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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 21, 2018 6:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 21, 2018 7:34:01 GMT -5
Cuban knew.
And apparently it was just the office, the players were cool and weren't pulling that shit.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 21, 2018 15:17:22 GMT -5
For a basketball mark like Mark Cuban, he could really be the type of person who has no idea what's going on in the office while being so hands on in the basketball side of things. Dave Sampson (former president of the Florida/Miami Marlins) actually suggested that's how it was with Jeff Loria, the owner of the Marlins. He had the reputation of being a meddling owner on the baseball side of things, but was otherwise ignorant about the minutiae of the business side of things. Things like an HR director not taking these issues seriously or sliding them under the rug doesn't help things either.
That said, he's the owner of the team and even if he was completely ignorant of what was going on in the office, he's still responsible for his employees' conduct and needs to take action. This isn't an ambiguous he-said, she-said one off story where you can sort of wave it off. This is well-researched, solid journalism and it is DAMNING.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 21, 2018 20:53:57 GMT -5
Mark Cuban better strap in because this isn't going away anytime soon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 21:03:20 GMT -5
I just want to say that I’m glad that people are coming forward and exposing these stories now, because the sexual harassment culture is some straight up bullshit.
Glad to hear that the players were cool too.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 21, 2018 22:01:07 GMT -5
I just want to say that I’m glad that people are coming forward and exposing these stories now, because the sexual harassment culture is some straight up bullshit. Glad to hear that the players were cool too. Yeahm I've never really heard anything about Dirk, Finley, AC Green, Nash, Kidd. So all the guys they brought in seem to be high character guys. |
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 21, 2018 22:15:25 GMT -5
Mark Cuban better strap in because this isn't going away anytime soon Even with that, though, there is the question of what can be done to Dallas or Cuban for this afterwards. By all claims, they got rid of the people at the center of the scandal long ago, and Cuban summarily fired the people who still worked for Dallas after the news broke. So, how much can the NBA do to punish Cuban or the Mavericks...and if they do that much to them, would they do the same to James Dolan and the Knicks (there was the Anucha Browne Sanders case for Isiah Thomas where Dolan not only knew Isiah was under it, but kept him and has brought him into the fold after- at least Cuban wiped away the culprits.) |
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Post by fw91 on Feb 21, 2018 23:18:15 GMT -5
If the NBA has to take the team away from Cuban they Silver should end it with. "And it is for that reason, you're out."
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Post by Renslayer on Feb 21, 2018 23:50:01 GMT -5
It's amazing to me that a team employee got arrested AT WORK for domestic violence and later had to sign a document stating he couldn't be alone with female employees and you as the boss didn't know anything about it. I ain't buying it
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2018 0:23:38 GMT -5
Mark Cuban better strap in because this isn't going away anytime soon Even with that, though, there is the question of what can be done to Dallas or Cuban for this afterwards. By all claims, they got rid of the people at the center of the scandal long ago, and Cuban summarily fired the people who still worked for Dallas after the news broke. So, how much can the NBA do to punish Cuban or the Mavericks...and if they do that much to them, would they do the same to James Dolan and the Knicks (there was the Anucha Browne Sanders case for Isiah Thomas where Dolan not only knew Isiah was under it, but kept him and has brought him into the fold after- at least Cuban wiped away the culprits.) Knicks thing was already dealt with in regards to the lawsuit filed (and lost by Dolan and co.) and the scandal broke out and was resolved well before Silver's tenure anyway. I don't remember how/if the NBA under David Stern administered punishment, but it happened on his watch and would've been his call at the time. I do imagine Silver will administer some sort of punishment to Dallas and Cuban, especially if it's discovered that Cuban really did knew about it and covered it up. As for what the punishment will be, I think that depends a lot on Cuban's involvement and/or his steps taken to make sure it doesn't happen again, as well as pressure from the players. Absolute worst case scenario (Cuban knew and was actively involved in covering it up or even participated in it himself), he becomes the next Donald Sterling. But I don't think it'd be fair for any punishment to directly target the basketball team itself (such as loss of draft picks) since the players weren't involved in this nonsense at all. According to the victims' own stories, they were complete professionals and the Mavs' locker room culture was one of respect and seen as a refuge from the misogynistic office culture. |
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 22, 2018 1:55:40 GMT -5
Knicks thing was already dealt with in regards to the lawsuit filed (and lost by Dolan and co.) and the scandal broke out and was resolved well before Silver's tenure anyway. I don't remember how/if the NBA under David Stern administered punishment, but it happened on his watch and would've been his call at the time. I do imagine Silver will administer some sort of punishment to Dallas and Cuban, especially if it's discovered that Cuban really did knew about it and covered it up. As for what the punishment will be, I think that depends a lot on Cuban's involvement and/or his steps taken to make sure it doesn't happen again, as well as pressure from the players. Absolute worst case scenario (Cuban knew and was actively involved in covering it up or even participated in it himself), he becomes the next Donald Sterling. But I don't think it'd be fair for any punishment to directly target the basketball team itself (such as loss of draft picks) since the players weren't involved in this nonsense at all. According to the victims' own stories, they were complete professionals and the Mavs' locker room culture was one of respect and seen as a refuge from the misogynistic office culture. Not my point. Even beyond those ones, considering how often Dolan has gone back to Isiah Thomas, even since that lawsuit, and given him just as much power, even as he made the Knicks a laughingstock- it's not unfair to claim "anything Silver does to Cuban, he should also do to Dolan." To not do it- best case you'd have a "NBA punishing based on the market" (they'll ignore it in New York but punish it in Dallas). Worst case, you'd have the league bias in play (Mark Cuban's always been unpopular in the league offices and they'd give him less leeway than they would another.) |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 22, 2018 2:43:17 GMT -5
Mark Cuban better strap in because this isn't going away anytime soon Even with that, though, there is the question of what can be done to Dallas or Cuban for this afterwards. By all claims, they got rid of the people at the center of the scandal long ago, and Cuban summarily fired the people who still worked for Dallas after the news broke. So, how much can the NBA do to punish Cuban or the Mavericks...and if they do that much to them, would they do the same to James Dolan and the Knicks (there was the Anucha Browne Sanders case for Isiah Thomas where Dolan not only knew Isiah was under it, but kept him and has brought him into the fold after- at least Cuban wiped away the culprits.) I can't see them punishing the current Mavs organization as far as losing draft picks However, if anything Cuban will get whatever the biggest fine is, maybe 1-2 million and the team will be put on "probation" and can have future loss of draft picks if something arises in the future Also two diff regimes in regards to Stern and Silver so can't really compare the cases as both men handle things very differently |
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2018 14:12:44 GMT -5
Knicks thing was already dealt with in regards to the lawsuit filed (and lost by Dolan and co.) and the scandal broke out and was resolved well before Silver's tenure anyway. I don't remember how/if the NBA under David Stern administered punishment, but it happened on his watch and would've been his call at the time. I do imagine Silver will administer some sort of punishment to Dallas and Cuban, especially if it's discovered that Cuban really did knew about it and covered it up. As for what the punishment will be, I think that depends a lot on Cuban's involvement and/or his steps taken to make sure it doesn't happen again, as well as pressure from the players. Absolute worst case scenario (Cuban knew and was actively involved in covering it up or even participated in it himself), he becomes the next Donald Sterling. But I don't think it'd be fair for any punishment to directly target the basketball team itself (such as loss of draft picks) since the players weren't involved in this nonsense at all. According to the victims' own stories, they were complete professionals and the Mavs' locker room culture was one of respect and seen as a refuge from the misogynistic office culture. Not my point. Even beyond those ones, considering how often Dolan has gone back to Isiah Thomas, even since that lawsuit, and given him just as much power, even as he made the Knicks a laughingstock- it's not unfair to claim "anything Silver does to Cuban, he should also do to Dolan." To not do it- best case you'd have a "NBA punishing based on the market" (they'll ignore it in New York but punish it in Dallas). Worst case, you'd have the league bias in play (Mark Cuban's always been unpopular in the league offices and they'd give him less leeway than they would another.) Again, it's a resolved issue. There was a lawsuit. The Knicks lost and Thomas was fired. Any league punishment that should've been administered was done on David Stern's watch and it isn't really Silver's place to dredge it all up again. Now if Dolan hired Thomas again, and Thomas did new things to get himself in trouble and Dolan did nothing to address it, then that'd make Silver take action. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -5
If Silver can get rid of Donald Sterling for being a human barf bag, I don't see how he couldn't sever Cuban from the Mavericks.
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 25, 2018 23:58:13 GMT -5
So could Cuban be looking at a suspension here?
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Post by Kevin Dunn on Mar 7, 2018 23:08:16 GMT -5
Look’s like Cuban is being accused also
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Mar 7, 2018 23:42:56 GMT -5
Considering Cuban is involved with (or owns, don't remember) AXS TV, and considering he was wanting to help NJPW compete stateside with WWE, I wonder how this will affect, directly or indirectly, NJPW's American expansion?
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