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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 16, 2018 11:53:22 GMT -5
And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, everybody talks about how talented he is, but I can't name a single memorable match he's ever had, WWE or otherwise. And then once he went and smacked his wife around...yeah, I don't wish him well in his future endevours. In fact, I kinda hope he winds up working at Wal-Mart, and gets fired from that, too. I'm going to be honest here for a moment and have a soap box moment, attitudes like this are why people who commit crimes struggle to ever better themselves and can't get away from that life. You literally just made a comment that basically he should lose everything and never be allowed to work a job or anything because of this. So should be just off himself then? If you don't think he deserves to continue his wrestling career or even work at Wal-Mart what do you expect him to do? Be a homeless guy or commit crimes? I understand what he did isn't cool and all but this attitude is how people never better themselves and why people get stuck in a cycle they can't escape. You'd think the proper attitude would be, if this guy turns it around and doesn't mess up anymore maybe he deserves another chance, not dude I hope he continues his cycle and can't hold a job so be comes a more serious criminal because he has no other options. Fair enough. But on my soapbox, rapists, child abusers/molesters, and men who are violent toward women are human garbage who deserve absolutely no sympathy because they clearly possess none. And frankly, I don't give a shit what happens to them. If he winds up sitting in jail because his life spirals downward, he has no one to blame for that spiral but himself. He had a job working for the very top company in his chosen profession, and he pissed it all away over a stupid argument with his wife. He was living a dream that so many decent people will never even get close to, and he ruined it through stupid, unforgivable actions. f*** him, absolutely no sympy.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 16, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
I'm going to be honest here for a moment and have a soap box moment, attitudes like this are why people who commit crimes struggle to ever better themselves and can't get away from that life. You literally just made a comment that basically he should lose everything and never be allowed to work a job or anything because of this. So should be just off himself then? If you don't think he deserves to continue his wrestling career or even work at Wal-Mart what do you expect him to do? Be a homeless guy or commit crimes? I understand what he did isn't cool and all but this attitude is how people never better themselves and why people get stuck in a cycle they can't escape. You'd think the proper attitude would be, if this guy turns it around and doesn't mess up anymore maybe he deserves another chance, not dude I hope he continues his cycle and can't hold a job so be comes a more serious criminal because he has no other options. Fair enough. But on my soapbox, rapists, child abusers/molesters, and men who are violent toward women are human garbage who deserve absolutely no sympathy because they clearly possess none. And frankly, I don't give a shit what happens to them. If he winds up sitting in jail because his life spirals downward, he has no one to blame for that spiral but himself. He had a job working for the very top company in his chosen profession, and he pissed it all away over a stupid argument with his wife. He was living a dream that so many decent people will never even get close to, and he ruined it through stupid, unforgivable actions. f*** him, absolutely no sympy. You sound like all the people that lost their shit when the Chiefs drafted Tyreek Hill, and I'll respond the same way, people are worthy of more than one chance if they show they are. Being a wrestler is a job same as being a football player is a job same as anything else, because they have the talent to do that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to ever do it again because they f***ed up. Everyone makes mistakes and should be allowed to work their way back from them. Swann isn't going to jail so as long as he keeps his nose clean I have zero issues with him. I just always personally find it weird how people get indignant over Swann or Hogan but hey Steve Austin we'll ignore that one.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 16, 2018 12:01:33 GMT -5
And nothing of value was lost. Seriously, everybody talks about how talented he is, but I can't name a single memorable match he's ever had, WWE or otherwise. And then once he went and smacked his wife around...yeah, I don't wish him well in his future endevours. In fact, I kinda hope he winds up working at Wal-Mart, and gets fired from that, too. I'm going to be honest here for a moment and have a soap box moment, attitudes like this are why people who commit crimes struggle to ever better themselves and can't get away from that life. You literally just made a comment that basically he should lose everything and never be allowed to work a job or anything because of this. So should be just off himself then? If you don't think he deserves to continue his wrestling career or even work at Wal-Mart what do you expect him to do? Be a homeless guy or commit crimes? I understand what he did isn't cool and all but this attitude is how people never better themselves and why people get stuck in a cycle they can't escape. You'd think the proper attitude would be, if this guy turns it around and doesn't mess up anymore maybe he deserves another chance, not dude I hope he continues his cycle and can't hold a job so be comes a more serious criminal because he has no other options. This. A million times this. When we close doors on someone's hope to turn their life around, we shouldn't be surprised when the only door left takes that person into darker and darker places, and only leads them to hurt more people more severely. Perhaps another promotion will make good use of Rich Swann and WWE can look at him again in a couple years' time. Wishing for another person's destruction says a hell of a lot more about the person making the wish than it does about the person they're wishing it on.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 16, 2018 12:03:35 GMT -5
Hey, as far as I'm concerned, dude's more than welcome to make a living. Wal-Mart's always hiring greeters. Same goes for Hogan. Don't reward them for being shitty people with fame and six-figure contracts.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 16, 2018 12:05:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be honest here for a moment and have a soap box moment, attitudes like this are why people who commit crimes struggle to ever better themselves and can't get away from that life. You literally just made a comment that basically he should lose everything and never be allowed to work a job or anything because of this. So should be just off himself then? If you don't think he deserves to continue his wrestling career or even work at Wal-Mart what do you expect him to do? Be a homeless guy or commit crimes? I understand what he did isn't cool and all but this attitude is how people never better themselves and why people get stuck in a cycle they can't escape. You'd think the proper attitude would be, if this guy turns it around and doesn't mess up anymore maybe he deserves another chance, not dude I hope he continues his cycle and can't hold a job so be comes a more serious criminal because he has no other options. This. A million times this. When we close doors on someone's hope to turn their life around, we shouldn't be surprised when the only door left takes that person into darker and darker places, and only leads them to hurt more people more severely. Perhaps another promotion will make good use of Rich Swann and WWE can look at him again in a couple years' time. Wishing for another person's destruction says a hell of a lot more about the person making the wish than it does about the person they're wishing it on. Also if you look at Rich Swann's background it is not at all surprising he is going to have some issues. Anyone that grows up like that and goes through all of that is going to have some issues. If anything it shows that he probably needs some serious therapy to work through his issues more than anything. This isn't a guy who just is mean and violent, this is a guy who has a lot of classic tells for someone who went through a ton of trauma in his formative years.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 16, 2018 12:12:54 GMT -5
This. A million times this. When we close doors on someone's hope to turn their life around, we shouldn't be surprised when the only door left takes that person into darker and darker places, and only leads them to hurt more people more severely. Perhaps another promotion will make good use of Rich Swann and WWE can look at him again in a couple years' time. Wishing for another person's destruction says a hell of a lot more about the person making the wish than it does about the person they're wishing it on. Also if you look at Rich Swann's background it is not at all surprising he is going to have some issues. Anyone that grows up like that and goes through all of that is going to have some issues. If anything it shows that he probably needs some serious therapy to work through his issues more than anything. This isn't a guy who just is mean and violent, this is a guy who has a lot of classic tells for someone who went through a ton of trauma in his formative years. You know what, no. He had a bad childhood, and I feel for him. But now? He's grown. He's a grown ass man, who made a grown ass choice, and needs to see the grown ass consequences.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 16, 2018 12:15:48 GMT -5
Also if you look at Rich Swann's background it is not at all surprising he is going to have some issues. Anyone that grows up like that and goes through all of that is going to have some issues. If anything it shows that he probably needs some serious therapy to work through his issues more than anything. This isn't a guy who just is mean and violent, this is a guy who has a lot of classic tells for someone who went through a ton of trauma in his formative years. You know what, no. He had a bad childhood, and I feel for him. But now? He's grown. He's a grown ass man, who made a grown ass choice, and needs to see the grown ass consequences. Having a bad childhood and having your dad be murdered by his G/F when your 12 and then having your mom die at 16 are not the same thing. Go talk to anyone who works in that field they will tell you that kid is going to be screwed up for a very long time. It's on him as an adult to work through his issues yes but I guarantee you those things will always be with him for the rest of his life.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 16, 2018 12:20:46 GMT -5
You know what, no. He had a bad childhood, and I feel for him. But now? He's grown. He's a grown ass man, who made a grown ass choice, and needs to see the grown ass consequences. Having a bad childhood and having your dad be murdered by his G/F when your 12 and then having your mom die at 16 are not the same thing. Go talk to anyone who works in that field they will tell you that kid is going to be screwed up for a very long time. It's on him as an adult to work through his issues yes but I guarantee you those things will always be with him for the rest of his life. And once again, he experienced tragedy, and I feel for him. He still f***ed up, he should still pay up. Tragedy doesn't change that. You know who I feel worse for? His wife, the actual victim here.
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Post by schma on Feb 16, 2018 13:17:01 GMT -5
Unless your name is Steve Austin. Well, when you come up with a legal way to seize all of his assets and leave him destitute, you let us know. I'm not sure what seizing his assets or leaving him destitute would have to do with anything. My comment was more on the fact that Steve Austin basically gets a pass from WWE and most fans. It may be because the internet was still relatively young when he was beating his wife, it may be because people have trouble disassociating Stone Cold the character from the man or something else. However, I don't think there was ever a point where WWE turned to him and said, 'hey we can't do business with you anymore because of domestic abuse'. I am glad that they seem to be taking it more seriously now.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 16, 2018 13:57:05 GMT -5
Fair enough. But on my soapbox, rapists, child abusers/molesters, and men who are violent toward women are human garbage who deserve absolutely no sympathy because they clearly possess none. And frankly, I don't give a shit what happens to them. If he winds up sitting in jail because his life spirals downward, he has no one to blame for that spiral but himself. He had a job working for the very top company in his chosen profession, and he pissed it all away over a stupid argument with his wife. He was living a dream that so many decent people will never even get close to, and he ruined it through stupid, unforgivable actions. f*** him, absolutely no sympy. You sound like all the people that lost their shit when the Chiefs drafted Tyreek Hill, and I'll respond the same way, people are worthy of more than one chance if they show they are. Being a wrestler is a job same as being a football player is a job same as anything else, because they have the talent to do that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to ever do it again because they f***ed up. Everyone makes mistakes and should be allowed to work their way back from them. Swann isn't going to jail so as long as he keeps his nose clean I have zero issues with him. I just always personally find it weird how people get indignant over Swann or Hogan but hey Steve Austin we'll ignore that one. It's just a difference of opinion, and that's cool, although I do find it strange that you note that you're cool with him since he's not going to jail. So...you can do whatever, just as long as you don't serve time for it? That's...an odd way of looking at things. Also, I never once let Hogan or Austin off the hook. They just aren't important to this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 14:01:00 GMT -5
Personally I think so long as a person keeps their nose clean for awhile afterward, I don't mind them getting a second chance down the line.
Like putting it this way. Bram I take issue with because there's a pattern of behavior there with him, and even getting away from his violent streak he does stupid shit like the sitting on a freezer thing. But I wouldn't have any issue if WWE picked up Moose because by all signs, the guy's not really been involved in anything further for the past decade and has kept his head down.
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Post by Facetious on Feb 16, 2018 14:08:44 GMT -5
Personally I think so long as a person keeps their nose clean for awhile afterward, I don't mind them getting a second chance down the line. Like putting it this way. Bram I take issue with because there's a pattern of behavior there with him, and even getting away from his violent streak he does stupid shit like the sitting on a freezer thing. But I wouldn't have any issue if WWE picked up Moose because by all signs, the guy's not really been involved in anything further for the past decade and has kept his head down. Exactly, I don't understand the whole "you messed up once, YOU'RE DEAD". I'm all for Swann having a second chance a few years down the line if he cleans up his act and tries to better himself. Bram, on the other hand, has zero qualms about what he's done and is dismissive when called out on it. He can get f***ed for all I care.
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Post by eJm on Feb 16, 2018 14:13:53 GMT -5
Personally I think so long as a person keeps their nose clean for awhile afterward, I don't mind them getting a second chance down the line. Like putting it this way. Bram I take issue with because there's a pattern of behavior there with him, and even getting away from his violent streak he does stupid shit like the sitting on a freezer thing. But I wouldn't have any issue if WWE picked up Moose because by all signs, the guy's not really been involved in anything further for the past decade and has kept his head down. Exactly, I don't understand the whole "you messed up once, YOU'RE DEAD". I'm all for Swann having a second chance a few years down the line if he cleans up his act and tries to better himself. Bram, on the other hand, has zero qualms about what he's done and is dismissive when called out on it. He can get f***ed for all I care. Outside of him actually doing it, the most disappointing thing about Bram’s statement was that, well, it was a simple thing to get right. Say that Domestic Violence is a serious issue, that being accused (even though he did do it but go with me here) is not as bad as going through it without any help and list charities and causes people can donate to. Get people aware, do good, come off as understanding (even though, again, it’s Bram). Instead his statement was a gigantic whine about how being accused has affected his booking and how everyone involved was lying and there’s a conspiracy and wah wah wah wah.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 16, 2018 14:56:49 GMT -5
I don't understand the whole "you messed up once, YOU'RE DEAD". Because otherwise it makes one look like they're not serious about stamping out the problem in the eyes of one's peers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 17:18:52 GMT -5
Oh no.
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Post by DJ Maniak on Feb 16, 2018 18:07:37 GMT -5
Hey, as far as I'm concerned, dude's more than welcome to make a living. Wal-Mart's always hiring greeters. Same goes for Hogan. Don't reward them for being shitty people with fame and six-figure contracts. Hogan's about old enough to qualify as a Wal-Mart greeter.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 16, 2018 18:17:21 GMT -5
Can we please not knock Wal-Mart employees?
An honest living is commendable and respectable.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 16, 2018 19:12:59 GMT -5
Everybody needs to take it down a few notches, effective immediately.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 17, 2018 1:40:24 GMT -5
Well, when you come up with a legal way to seize all of his assets and leave him destitute, you let us know. I'm not sure what seizing his assets or leaving him destitute would have to do with anything. My comment was more on the fact that Steve Austin basically gets a pass from WWE and most fans. It may be because the internet was still relatively young when he was beating his wife, it may be because people have trouble disassociating Stone Cold the character from the man or something else. However, I don't think there was ever a point where WWE turned to him and said, 'hey we can't do business with you anymore because of domestic abuse'. I am glad that they seem to be taking it more seriously now. Exactly, no one's calling for blood here. Just maybe stop kissing his ass and putting him on the cover of video games for a while. It sends a mixed message when you have CM Punk out there challenging Chris Brown to a shootfight while wearing Austin shirts and teasing a Punk/Austin match at WrestleMania. I know, that was years ago, but it has always rung in my mind about the Austin exception to wifebeating. F*** Steve Austin, is basically what I'm trying to say here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 9:38:48 GMT -5
Hey, as far as I'm concerned, dude's more than welcome to make a living. Wal-Mart's always hiring greeters. Same goes for Hogan. Don't reward them for being shitty people with fame and six-figure contracts. So a guy that that was charged with domestic abuse isn't allowed to pretend fight other men. But he's allowed to work at Walmart where he'll have to interact with the public, and other employees, most of which are women and children?
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