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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 19, 2018 0:23:05 GMT -5
The RD stuff at All In will be a mess Bisch seemingly can't stand Alverez and he refuses to sign the book when fans ask him. Dunno how he feels about RD but I doubt it's to the level of Alverez at least. But... This whole thing isn't some surprise meeting. They'll all be prepared. They'll put on a couple fake arguments for entertainment's sake. They're being paid to be there and put on a show. I wouldn't buy into anything you see or hear come out of that whole thing.
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Post by chazraps on May 19, 2018 0:53:47 GMT -5
The RD stuff at All In will be a mess Bisch seemingly can't stand Alverez and he refuses to sign the book when fans ask him. Dunno how he feels about RD but I doubt it's to the level of Alverez at least. But... This whole thing isn't some surprise meeting. They'll all be prepared. They'll put on a couple fake arguments for entertainment's sake. They're being paid to be there and put on a show. I wouldn't buy into anything you see or hear come out of that whole thing. Is Bisch the only one who has never signed it?
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on May 19, 2018 7:58:24 GMT -5
The RD stuff at All In will be a mess But its going to be an entertaining mess. Bischoff is probably going to play ultra defensive and RD will ride him 'til wet. Or whatever that term means, Hogan used it so it must be cool!
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Post by Jokaine on May 19, 2018 15:06:51 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not an exceptionally big Bret Hart fan, but I just don't find a lot of the stuff Bischoff said to be hard to believe or understand.
The idea that Bischoff was going to give Hogan money to Bret Hart prior to the NWO explosion is hard to believe. One, because Bret wasn't worth it and two, because the people who signed the checks may not have been that comfortable in doing it.
Bischoff explained the decision to pay Hart the level of money he received in 1997 as a case of right place/right time for the Hitman. People can choose not to believe but that stuff happens. The Cleveland Cavaliers overpaid Tristan Thompson because his contract came up at the right time and he shared LeBron James' agent.
The part about Bret being checked out and not contributing to his character doesn't seem a lie as Bret basically said he was in WCW for the sole purpose of getting a check and he pinpoints the time as very early in his WCW run.
I have no doubt that Bischoff has a selective memory and can be full of shit like probably everyone else in pro wrestling, but Bret has spent much of the last 20+ years sounding like a complaining, whining narcissist who lives in a strange world where sports teams lose titles at home and cities survive yet his dropping a pro wrestling title in his home country (not hometown, mind you, but country) would somehow cause irreparable damage to not only him but the people of Canada.
That would seem to make his word every bit as disputable as that of Eric Bischoff.
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Post by mauled on May 20, 2018 4:21:19 GMT -5
I Listened to his Finger Poke of Doom episode and Eric said the reason behind it, was he wanted the NWO to get back together and for Nitro to be an NWO show and Thunder to be WCW show 😬
Is he serious ! both Hogan and the NWO were played out by that point and that sounds really stupid reasoning 🤷♂️
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Post by cjh on May 20, 2018 8:12:14 GMT -5
I Listened to his Finger Poke of Doom episode and Eric said the reason behind it, was he wanted the NWO to get back together and for Nitro to be an NWO show and Thunder to be WCW show 😬 Is he serious ! both Hogan and the NWO were played out by that point and that sounds really stupid reasoning 🤷♂️ I'm also wondering if that's even the correct story because that was also rumored to happen one year earlier when Thunder started. I believe that was the reason for the Nitro episode in December 1997 where the NWO took over and put up "NWO Nitro" stuff everywhere.
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Post by mauled on May 20, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
I Listened to his Finger Poke of Doom episode and Eric said the reason behind it, was he wanted the NWO to get back together and for Nitro to be an NWO show and Thunder to be WCW show 😬 Is he serious ! both Hogan and the NWO were played out by that point and that sounds really stupid reasoning 🤷♂️ I'm also wondering if that's even the correct story because that was also rumored to happen one year earlier when Thunder started. I believe that was the reason for the Nitro episode in December 1997 where the NWO took over and put up "NWO Nitro" stuff everywhere. What you say makes more sense as they did the NWO PPV in 96, you’d think if they were gonna turn Nitro into an NWO show 96/97 would be the time not 2 to 3 years later in 99, when the NWO was clearly played out. Either way Eric to me, comes across as just a 1 idea guy (which apparently he thought up himself and had nothing to do with NJPW idea, even though it was exactly like it 🤔) with no clue what to do outside of it.
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Post by DjZonk on May 20, 2018 10:33:12 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff is a terrible interview. I feel like he's basically told the same stories for almost two decades now, hard to see anything new or interesting coming from this. This, but to be fair,most people ask the sam questions all of the time. The Kayfabe Commentaries guy did a great job with him, because he picked 1994 to discuss, a year far less spoken about, so in turn Eric clearlyenjoyed it more and thought about his answers more.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 20, 2018 10:34:33 GMT -5
I Listened to his Finger Poke of Doom episode and Eric said the reason behind it, was he wanted the NWO to get back together and for Nitro to be an NWO show and Thunder to be WCW show 😬 Is he serious ! both Hogan and the NWO were played out by that point and that sounds really stupid reasoning 🤷♂️ I'm also wondering if that's even the correct story because that was also rumored to happen one year earlier when Thunder started. I believe that was the reason for the Nitro episode in December 1997 where the NWO took over and put up "NWO Nitro" stuff everywhere. Bischoff tried a few different times to split Nitro and Thunder into 2 separate shows because he never wanted to run 2 2 hour prime time shows. Thunder wasn’t his idea, it was forced on him by Turner because of how hot Nitro was at the time
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Post by chronocross on May 20, 2018 10:41:12 GMT -5
The RD stuff at All In will be a mess But its going to be an entertaining mess. Bischoff is probably going to play ultra defensive and RD will ride him 'til wet. Or whatever that term means, Hogan used it so it must be cool! Lol I remember Debra using that reference on Nitro once and Mean Gene nearly dropped his mic.
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Post by efarns on May 20, 2018 20:48:34 GMT -5
As someone who thinks Nash beating Goldberg was a fine call, the Fingerpoke is not a hill to die on, Eric. Everyone inside and outside the wrestling business to a person pans this. Just take the L already. In what way was it "fine?" Eric (and Kevin Nash's) justification is that it was a way to reform The NWO. Well exactly! We were all over with The NWO. The fingerpoke was their return to the well that was already dry.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 20, 2018 23:19:20 GMT -5
Next episode is about bash at the beach 2000, I'll give it a try since I'm up for a good Russo roasting.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 20, 2018 23:33:02 GMT -5
Conrad: I met Russo a few times I like him. Eric: You like him because you don't know him.
Shit is on.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 20, 2018 23:40:27 GMT -5
BATB2K episode is up now
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 20, 2018 23:45:41 GMT -5
I'm 19 minutes in and this could be one of the best episodes from a podcast ever, and I'm a Bischoff hater. He admits that he was awful to the people who worked for him and in other departments so in 2000 he wanted to be a better corporate person. He also describes Russo as coming up with great moments but Russo doesn't know what comes after that moment, that Russo can't plan for months, he just throws shit against the wall hoping something sticks.
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Post by sfvega on May 21, 2018 0:22:40 GMT -5
As someone who thinks Nash beating Goldberg was a fine call, the Fingerpoke is not a hill to die on, Eric. Everyone inside and outside the wrestling business to a person pans this. Just take the L already. In what way was it "fine?" Eric (and Kevin Nash's) justification is that it was a way to reform The NWO. Well exactly! We were all over with The NWO. The fingerpoke was their return to the well that was already dry. No, the Starrcade ME is fine in a vacuum. The shitty booking after that is what killed it. Having Goldberg lose to a guy who was getting bigger pops and probably selling more merch at that point (the Wolfpac shirt was literally everywhere). That I don’t have a problem with. I mean, there are ALWAYS going to be people second guessing streak ends. Happened with Goldberg, Joe, Asuka, etc. You realize that you can be ok with a part of a feud and not ok with the end game (like Hogan/Sting for instance)?
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Post by KofiMania on May 21, 2018 0:25:40 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm not an exceptionally big Bret Hart fan, but I just don't find a lot of the stuff Bischoff said to be hard to believe or understand. The idea that Bischoff was going to give Hogan money to Bret Hart prior to the NWO explosion is hard to believe. One, because Bret wasn't worth it and two, because the people who signed the checks may not have been that comfortable in doing it. Bischoff explained the decision to pay Hart the level of money he received in 1997 as a case of right place/right time for the Hitman. People can choose not to believe but that stuff happens. The Cleveland Cavaliers overpaid Tristan Thompson because his contract came up at the right time and he shared LeBron James' agent. The part about Bret being checked out and not contributing to his character doesn't seem a lie as Bret basically said he was in WCW for the sole purpose of getting a check and he pinpoints the time as very early in his WCW run. I have no doubt that Bischoff has a selective memory and can be full of shit like probably everyone else in pro wrestling, but Bret has spent much of the last 20+ years sounding like a complaining, whining narcissist who lives in a strange world where sports teams lose titles at home and cities survive yet his dropping a pro wrestling title in his home country (not hometown, mind you, but country) would somehow cause irreparable damage to not only him but the people of Canada. That would seem to make his word every bit as disputable as that of Eric Bischoff. Eric admitted in an early 1997 interview that he was bidding for Bret in 96 and that he ultimately took the WWF's offer.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 21, 2018 0:49:28 GMT -5
Eazy E brings up a great point. He respects Dave Meltzer because he has been in wrestling for decades and as a journalist, but he hates the dirt sheets, apparently executives from Turner read the observer and made decisions that affected wcw, Bischoff calls out an executive named Jeff Carr that got his information from Meltzer.
For those reasons Eric wanted to work the boys because of Carr and the observer.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 21, 2018 1:15:13 GMT -5
Much better episode this week. I'd recommend it for the first time.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 21, 2018 1:26:07 GMT -5
Eazy E brings up a great point. He respects Dave Meltzer because he has been in wrestling for decades and as a journalist, but he hates the dirt sheets, apparently executives from Turner read the observer and made decisions that affected wcw, Bischoff calls out an executive named Jeff Carr that got his information from Meltzer. For those reasons Eric wanted to work the boys because of Carr and the observer. So again, something isn’t Bischoff’s fault.
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