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Post by mauled on May 15, 2018 15:06:12 GMT -5
Apparently Bret was a mid card jabroni (those very words) who never drew yet for some reason Eric still gave him a huge deal 🤷♂️ This was just an awful burial and is Eric really saying he never saw Wrestling with Shadows 😕 His point made sense, though. He signed Bret because he needed a well-known wrestler, and Bret was the only one available. However, Bret became available because WWE decided he wasn't worth the money they were paying him, which they wouldn't have done if they were drawing huge numbers with him. Bret was huge draw in Canada/Europe and the rest of world. Bishoff also considers Nash a bigger draw than Bret 😂🤦♂️ Let me ask you this then, why do you think Vince put the belt back on Bret 5 Times which back then was Hogans record 🤷♂️
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Post by cjh on May 15, 2018 15:48:52 GMT -5
His point made sense, though. He signed Bret because he needed a well-known wrestler, and Bret was the only one available. However, Bret became available because WWE decided he wasn't worth the money they were paying him, which they wouldn't have done if they were drawing huge numbers with him. Bret was huge draw in Canada/Europe and the rest of world. Bishoff also considers Nash a bigger draw than Bret 😂🤦♂️ Let me ask you this then, why do you think Vince put the belt back on Bret 5 Times which back then was Hogans record 🤷♂️ Again, Eric's argument about Bret not being a draw all comes back to September 1997 when Vince McMahon told Bret "We're in bad shape. Go see about a deal with WCW." His point is that Vince would have not asked Bret to leave if Bret had been making WWE tons of money.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 15, 2018 21:26:06 GMT -5
Only about 5 minutes in and it’s Eric being Eric. Everyone is lying or wrong or misremembering, except for him.
Not expecting big things but it’s Bret, so it’ll have my attention.
When I saw Bret a couple years ago someone asked him about Eric and Bret called him a twit.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:08:00 GMT -5
Bret was huge draw in Canada/Europe and the rest of world. Bishoff also considers Nash a bigger draw than Bret 😂🤦♂️ Let me ask you this then, why do you think Vince put the belt back on Bret 5 Times which back then was Hogans record 🤷♂️ Again, Eric's argument about Bret not being a draw all comes back to September 1997 when Vince McMahon told Bret "We're in bad shape. Go see about a deal with WCW." His point is that Vince would have not asked Bret to leave if Bret had been making WWE tons of money. I have yet to try this show but to me a good host could easily take him to task on that argument by saying “then why did you pay him so much to come to wcw?...If he wasn’t a big deal or a draw you should have gotten him much cheaper.”
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 15, 2018 22:17:48 GMT -5
Again, Eric's argument about Bret not being a draw all comes back to September 1997 when Vince McMahon told Bret "We're in bad shape. Go see about a deal with WCW." His point is that Vince would have not asked Bret to leave if Bret had been making WWE tons of money. I have yet to try this show but to me a good host could easily take him to task on that argument by saying “then why did you pay him so much to come to wcw?...If he wasn’t a big deal or a draw you should have gotten him much cheaper.” Conrad doesn't seem to wanna go in on him the way he did Ric, Bruce, or Tony. I dunno if it's just because he's not as close with Eric yet or maybe Eric just doesn't have as approachable of a nature or maybe it's just not what Eric wants. Don't get me wrong, he has gone in a couple times but it's kinda... subdued feeling. Conrad is good at feeling these dudes out, I'm gonna give it a while to find its footing and figure out the dynamic that works best for the show. As it stands right now I can't recommend it though. Bisch is... Bisch. I need a new and less defensive side of him for me to stick with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:26:39 GMT -5
I have yet to try this show but to me a good host could easily take him to task on that argument by saying “then why did you pay him so much to come to wcw?...If he wasn’t a big deal or a draw you should have gotten him much cheaper.” Conrad doesn't seem to wanna go in on him the way he did Ric, Bruce, or Tony. I dunno if it's just because he's not as close with Eric yet or maybe Eric just doesn't have as approachable of a nature or maybe it's just not what Eric wants. Don't get me wrong, he has gone in a couple times but it's kinda... subdued feeling. Conrad is good at feeling these dudes out, I'm gonna give it a while to find its footing and figure out the dynamic that works best for the show. As it stands right now I can't recommend it though. Bisch is... Bisch. I need a new and less defensive side of him for me to stick with it. I’d probably wait before I try this I didn’t mind Bischoff’s last podcast at first because it was short and I like to hear stories about that time period from people that were there and the reasons things were done but he became like Kevin Sullivan in that he has a very selective memory or no memory at all but everyone else is wrong and he’s right which could be an interesting dynamic for a podcast if you have the right host but neither show had that.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 15, 2018 22:34:56 GMT -5
Conrad doesn't seem to wanna go in on him the way he did Ric, Bruce, or Tony. I dunno if it's just because he's not as close with Eric yet or maybe Eric just doesn't have as approachable of a nature or maybe it's just not what Eric wants. Don't get me wrong, he has gone in a couple times but it's kinda... subdued feeling. Conrad is good at feeling these dudes out, I'm gonna give it a while to find its footing and figure out the dynamic that works best for the show. As it stands right now I can't recommend it though. Bisch is... Bisch. I need a new and less defensive side of him for me to stick with it. I’d probably wait before I try this I didn’t mind Bischoff’s last podcast at first because it was short and I like to hear stories about that time period from people that were there and the reasons things were done but he became like Kevin Sullivan in that he has a very selective memory or no memory at all but everyone else is wrong and he’s right which could be an interesting dynamic for a podcast if you have the right host but neither show had that. Oh this is a lot like the prior version of Bishoff's show, just him ranting and taking forever to get to what he's talking about. Conrad will be on one topic trying to lead, then Eric will segue away for five minutes before Conrad tries his best to be all "dude I'm trying to ask about X". Then Eric does a fake laugh, Conrad busts his balls, and Eric gets all "yes fellow person, I too enjoy ball busting". It's not at all natural feeling. I liked the Sullivan and MSL one well enough for the Nitro recaps. Then it just disappeared one day.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:40:30 GMT -5
I’d probably wait before I try this I didn’t mind Bischoff’s last podcast at first because it was short and I like to hear stories about that time period from people that were there and the reasons things were done but he became like Kevin Sullivan in that he has a very selective memory or no memory at all but everyone else is wrong and he’s right which could be an interesting dynamic for a podcast if you have the right host but neither show had that. Oh this is a lot like the prior version of Bishoff's show, just him ranting and taking forever to get to what he's talking about. Conrad will be on one topic trying to lead, then Eric will segue away for five minutes before Conrad tries his best to be all "dude I'm trying to ask about X". Then Eric does a fake laugh, Conrad busts his balls, ans Eric gets all "yes fellow person, I too enjoy ball busting". It's not at all natural feeling. I liked the Sullivan and MSL one well enough for the Nitro recaps. Then it just disappeared one day. To me the nitro reviews from the guy that booked them was the huge selling point of the msl & Sully Show because no other show was offering that but they only spent a few minutes on the nitro’s Sully didn’t go back and rewatch them so a lot of times he didn’t have much to add other than the same handful of stories.The Show became like most wrestling podcast just talking wwe news and raw review for the week and neither host watched the shows.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 16, 2018 4:21:50 GMT -5
'Bret wasn't a draw, that's why I gave him a multimillion dollar contract.'
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Post by mauled on May 16, 2018 5:25:39 GMT -5
'Bret wasn't a draw, that's why I gave him a multimillion dollar contract.' Meltzer is amazed on Twitter that people believe this 🤷♂️
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 16, 2018 6:25:00 GMT -5
Bret’s agent set us up on a date, we never talked contracts.
Eric Bishoff in so many words.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 8:30:35 GMT -5
Eric pulled no punches on Bret. I don't know how much of it is true, but it was a fun listen.
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Post by mauled on May 16, 2018 8:51:37 GMT -5
Bret’s agent set us up on a date, we never talked contracts. Eric Bishoff in so many words. It’s amazing that Eric says he never talked with Bret in 1996 but then gave him an amazingly similar deal that Eric says Bret had made up in 1997 🤔
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Post by mauled on May 16, 2018 9:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by cjh on May 16, 2018 9:43:08 GMT -5
Bischoff didn't say there was no favored nations and paybump clauses. He just said those came later when Hall and Nash signed new deals and not in their original deals signed in 1996. Nash signed a deal for 4 more years in late-1997.
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Post by mauled on May 16, 2018 12:08:40 GMT -5
Bischoff didn't say there was no favored nations and paybump clauses. He just said those came later when Hall and Nash signed new deals and not in their original deals signed in 1996. Nash signed a deal for 4 more years in late-1997. And Eric doesn’t lie does he
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Post by cjh on May 16, 2018 12:20:27 GMT -5
Bischoff didn't say there was no favored nations and paybump clauses. He just said those came later when Hall and Nash signed new deals and not in their original deals signed in 1996. Nash signed a deal for 4 more years in late-1997. And Eric doesn’t lie does he I don't know if it's true, but it doesn't seem to conflict with anything else he's said, though. He also raised a solid point in that Hall wouldn't have had enough leverage to ask for something like favored nations in the spring of 1996 because he was the one wanting a job.
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Post by brown bricks on May 16, 2018 14:40:34 GMT -5
I thought the Bret Hart episode would be bad considering the two guys on the podcast don't care for him, but oof, this was awful. I think I'm tapping out on the show after this one. Prichard is a liar, but at least he can be an entertaining liar.
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Post by cjh on May 16, 2018 15:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 16, 2018 18:01:23 GMT -5
I thought the Bret Hart episode would be bad considering the two guys on the podcast don't care for him, but oof, this was awful. I think I'm tapping out on the show after this one. Prichard is a liar, but at least he can be an entertaining liar. Yeah, it’s rough but it’s about Bret so I’m hanging onto every second. I probably won’t be a regular listener but c’mon you’ll listen when Ric Flair is the topic. Can’t wait to hear Conrad ask about Bishcoff saying he was gonna starve Ric and make him and his family homeless.
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