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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 23, 2018 9:09:32 GMT -5
I don't hate Avatar, but it's like say Krull or something; mediocre sci-fi actioner and that's about it. It just looked prettier. I don't think the Navi jokes are stupid either, they're well-designed for what they are, but that design is kinda goofy at its core. There's nothing inherently bad about it, but it's definitely not above bein poked fun at either. How? I think the Na’vi designs are probably the least goofy thing about the film. I can see where people might find the story corny, but can one really say they look sillier than say, a Minion? That’s a goofy design to me. The Avatar characters look pretty sophisticated, IMO. They're fine for what they are, big blue cat people are gonna look like big blue cat people. For that, they are well designed to look like what they're supposed to be. But it's an inherently silly amalgam. Keep in mind, I'm not equating silly with bad here---a dude that dresses like a bat to scare criminals is an inherently silly design too. But it is also awesome. But one can joke about Batman too for the concept if ya want, and it not be off limits.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 23, 2018 9:13:27 GMT -5
The Navi look f***ing stupid
And I found Navi in Zelda less annoying (Yes I know it's her name)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 23, 2018 9:29:29 GMT -5
Hell, I'll throw my own work in the 'not above bein joked bout camp'--there's a section in Enemy Among Us with 7 ft tall worm men with fangs. It hopefully works for fantasy story I'm tellin, and I think I describe em well enough for the reader to imagine them lookin cool, but worm men is still an inherently goofy idea on its own, and jokes could readily be made.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 23, 2018 9:31:26 GMT -5
Superhero movies are a genre like anything else. Easy nuff to avoid. If you don't like Westerns or Cop movies or legal shows, can avoid those too
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Post by Juice on Apr 23, 2018 9:42:33 GMT -5
There are far more cgi, hero vs bad guy stuff now then before. Its not just specifically superhero movies. And for most part I like them. Obviously Marvel has a good track record despite being very formulaic. They know their formula and do well with it. But the serial nature that you must watch ten movies to watch the 11th is irritaing. Black Panther is still in theaters and Avengers releases Friday. That's too much in a short period of time. Horror is the only thing that is breaking this cgi blockbuster mold and I am super grateful for it. Also as seen with the superhero genre of comic,book films its not enough just to exist now. Each and every movie ups the stakes, adds new crossovers, etc. How many times can the Avengers save the world before it gets boring as shit? The Cgi in age of Ultron also has aged terribly and Ultron looks awful now. Fox has a horrible track record as does Sony. No one was clamoring for this Venom movie. Id rather watch Tom Hardy in a Del Toro movie or another Nolan film instead. Between the big studios there IS an oversaturation of superhero movies and tv, and I never thought it would get to me but it has. So yeah I agree that there isn't enough variety now, because there isn't. From top of my head DC has 6 hours of weekly serial tv. Marvel has 6 on netflix. Plus Agents of Shield, Agent Carter was a thing. And Inhumans, Including fox and fx there are two xmen shows. HBO is doing Watchmen again, There is The Tick, various other shows on other platforms. In what, 5 months there is Black Panther, Avengers, and Ant Man and Wasp. Ragnarock wasn't far behind either. Next Feb 2 Xmen movies will be released in the same month. The idea that there isn't variety in television and movies because there are so many superhero movies is confirmation bias. What's the ratio of Netflix superhero shows to all other Netflix original content? What's the ratio of superhero movies this year to the total number of all movies released this year? What's the ratio of superhero programming to all other programming on cable or network television? An article I read this past February on Variety mentioned that Netflix plans to release 700 original TV shows and 80 movies this year, alone. We live in a time where we can mostly pick and choose what we want to enjoy, when we want to enjoy it; because of this, there is more programming and variety than ever. There is a large amount of comic-related programming because there is a large demand for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it all, nor is it necessary to watch it sequentially, as you suggested. I still have not seen Ant-Man and a few others. Comic-related programming works well because you can tell several different stories. Look at Legion, Guardians 2, Walking Dead, Wonder Woman, Civil War, Preacher, Gotham, and The Dark Knight. They are all comic-based, but they are all very different. Even in comic-related programming, there is variety. I am not trying to convince you to watch anything, but if you go back and look at those ratios I mentioned earlier, you will see there is plenty of other, non-comic-related programming to choose from as well. Statistically yes, but the scope is much more broad and headsplitting. Im tired of walking into stores and being surrounded by superheroes. I don't walk into walmart and see 10,000 Bright or Orange is the New Black shirts and toys.
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Post by Shai on Apr 23, 2018 9:44:50 GMT -5
There are far more cgi, hero vs bad guy stuff now then before. Its not just specifically superhero movies. And for most part I like them. Obviously Marvel has a good track record despite being very formulaic. They know their formula and do well with it. But the serial nature that you must watch ten movies to watch the 11th is irritaing. Black Panther is still in theaters and Avengers releases Friday. That's too much in a short period of time. Horror is the only thing that is breaking this cgi blockbuster mold and I am super grateful for it. Also as seen with the superhero genre of comic,book films its not enough just to exist now. Each and every movie ups the stakes, adds new crossovers, etc. How many times can the Avengers save the world before it gets boring as shit? The Cgi in age of Ultron also has aged terribly and Ultron looks awful now. Fox has a horrible track record as does Sony. No one was clamoring for this Venom movie. Id rather watch Tom Hardy in a Del Toro movie or another Nolan film instead. Between the big studios there IS an oversaturation of superhero movies and tv, and I never thought it would get to me but it has. So yeah I agree that there isn't enough variety now, because there isn't. From top of my head DC has 6 hours of weekly serial tv. Marvel has 6 on netflix. Plus Agents of Shield, Agent Carter was a thing. And Inhumans, Including fox and fx there are two xmen shows. HBO is doing Watchmen again, There is The Tick, various other shows on other platforms. In what, 5 months there is Black Panther, Avengers, and Ant Man and Wasp. Ragnarock wasn't far behind either. Next Feb 2 Xmen movies will be released in the same month. The idea that there isn't variety in television and movies because there are so many superhero movies is confirmation bias. What's the ratio of Netflix superhero shows to all other Netflix original content? What's the ratio of superhero movies this year to the total number of all movies released this year? What's the ratio of superhero programming to all other programming on cable or network television? An article I read this past February on Variety mentioned that Netflix plans to release 700 original TV shows and 80 movies this year, alone. We live in a time where we can mostly pick and choose what we want to enjoy, when we want to enjoy it; because of this, there is more programming and variety than ever. There is a large amount of comic-related programming because there is a large demand for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it all, nor is it necessary to watch it sequentially, as you suggested. I still have not seen Ant-Man and a few others. Comic-related programming works well because you can tell several different stories. Look at Legion, Guardians 2, Walking Dead, Wonder Woman, Civil War, Preacher, Gotham, and The Dark Knight. They are all comic-based, but they are all very different. Even in comic-related programming, there is variety. I am not trying to convince you to watch anything, but if you go back and look at those ratios I mentioned earlier, you will see there is plenty of other, non-comic-related programming to choose from as well. Yes! There's a ton of superhero and comic related content because there's a freaking ton of people who love it. There's also a lot of content in the world besides that for people who aren't fans of it.
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Post by Juice on Apr 23, 2018 9:46:05 GMT -5
The idea that there isn't variety in television and movies because there are so many superhero movies is confirmation bias. What's the ratio of Netflix superhero shows to all other Netflix original content? What's the ratio of superhero movies this year to the total number of all movies released this year? What's the ratio of superhero programming to all other programming on cable or network television? An article I read this past February on Variety mentioned that Netflix plans to release 700 original TV shows and 80 movies this year, alone. We live in a time where we can mostly pick and choose what we want to enjoy, when we want to enjoy it; because of this, there is more programming and variety than ever. There is a large amount of comic-related programming because there is a large demand for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it all, nor is it necessary to watch it sequentially, as you suggested. I still have not seen Ant-Man and a few others. Comic-related programming works well because you can tell several different stories. Look at Legion, Guardians 2, Walking Dead, Wonder Woman, Civil War, Preacher, Gotham, and The Dark Knight. They are all comic-based, but they are all very different. Even in comic-related programming, there is variety. I am not trying to convince you to watch anything, but if you go back and look at those ratios I mentioned earlier, you will see there is plenty of other, non-comic-related programming to choose from as well. Yes! There's a ton of superhero and comic related content because there's a freaking ton of people who love it. There's also a lot of content in the world besides that for people who aren't fans of it. I've said I'm a fan. Just tired,of the overstated marketing and everywhereness of it all.
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Post by Shai on Apr 23, 2018 9:51:08 GMT -5
The idea that there isn't variety in television and movies because there are so many superhero movies is confirmation bias. What's the ratio of Netflix superhero shows to all other Netflix original content? What's the ratio of superhero movies this year to the total number of all movies released this year? What's the ratio of superhero programming to all other programming on cable or network television? An article I read this past February on Variety mentioned that Netflix plans to release 700 original TV shows and 80 movies this year, alone. We live in a time where we can mostly pick and choose what we want to enjoy, when we want to enjoy it; because of this, there is more programming and variety than ever. There is a large amount of comic-related programming because there is a large demand for it. No one is forcing anyone to watch it all, nor is it necessary to watch it sequentially, as you suggested. I still have not seen Ant-Man and a few others. Comic-related programming works well because you can tell several different stories. Look at Legion, Guardians 2, Walking Dead, Wonder Woman, Civil War, Preacher, Gotham, and The Dark Knight. They are all comic-based, but they are all very different. Even in comic-related programming, there is variety. I am not trying to convince you to watch anything, but if you go back and look at those ratios I mentioned earlier, you will see there is plenty of other, non-comic-related programming to choose from as well. Statistically yes, but the scope is much more broad and headsplitting. Im tired of walking into stores and being surrounded by superheroes. I don't walk into walmart and see 10,000 Bright or Orange is the New Black shirts and toys. That totally sounds like a personal problem. These movies make billions of dollars at the box office. You being sick of that and complaining about doesn't change that there's millions of people in the US alone who love it. Put it this way. There are four theaters in my town. Every single one of them has a sign that says INFINITY WAR OPENING WEEKEND SOLD OUT. Wanting Superheroes tp go away is like yelling at clouds at this point.
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Post by hossfan on Apr 23, 2018 9:59:26 GMT -5
While I don't think I'll ever suffer from Avengers fatigue post "Infinity War" Marvel will need to do something with the concept beyond adding new members, fighting among themselves, and introducing another big alien/cosmic threat that forces them to unite in the end to save the day.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 23, 2018 10:42:20 GMT -5
Superhero merchandise has been around since there have been superheroes. Superman stuff was everywhere even in the late 30s.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 23, 2018 10:59:39 GMT -5
While I don't think I'll ever suffer from Avengers fatigue post "Infinity War" Marvel will need to do something with the concept beyond adding new members, fighting among themselves, and introducing another big alien/cosmic threat that forces them to unite in the end to save the day. True, but the majority of their serious threats are alien/cosmic threats in actuality. I think the reason they utilize the infighting more is develop the characters and get the audience invested in them. At this point providing the Disney/Fox merger comes to fruition we should see a diverse aspect of storylines that Marvel can actually dip into.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:12:17 GMT -5
While I don't think I'll ever suffer from Avengers fatigue post "Infinity War" Marvel will need to do something with the concept beyond adding new members, fighting among themselves, and introducing another big alien/cosmic threat that forces them to unite in the end to save the day. True, but the majority of their serious threats are alien/cosmic threats in actuality. I think the reason they utilize the infighting more is develop the characters and get the audience invested in them. At this point providing the Disney/Fox merger comes to fruition we should see a diverse aspect of storylines that Marvel can actually dip into. At this point I have to assume the planned overarching villain for the next wave of these is Galactus. Pretty much the next logical step up from Thanos.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 23, 2018 11:22:15 GMT -5
James Cameron is an asshole. This isn't news.
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Post by hossfan on Apr 23, 2018 11:25:36 GMT -5
True, but the majority of their serious threats are alien/cosmic threats in actuality. I think the reason they utilize the infighting more is develop the characters and get the audience invested in them. At this point providing the Disney/Fox merger comes to fruition we should see a diverse aspect of storylines that Marvel can actually dip into. At this point I have to assume the planned overarching villain for the next wave of these is Galactus. Pretty much the next logical step up from Thanos. The thing with Galactus is despite his power level he's a pretty basic threat. He shows up to your planet and tries to eat it. He's not a schemer with a complicated goal that requires a long, drawn out storyline to resolve. I wouldn't mind seeing them doing something with time travel next. Maybe Immortus or Kang as the main villain. I think the High Evolutionary would be interesting too.
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Post by Juice on Apr 23, 2018 11:31:01 GMT -5
Statistically yes, but the scope is much more broad and headsplitting. Im tired of walking into stores and being surrounded by superheroes. I don't walk into walmart and see 10,000 Bright or Orange is the New Black shirts and toys. That totally sounds like a personal problem. These movies make billions of dollars at the box office. You being sick of that and complaining about doesn't change that there's millions of people in the US alone who love it. Put it this way. There are four theaters in my town. Every single one of them has a sign that says INFINITY WAR OPENING WEEKEND SOLD OUT. Wanting Superheroes tp go away is like yelling at clouds at this point. Not once did I say others weren't still entertained. Just that I'm burnt out.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 23, 2018 11:34:51 GMT -5
Honestly, there probably should be a break after Infinity War but these movies make so much money that's not gonna happen.
I'm expecting Star Wars fatigue soon with how much Disney plans to milk the franchise.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2018 11:46:08 GMT -5
At this point I have to assume the planned overarching villain for the next wave of these is Galactus. Pretty much the next logical step up from Thanos. The thing with Galactus is despite his power level he's a pretty basic threat. He shows up to your planet and tries to eat it. He's not a schemer with a complicated goal that requires a long, drawn out storyline to resolve. I wouldn't mind seeing them doing something with time travel next. Maybe Immortus or Kang as the main villain. I think the High Evolutionary would be interesting too. Yeah, Galactus doesn't really work for the big bad of a long series. You could have him be mentioned as coming in earlier ones and they have to prepare for him... but... really his plan is show up and devour the planet. He doesn't have any long term goal other than his own survival. that said with Captain Marvel having them I wouldn't be surprised if the Skrull vs. Kree war picks up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:50:14 GMT -5
Honestly, there probably should be a break after Infinity War but these movies make so much money that's not gonna happen. I'm expecting Star Wars fatigue soon with how much Disney plans to milk the franchise. I'd like to see Marvel start going more outside the box with things a bit more. They've nudged a bit at it with GotG being more sci-fi comedies than superhero movies and the multi-genre pile-up that is Ragnarok, but I'd like to see them try their hand at some more non-superhero things and maybe some more heroes aimed at less-represented crowds. Know that's asking a lot when it's stupidly taken them this long to make one for women and they still seem very hesitant to do more than the one, but maybe could try something with an older hero, or something more directly aimed at kids (GIVE ME A POWER PACK MOVIE), something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:50:52 GMT -5
The thing with Galactus is despite his power level he's a pretty basic threat. He shows up to your planet and tries to eat it. He's not a schemer with a complicated goal that requires a long, drawn out storyline to resolve. I wouldn't mind seeing them doing something with time travel next. Maybe Immortus or Kang as the main villain. I think the High Evolutionary would be interesting too. Yeah, Galactus doesn't really work for the big bad of a long series. You could have him be mentioned as coming in earlier ones and they have to prepare for him... but... really his plan is show up and devour the planet. He doesn't have any long term goal other than his own survival. that said with Captain Marvel having them I wouldn't be surprised if the Skrull vs. Kree war picks up. True. Thinking about it more he makes more sense in that Ultron, "Fill the gaps," role than as an overaching villain.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2018 12:20:58 GMT -5
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