10 point if he didn't then apparently receive one right after asking. This is a very unfortunate situation, Aziz is obviously at fault for this. I wouldn't put him with the likes of Weinstein unless he knew what power he had over her, because that seems to me to be the reason she didn't just simply say "No" because he was this famous guy.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 14, 2018 13:49:43 GMT -5
This sounds a lot more like a date that ended badly than Aziz Ansari being a sexual predator. Really? Because it sounds like someone with no concept of consent to me. A date ending badly is awkwardness and embarassment, not having consent repeatedly violated.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 14, 2018 13:50:21 GMT -5
This sounds a lot more like a date that ended badly than Aziz Ansari being a sexual predator. Him forcing his hand down her pants, and constantly asking for a a blowjob is not "a date ended badly" It absolutely sounds like a date that ended badly. In part because of the reasons you listed. He came off as desperate and pushy the entire night but nonetheless she remained. Him asking for a blowjob isn't rape. And by her own account she performed oral sex on him without being forced. I want to give the girl the benefit of the doubt, because I believe her of how thirsty homeboy probably was. And I believe her she regretted the entire ordeal once it was over. But by her own account, she remained and went along with it despite being conflicted about it. Playing devils advocate for her, I thought "Maybe she was too tipsy from the wine.." but she claims she felt uncomfortable the second things initially became physical. And yet remained there for the rest of the night. I truly think she was interested in him (she initiated contact by her own accord) and he just wanted to get laid. Thus why she didnt GTfO immediately. Does he come off like a horny scumbag? Yeah. Rapist or molestation?..I dunno. I don't think so. And that's going by her own recollection of events.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 14, 2018 13:51:55 GMT -5
When situations like that happen, the victim will do what is asked out of fear if they say no. If he was being as forceful as she described, she was probably doing it out of fear, considering the amount of times she tried to get away from him.
I love Aziz, and this breaks my heart, but I am not defending someone who used their fame and stature to get a blowie.
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Post by The Last Hero on Jan 14, 2018 13:58:27 GMT -5
When situations like that happen, the victim will do what is asked out of fear if they say no. If he was being as forceful as she described, she was probably doing it out of fear, considering the amount of times she tried to get away from him. I love Aziz, and this breaks my heart, but I am not defending someone who used their fame and stature to get a blowie. To be fair, we don't know what's in his head (I mean we do, sex) but can we say for certain that he understands how much power he has? Does that even matter? I don't know but I am wondering.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 14, 2018 13:59:11 GMT -5
When situations like that happen, the victim will do what is asked out of fear if they say no. If he was being as forceful as she described, she was probably doing it out of fear, considering the amount of times she tried to get away from him. I love Aziz, and this breaks my heart, but I am not defending someone who used their fame and stature to get a blowie. She continuously got away..but then came back. The second he got touchy feely she should of put a brake to things and leave. and he probably would of ended things right then anyway knowing she wasn't down to go any further. Again, she felt uncomfortable immediately and yet "the date" or "awkward-a-thon" or whatever you wanna call it, continued. I don't like Azis. And all his grandstanding about feminism, and love, and respect for women has kinda crashed now showing he's a hypocritical creep. I wouldn't go as far as call him a rapist, but he's definitely not the progressive saint he's painted himself to be. So now I'm guessing he follows Francos footsteps and goes on Colbert and delivers an awkward, rehearsed, stumbling apology.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 14, 2018 19:06:44 GMT -5
Yeah, NO. There's been too many confirmed cases for us to just casually dismiss this story. Yeah YES. There have also been way to many false rape accusations for me to believe anyone who has everything to gain and nothing to loose from making this up. My wife had a friend in college. She went to her room with a guy and he raped her. When she went to tell my wife and another friend what happened. The other friend told her it was her fault for drinking too much and for flirting with him. How many times do we hear the EXACT same thing when a woman is raped. She drank too much, she was flirting with him, she wore a skirt, and on and on. Even the case against Brock Turner. His dad said his life shouldn't be ruined over "20 minutes of action". This is why women don't report rape. As another poster stated before me, it's something like 2% of accusations turn into be false accusations.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 14, 2018 19:12:53 GMT -5
A lot of the responses in this thread are incredibly depressing.
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Post by Kyn on Jan 14, 2018 19:30:08 GMT -5
I was involved in a discussion on a different board about why victims don't speak up, and a lot said it was fear of not being believed (amongst other things). Some also said they don't think anyone would believe them because 'they weren't attractive' enough to have been raped/groped/etc; it was incredibly sad.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 14, 2018 19:45:19 GMT -5
A lot of the responses in this thread are incredibly depressing. This article is written by a tabloid in a tabloid style with no real evidence. This is not about dismissing someone, it about understanding what you are reading.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Jan 14, 2018 19:47:17 GMT -5
The idea that there's just rampant false accusations thrown out to try and get some benefit from it is a little weird. Generally, there's not much 'benefit' resulting from making an accusation, and in fact things are generally way more unpleasant for an accuser to the point that even if they were making stuff up, you wonder why they'd bother. Are there some cases where someone makes up an allegation for some financial gain or other benefit? Sure; there have been cases of that. But the percentage is so minor vs real assaults, unreported assaults, and cases where the accuser gets dragged through the mud for making an allegation that the 'FREE MONEY' thing just comes off as really, really goofy and tone deaf. But you can’t unring the bell. Ever. I heard years ago already if Wayne Gretzky were on an elevator alone and a woman got on with him, he’d just leave. No idea if it’s true, but the logic is, he didn’t need the hassle. Now that the pendulum has swung to “believe everyone and all accused must go away forever” the backlash when this dies down is going to be severe and we could wind up worse than where we started. There’s tons of things at play here. It depends who’s being accused, people dismissed or justified the Stan Lee accusations immediately, this one is being met with mostly “not surprised”. If drunken, ill advised, uncomfortable sex is wrong now the list of sexual predators is going to include almost everybody. I believe this girls story. We need to be extra careful to sort out sexual predators from buyers remorse.
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Post by Kyn on Jan 14, 2018 20:30:02 GMT -5
A lot of the responses in this thread are incredibly depressing. This article is written by a tabloid in a tabloid style with no real evidence. This is not about dismissing someone, it about understanding what you are reading. What I'm reading is that people think there's some wide spread epidemic of women falsely screaming 'rape' in pursuit of fame & fortune. That's pretty damn depressing.
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