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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 16, 2018 7:51:40 GMT -5
I was so hoping Barry would take his head off to reveal Omega who proceeds to maul Cody. This is a really frigging good storyline. I genuinely can't think of the last time a mutiny/stable kicks out the leader angle went WRONG, and the mutineer failed. It must have been done but I honestly can't think of when. It's got me so curious because it feels genuinely different.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 16, 2018 9:25:05 GMT -5
And the great thing about it here is that it would fit the characters involved so well; Cody is supposed to be a self-obsessed schemer who thinks too highly of himself, who thinks he can waltz into Bullet Club and just take over because, hey, that's how we'd do it in Western wrestling, right? All the while he convinces himself that little things like "Kenny and the Bucks are literally best friends and have been for years" couldn't possibly get in the way because, hey, he's Cody friggin' Rhodes, he was able to become their "new best friend" in only about one year, and who could possibly refuse him over anybody else?
He's at the point now where he's getting "LEADER" printed on his ring gear (look up his Twitter), putting "Leader of the Bullet Club" on his Twitter homepage, and even assuming that the Pacific Islander boys are perfectly ok with what he's doing, blatantly ignoring that Tama was probably lighting into him, not Kenny, who Tama isn't fond of but at least holds a basic respect for due to Kenny beating him during G1, when he cut his recent promo about people trying to "take the wheel" of Bullet Club. Heck, tell me this doesn't smack of Fale giving him a false sense of security:
Don't know exactly what the end game will end up being, but it's fun to see the strings all kind of begin unraveling and intertwining back in a new way.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Feb 16, 2018 12:28:40 GMT -5
And the great thing about it here is that it would fit the characters involved so well; Cody is supposed to be a self-obsessed schemer who thinks too highly of himself, who thinks he can waltz into Bullet Club and just take over because, hey, that's how we'd do it in Western wrestling, right? All the while he convinces himself that little things like "Kenny and the Bucks are literally best friends and have been for years" couldn't possibly get in the way because, hey, he's Cody friggin' Rhodes, he was able to become their "new best friend" in only about one year, and who could possibly refuse him over anybody else? He's at the point now where he's getting "LEADER" printed on his ring gear (look up his Twitter), putting "Leader of the Bullet Club" on his Twitter homepage, and even assuming that the Pacific Islander boys are perfectly ok with what he's doing, blatantly ignoring that Tama was probably lighting into him, not Kenny, who Tama isn't fond of but at least holds a basic respect for due to Kenny beating him during G1, when he cut his recent promo about people trying to "take the wheel" of Bullet Club. Heck, tell me this doesn't smack of Fale giving him a false sense of security: Don't know exactly what the end game will end up being, but it's fun to see the strings all kind of begin unraveling and intertwining back in a new way. I think that's my favourite part of this; Cody is attempting a coup with only ONE follower (Hangman). Even Kenny had the rest of the group behind him when he kicked out AJ and Cole. Also, is anyone else expecting/waiting for the Bucks to superkick Barry?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 16, 2018 12:36:07 GMT -5
As somebody who only vaguely follows NJPW and ROH, can somebody give me the "Cliff's Notes" version of this storyline? Because it sounds f***ing amazing.
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Post by Muskrat on Feb 16, 2018 12:58:15 GMT -5
I damn near pissed myself with the Barry The Bear but. Marty basically playing the Sid role was amazing. Even better, I think he was supposed to be Davey Boy. Also, Matt with the quiet "This really jumped the shark" was great. Marty was definitely Davey Boy, he even busted out the "He feel right on his f***in' arse!!" line
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 16, 2018 15:19:51 GMT -5
As somebody who only vaguely follows NJPW and ROH, can somebody give me the "Cliff's Notes" version of this storyline? Because it sounds f***ing amazing. Trying to keep it brief: Kenny Omega took over the Bullet Club in 2016 upon kicking AJ Styles out of the group and, even though he had his support, the departure of Karl Anderson. Kenny is best of friends with the Young Bucks (Matt and Nick Jackson), and together they formed a sort of mini-team within Bullet Club called "The Elite"; they often tag together, have won the 6-man belts together, and will tour together internationally quite often. In a weird way the Bucks sort of represent Bullet Club in the United States (along with other ROH regulars like Cody, Hangman Page, and Marty Scurll), while the other guys are in Japan more often; this has led to a bit of an identity crisis for the faction. However, going back further in time, Kenny Omega came to Japan earlier than a lot of the other gaijin on the scene right now: he got his big start in the promotion known as DDT, where he challenged and then often teamed with Kota Ibushi. While DDT is the promotion that Jim Cornette made infamous stateside when he ranted about Kota fighting a blow-up doll and Kenny having a match with a 9 year old girl, it's still a widely viewed promotion that put both guys on the map and made them into puroresu stars, with Omega being one of the few North Americans to make a full time living in Japan during the mid-to-late 00s. Together, Kenny and Kota were known as the "Golden Lovers", and they eventually came to NJPW where they won the IWGP Jr. Tag belts and feuded with the team of Apollo 55 (Prince Devitt (now Finn Balor) and Ryusuke Taguchi). They really caught the Japanese wrestling world's attention for their unique offense and storytelling abilities, and seemed as inseparable as brothers. Eventually Kota moved up to the heavyweight ranks in NJPW and nearly became a top star; Kenny signed full time as a junior, but swerved the fans by turning heel and joining Bullet Club. Kota and Kenny rarely interacted after that, but when they did there was always a tension in the air. For example, Kota once challenged AJ Styles for the IWGP heavyweight title and had to deal with Bullet Club interference; when Kenny was due to take a swipe at Ibushi, both men hesitated, making it clear they still hadn't put their past behind them. Kota never did sign full time with NJPW, leading to his never winning a top singles belt and his brief WWE run with the Cruiserweight Classic, but while he was gone Kenny rose to the top of the wrestling world thanks to his G1 tournament win and feud with Okada. To bring it all home: Kota returned to NJPW in a formal manner for last year's G1 tournament, and in interviews Kenny kept hinting that he wanted to face him in the finals, though he wouldn't even refer to Kota by name most of the time. At the same time, Kenny was dealing with some dissension within Bullet Club: while he became great friends with the Bucks as well, the introduction of Cody Rhodes to the group had placed another "alpha type" personality to the mix and led to numerous moments of Cody seeming to undermine Kenny's leadership in subtle ways. At the same time Tama Tonga, an original Bullet Club member, had begun to speak out more about not liking the direction Kenny was taking the Club, feeling they were straying from their solidly heel roots and becoming soft, or becoming a platform for The Elite to grow as a brand instead of thriving as a stable. Kenny beat Tama during G1 last year to silence him for awhile, but Cody's eventual betrayal this past January seemed to have been inevitable. Hangman Page sided with Cody, but everyone else seems conflicted over the situation. The great shock, though, was that Kenny was saved from further beatings by Kota Ibushi, leading to a veritable Randy Savage/Elizabeth reunion moment between the two. Since then Kenny and Kota have officially reunited as a team...but Kenny has not officially dropped out of Bullet Club. Cody is now calling himself the leader of Bullet Club, Page is on his side, the Bucks have not formally declared what they feel should happen to the Club going forward or whom they side with, and the Tongan guys (Tama Tonga, his brothers, and "Underboss" Bad Luck Fale) seem to just be biding their time and keeping track of where the wind blows in this tiff. We'll get a better picture of what's happening soon: this weekend in Australia Cody is teaming with the Bucks, while Kenny is teaming with the Tongan guys. At ROH's Supercard of Honor around Wrestlemania time this year, Kenny and Cody will square off one on one. Omega and Ibushi are also scheduled for some big matches during the next couple of months. The eventual and ultimate outcome of all of this, however, is up in the air. EDIT: I should add, one match that Omega and Ibushi had against one another for DDT managed to draw 10,000 fans. Given the bigger stage of NJPW, there will likely be plenty of demand for their eventual clash now, should something change and we end up getting it at, say, a Wrestle Kingdom.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 16, 2018 15:21:06 GMT -5
And after that big wall of text, I meant to post this!
The boys are reunited, training, and trying to adjust to being bigger, older, and simply different than they were 8-10 years ago.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Feb 16, 2018 16:59:08 GMT -5
And what makes it amazing to me is the Bucks...proving YET AGAIN that for all the killing the business shit people like Cornette throw their way they might actually know what the f*** they’re doing...have driven this angle through a damn YouTube show that started as another way to strengthen their brand and move some more merch.
Vince and company could only HOPE that, even with all their resources and TV time, they could come up with an angle that has this many twists and turns and cohesive story telling.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 16, 2018 17:03:45 GMT -5
Knowing that Kenny is teaming with the GoD on the Australian tours probably explains why Chase Owens is teaming with the Golden Lovers at Honor Rising. I thought it strange that he was getting stuck there, but as an Honorary Tongan, now it makes more sense.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 16, 2018 17:04:48 GMT -5
And what makes it amazing to me is the Bucks...proving YET AGAIN that for all the killing the business shit people like Cornette throw their way they might actually know what the f*** they’re doing...have driven this angle through a damn YouTube show that started as another way to strengthen their brand and move some more merch. Vince and company could only HOPE that, even with all their resources and TV time, they could come up with an angle that has this many twists and turns and cohesive story telling. They really have become DX if DX (HHH and HBK mostly) weren't completely insufferable.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 16, 2018 17:30:46 GMT -5
And what makes it amazing to me is the Bucks...proving YET AGAIN that for all the killing the business shit people like Cornette throw their way they might actually know what the f*** they’re doing...have driven this angle through a damn YouTube show that started as another way to strengthen their brand and move some more merch. Vince and company could only HOPE that, even with all their resources and TV time, they could come up with an angle that has this many twists and turns and cohesive story telling. I love how stretched out, fluid, natural and realistic most angles come off in Japan.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 16, 2018 18:14:59 GMT -5
Knowing that Kenny is teaming with the GoD on the Australian tours probably explains why Chase Owens is teaming with the Golden Lovers at Honor Rising. I thought it strange that he was getting stuck there, but as an Honorary Tongan, now it makes more sense. I think it's also that Chase represents the New Japan side of Bullet Club, while Cody, Hangman, and Marty are all pretty solidly ROH guys. In this ROH/New Japan supercard, that'd be the sensible direction to book it from. Also come on Chase isn't an "Honorary" Tongan. Don't sell the guy short.
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Post by eJm on Feb 16, 2018 18:18:16 GMT -5
Knowing that Kenny is teaming with the GoD on the Australian tours probably explains why Chase Owens is teaming with the Golden Lovers at Honor Rising. I thought it strange that he was getting stuck there, but as an Honorary Tongan, now it makes more sense. I think it's also that Chase represents the New Japan side of Bullet Club, while Cody, Hangman, and Marty are all pretty solidly ROH guys. In this ROH/New Japan supercard, that'd be the sensible direction to book it from. Also come on Chase isn't an "Honorary" Tongan. Don't sell the guy short. Didn’t Haku give him his seal of approval? That’s like when Beerus showed his respect to Master Roshi in Super.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 16, 2018 18:26:46 GMT -5
I think it's also that Chase represents the New Japan side of Bullet Club, while Cody, Hangman, and Marty are all pretty solidly ROH guys. In this ROH/New Japan supercard, that'd be the sensible direction to book it from. Also come on Chase isn't an "Honorary" Tongan. Don't sell the guy short. Didn’t Haku give him his seal of approval? That’s like when Beerus showed his respect to Master Roshi in Super. It's friggin ridiculous that a ham n egger like Chase gets named an Honorary Tongan, but c'mon, you be the one to tell Haku that he's wrong on this one.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Feb 16, 2018 18:37:28 GMT -5
Didn’t Haku give him his seal of approval? That’s like when Beerus showed his respect to Master Roshi in Super. It's friggin ridiculous that a ham n egger like Chase gets named an Honorary Tongan, but c'mon, you be the one to tell Haku that he's wrong on this one. Or in any situation. If Haku says you're a Tongan than congratulations, you now hail from Tonga and your head is harder than a cinder block.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 16, 2018 18:53:03 GMT -5
]Also, is anyone else expecting/waiting for the Bucks to superkick Barry? I am expecting Barry takes out the Bucks or Omega at the 15th Anniversary PPV and being revealed as Jericho. Jericho's Alpha Club against The Elite (or Bullet Club).
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Post by Malibu Albino on Feb 16, 2018 20:35:22 GMT -5
]Also, is anyone else expecting/waiting for the Bucks to superkick Barry? I am expecting Barry takes out the Bucks or Omega at the 15th Anniversary PPV and being revealed as Jericho. Jericho's Alpha Club against The Elite (or Bullet Club). You talked about Jericho coming to ROH in another thread, is there an actual rumor about this or just a guess because it doesn't seem likely to me. Of course neither did Wrestle Kingdom so it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 16, 2018 21:49:41 GMT -5
I am expecting Barry takes out the Bucks or Omega at the 15th Anniversary PPV and being revealed as Jericho. Jericho's Alpha Club against The Elite (or Bullet Club). You talked about Jericho coming to ROH in another thread, is there an actual rumor about this or just a guess because it doesn't seem likely to me. Of course neither did Wrestle Kingdom so it wouldn't be the first time. Just a guess. Between his NJPW stuff and working with ROH on his cruise this summer, I'm guessing he'll be doing something with them.
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Post by Convoy on Feb 17, 2018 0:23:09 GMT -5
HMARK had a great recap of everything, and there's just a bit more I wanted to add. This part blurs the lines of real/fake a bit, which helps push the various ways this can play out.
There is an interview from a while back where Omega explains the creation of "The Elite." He noted that it had two purposes: 1. To retain ownership for merchandising purposes (as NJPW obviously owns "Bullet Club") and 2. To differentiate the praise both he and the Young Bucks were getting. To paraphrase him here, Omega basically said that all praise was really directed at the three of them, and no one was ever praising the rest of Bullet Club anyway. The only follow-up comment to this (as there was little backlash) was Omega admitting he has an ego which he considers fair for his talent and position in the wrestling world.
Following this, there were no comments from Tama, Fale or anyone else. Tama in the last 6-9 months will occasionally take shots at The Elite (and it really gets blurred around the G1). Now, I think Tama's comments are mostly a work since GOD/Fale/Yujiro's positions have not suffered (and why would they), and they got the same in with Hot Topic as all other members. I will say that it's clear that the ROH group hang out as one clique and the Tongans/Chase/Yujiro are another, but that probably has more to do with age, history and personality than any animosity.
In short, BC Japan likely prefer to keep doing their own thing, as not much will change with their positioning regardless of Cody/Omega's outcome. Everyone is at their ceiling, with the exception of HIKULEO, who could be a monster baddie like Fale is/was during his IC title reign and various G1/NJ Cup outings.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Feb 17, 2018 2:02:57 GMT -5
I do find it awesome that despite all the other newer members of Bullet Club to stick with OGBC, it's Chase Owens that has a place with the Tongans/Yujiro.
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