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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 23, 2018 23:28:22 GMT -5
Random question, but is this the first time the Wwe fired an active champion? They didn't fire Madusa or Chyna, but they just let both of their contracts lapse.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 23, 2018 23:29:19 GMT -5
Random question, but is this the first time the Wwe fired an active champion? They didn't fire Madusa or Chyna, but they just let both of their contracts lapse. Jarrett's contract also lapsed but he agreed to a date to drop it.
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 23, 2018 23:30:23 GMT -5
in the video he says he's gay I didn’t see that, but if he said that, my apologies...although I have to ask what the context was in him talking about his sexuality while discussing this particular topic, but I digress. My point was that, when this story first broke, Heavy ran this article: www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/sports/2018/01/miss-gucci-witch-philomena/amp/Said article mentions that “as of November 2017 she is dating fellow aspiring actor, Sam Cook” and that article was posted before Sam’s YouTube video. Now I don’t know Heavy’s sources, but they’d have had no reason to randomly make that up, especially prior to Sam Cook inserting himself into the situation with his YouTube video. They are speculating. Granted I think one of the early videos he says she's his girlfriend, but I think he means girl friend if that makes sense. But He spoke out that he was gay because of people saying they were dating I mean his story makes a lot of sense. I don't know the real story but it rings of the most truth to me
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 23, 2018 23:41:57 GMT -5
Random question, but is this the first time the Wwe fired an active champion? Think so Usually before dudes are suspended or cut they drop the belt but this is a unique circumstance Jim Neidhart in 1990, sort of, right? I thought the story was that Vince was firing him, so they taped the Harts dropping the belts to the Rockers for SNME, and then a few days later Vince changed his mind and re-hired Neidhart, so they voided the (unaired) title change.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 24, 2018 0:22:55 GMT -5
This is just wishful thinking on my part, but lets for the sake of this scenario presume Enzo winds up innocent. For me, since he has a party-hard lifestyle, I'd see if WWE can get him in the rehab program. Maybe he has a drug issue he hasn't sorted. If you guys could make a call if he winds up innocent, what would you do? I don't see him as an unsalavagable case if innocent.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2018 0:30:37 GMT -5
This is just wishful thinking on my part, but lets for the sake of this scenario presume Enzo winds up innocent. For me, since he has a party-hard lifestyle, I'd see if WWE can get him in the rehab program. Maybe he has a drug issue he hasn't sorted. If you guys could make a call if he winds up innocent, what would you do? I don't see him as an unsalavagable case if innocent. Assuming he's innocent and this was consensual sex but their was drugs involved, I think WWE would reach out to get him to go to rehab but it would be up to Enzo to accept the offer and go With how immature he is, who knows what would happen if he's innocent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 0:32:28 GMT -5
This is just wishful thinking on my part, but lets for the sake of this scenario presume Enzo winds up innocent. For me, since he has a party-hard lifestyle, I'd see if WWE can get him in the rehab program. Maybe he has a drug issue he hasn't sorted. If you guys could make a call if he winds up innocent, what would you do? I don't see him as an unsalavagable case if innocent. This is one of those cases where the distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent" is on full display. It's seeming less and less likely, in a court of law, that Enzo will be proven guilty of the crime of rape beyond a reasonable doubt, just given all of the he said she said that's going on throughout this. That doesn't make Enzo innocent for what likely happened here, though. We know that he was, at the very least, partying with teenagers and flaunting his fame. Given all of the other stories that have come out about Enzo, his ego, and his tendency to live the gimmick just a bit too much over the past year or so, I don't think he's very likely to get another shot with WWE any time soon. He was already considered locker room poison BEFORE he got himself mired in the biggest scandal the company has seen in years. He was on tenuous ground with his party-hard, gaudy, womanizing lifestyle as an employee of a company that projects a very family-friendly image these days even before all this happened. I just don't see him as the kind of guy WWE will give the benefit of the doubt to. Re-hiring Enzo wouldn't be his second chance - he already had his second chance after all the stuff with strippers and the quarters and the being kicked off the bus, etc...and then this story broke. That being said, never say never. Enzo was undeniably massively over and made the company quite a bit of money on merchandise sales. If he's ultimately exonerated and WWE feels like this has been a learning experience for him and he's done some SIGNIFICANT maturing I could maybe see them giving him another shot down the road. But right now, in today's political climate, turning around and re-hiring him is not something I see WWE doing immediately regardless of the outcome of his criminal case.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 24, 2018 0:36:07 GMT -5
They didn't fire Madusa or Chyna, but they just let both of their contracts lapse. Jarrett's contract also lapsed but he agreed to a date to drop it. "Capital G-Double O-Double N-E." "GONE!"
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 24, 2018 0:40:41 GMT -5
I haven't finished Raw 25 and was staying off wrestling sites to avoid spoilers, and when I saw "statement from Enzo's lawyer" I assumed it was an angle. If true, holy shit, good riddance to bad rubbish. But still, rape is hard to prove after so much time has elapsed, as physical evidence will fade away.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 24, 2018 0:41:51 GMT -5
This is just wishful thinking on my part, but lets for the sake of this scenario presume Enzo winds up innocent. For me, since he has a party-hard lifestyle, I'd see if WWE can get him in the rehab program. Maybe he has a drug issue he hasn't sorted. If you guys could make a call if he winds up innocent, what would you do? I don't see him as an unsalavagable case if innocent. This is one of those cases where the distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent" is on full display. It's seeming less and less likely, in a court of law, that Enzo will be proven guilty of the crime of rape beyond a reasonable doubt, just given all of the he said she said that's going on throughout this. That doesn't make Enzo innocent for what likely happened here, though. We know that he was, at the very least, partying with teenagers and flaunting his fame. Given all of the other stories that have come out about Enzo, his ego, and his tendency to live the gimmick just a bit too much over the past year or so, I don't think he's very likely to get another shot with WWE any time soon. He was already considered locker room poison BEFORE he got himself mired in the biggest scandal the company has seen in years. He was on tenuous ground with his party-hard, gaudy, womanizing lifestyle as an employee of a company that projects a very family-friendly image these days even before all this happened. I just don't see him as the kind of guy WWE will give the benefit of the doubt to. Re-hiring Enzo wouldn't be his second chance - he already had his second chance after all the stuff with strippers and the quarters and the being kicked off the bus, etc...and then this story broke. That being said, never say never. Enzo was undeniably massively over and made the company quite a bit of money on merchandise sales. If he's ultimately exonerated and WWE feels like this has been a learning experience for him and he's done some SIGNIFICANT maturing I could maybe see them giving him another shot down the road. But right now, in today's political climate, turning around and re-hiring him is not something I see WWE doing immediately regardless of the outcome of his criminal case. Nor do I see him being immediately rehired down the road, but if he is indeed innocent, WWE should be willing to give him another shot in time. That's why I think splitting him and Cass was such a mistake. Cass probably helped keep him grounded more than we know.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 24, 2018 0:52:39 GMT -5
Someone definitely needs to turn this guys video over to the police involved in the case though considering he specifically states in the video that he is going through hoops to make sure the police dont get them "he specifically states in the video that he is going through hoops to make sure the police dont get them." Yet he posts a video about it onto Youtube, where anybody can see it. They really didn't think that one through. The only thing I'm sure about in this whole clusterf*** is that we aren't dealing with a group of MENSA members here.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 24, 2018 1:04:04 GMT -5
Nothing in this thread is libel man, come on. We’re all commenting on a story that has been published all over the media. Yes, they are allegations, but there’s factual basis for the discussion we’re having. Please take my advice and exercise caution. Not that it's likely in the case of being found innocent, that Enzo Amore would trawl through every page of this thread exercising litigation, but he most certainly could with some posts. The internet does not give anyone protection against this. Libel for a public figure is a pretty onerous standard. Not that I'm a lawyer (but I did sleep a Holiday Inn last night), but nothing here remotely meets that standard.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 24, 2018 1:08:02 GMT -5
"he specifically states in the video that he is going through hoops to make sure the police dont get them." Yet he posts a video about it onto Youtube, where anybody can see it. They really didn't think that one through. The only thing I'm sure about in this whole clusterf*** is that we aren't dealing with a group of MENSA members here. Forgive my naivety again, but what is MENSA?
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 24, 2018 1:09:31 GMT -5
The only thing I'm sure about in this whole clusterf*** is that we aren't dealing with a group of MENSA members here. Forgive my naivety again, but what is MENSA? The club of geniuses. I'm sure Lanny Poffo was a member. I'm too stupid to know what it stands for off the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 1:11:46 GMT -5
This is one of those cases where the distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent" is on full display. It's seeming less and less likely, in a court of law, that Enzo will be proven guilty of the crime of rape beyond a reasonable doubt, just given all of the he said she said that's going on throughout this. That doesn't make Enzo innocent for what likely happened here, though. We know that he was, at the very least, partying with teenagers and flaunting his fame. Given all of the other stories that have come out about Enzo, his ego, and his tendency to live the gimmick just a bit too much over the past year or so, I don't think he's very likely to get another shot with WWE any time soon. He was already considered locker room poison BEFORE he got himself mired in the biggest scandal the company has seen in years. He was on tenuous ground with his party-hard, gaudy, womanizing lifestyle as an employee of a company that projects a very family-friendly image these days even before all this happened. I just don't see him as the kind of guy WWE will give the benefit of the doubt to. Re-hiring Enzo wouldn't be his second chance - he already had his second chance after all the stuff with strippers and the quarters and the being kicked off the bus, etc...and then this story broke. That being said, never say never. Enzo was undeniably massively over and made the company quite a bit of money on merchandise sales. If he's ultimately exonerated and WWE feels like this has been a learning experience for him and he's done some SIGNIFICANT maturing I could maybe see them giving him another shot down the road. But right now, in today's political climate, turning around and re-hiring him is not something I see WWE doing immediately regardless of the outcome of his criminal case. Nor do I see him being immediately rehired down the road, but if he is indeed innocent, WWE should be willing to give him another shot in time. That's why I think splitting him and Cass was such a mistake. Cass probably helped keep him grounded more than we know. If the guy needs a babysitter then maybe he isn't fit for the job in the first place though. Not really a fair spot to put Cass in. It's hard for me to believe Enzo's anything but screwed. He's gonna have to get his name cleared with no uncertain terms or he's gonna have a stigma that I can't see WWE looking past. Even if he's deemed not guilty, any sliver of doubt will be bad for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 1:11:56 GMT -5
Really whether Enzo did it or not, the only real ways I can at this juncture with the information we have see anything coming from this are either if those investigating have some kind of smoking gun or if another victim comes out. If this accuser's story is to be believed then I have a very, very hard time seeing her being his first. It's too calculated and too much talked about like it's routine.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 24, 2018 1:12:42 GMT -5
Please take my advice and exercise caution. Not that it's likely in the case of being found innocent, that Enzo Amore would trawl through every page of this thread exercising litigation, but he most certainly could with some posts. The internet does not give anyone protection against this. Libel for a public figure is a pretty onerous standard. Not that I'm a lawyer (but I did sleep a Holiday Inn last night), but nothing here remotely meets that standard. Ixnay on that. Guessing you're a late arrival, but the libel debate got heated so we put the kibosh on it.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 24, 2018 1:14:10 GMT -5
Libel for a public figure is a pretty onerous standard. Not that I'm a lawyer (but I did sleep a Holiday Inn last night), but nothing here remotely meets that standard. Ixnay on that. Guessing you're a late arrival, but the libel debate got heated so we put the kibosh on it. You are correct. My apologies. I believe I'll read thru this whole thread before another response. See you all in a week!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2018 1:15:28 GMT -5
Really whether Enzo did it or not, the only real ways I can at this juncture with the information we have see anything coming from this are either if those investigating have some kind of smoking gun or if another victim comes out. If this accuser's story is to be believed then I have a very, very hard time seeing her being his first. It's too calculated and too much talked about like it's routine. Right that's the scary thing if this is true because that all sounds way too calculated for it to have happened only this first time which is a scary thought
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 24, 2018 1:16:43 GMT -5
He absolutely deserved to lose his job for not telling Vince or anyone else. Aside from everything else, he should stay fired just for that. If the accusations are true, throw him in a deep hole. That's the damn truth. If he's cleared, every company is still going to have to ask the question of "Do we trust him?". He was trusted to be the top guy on 205 Live, they gave him main event slots, they were building him up as a top heel, and he never told them that he was under investigation. I gotta think that WWE won't trust him even if he's cleared, it will take years of his best behavior to get another shot.
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