Chiral
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Post by Chiral on May 13, 2018 17:04:18 GMT -5
I remember Tazz saying his gear was made of hard plastic and 4th grade me wondering how he wrestled in hard plastic.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 17:11:08 GMT -5
When Otani wrestled in the WWE? He won the lightheavy weight title at a house show He didn't win the title on a WWE house show, he won it on a NJPW show at the Nagoya Dome. Otani was the last J-Crown champion (which included the WWE Light Heavyweight title that WWE didn't control, as odd as that sounds) before WWE wanted their title back and the J-Crown was dissolved. Otani never wrestled on a WWE show.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 13, 2018 17:15:37 GMT -5
He won the lightheavy weight title at a house show He didn't win the title on a WWE house show, he won it on a NJPW show at the Nagoya Dome. Otani was the last J-Crown champion (which included the WWE Light Heavyweight title that WWE didn't control, as odd as that sounds) before WWE wanted their title back and the J-Crown was dissolved. Otani never wrestled on a WWE show. Yeah, I think where Funker's getting confused is that Otani DID win the WCW Cruiserweight title on a houseshow, but yeah, never was in the WWF. I almost made the dumbest mistake of my life when I briefly confused him for Takao Omori, who DID wrestle for WWF in the 1996 Royal Rumble, but then my brain actually turned on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 13, 2018 19:54:36 GMT -5
Ultima wanted to have a small run with the WWE and got his wish he really only had 2 big wishes for his WWE run. Wrestle at Mania, and Wrestle at Madison Square Garden. He did both the same night.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on May 13, 2018 21:24:09 GMT -5
When Otani wrestled in the WWE? He won the lightheavy weight title at a house show This is where the murkiness of a pro wrestling championship comes up. Ohtani, Sasuke, Liger and Ultimo held the old WWF Light Heavyweight title, which was something they created for Mexico. It rarely ever was defended on WWF promoted shows. The title eventually made its way to Japan. When WWE was looking to establish the title again they literally had to track down where it was, since they had never really controlled the booking of the belt. Thats why Ohtani surrendered the title back to them. He never wrestled for WWF/WWE. The modern day WWF/WWE Light Heavyweight championship starts its lineage with Taka Michinoku. Two different championships.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on May 14, 2018 2:08:44 GMT -5
I remember Tazz saying his gear was made of hard plastic and 4th grade me wondering how he wrestled in hard plastic. He would have been way more over if his name was Hard Plastic tbh
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Post by chazraps on May 14, 2018 2:11:05 GMT -5
Oh, probably, but it would have probably been compared to the WCW and WAR encounters, and it was obviously never going to live up to either of those. They did end up wrestling each other on Smackdown if you're curious www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0K9dq9rqOQAnyone else have absolutely no memory of this match whatsoever? This is pretty sweet, and surreal to watch.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 14, 2018 3:09:41 GMT -5
The longstanding answer to why it didn't take off has been said by numerous parties within the company at the time that Vince thought he was getting another Rey Mysterio without really looking into Ultimo Dragon's body of work. Which really wasn't like Mysterio's even before the injury issues. When he found out what he got, he dumped bigger plans for Dragon but let the man work through the rest of his contract.
Which while he didn't get much screen time on Smackdown itself, he was a pretty steady feature on Velocity at the time and had some great matches on that program honestly. He along with a lot of the other cruiserweights and under card talents they had at the time made Velocity one of the best top to bottom quality programs for WWE for probably a solid year there. It helped it was predominately just matches with the occasional story told across a handful of episodes through an in-ring story during the matches and the announcers.
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Post by nickcave on May 14, 2018 9:41:51 GMT -5
Also another fun fact, Ultimo was one of Cena's original traveling partners which is surreal to think about.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on May 14, 2018 15:30:38 GMT -5
He won the lightheavy weight title at a house show This is where the murkiness of a pro wrestling championship comes up. Ohtani, Sasuke, Liger and Ultimo held the old WWF Light Heavyweight title, which was something they created for Mexico. It rarely ever was defended on WWF promoted shows. The title eventually made its way to Japan. When WWE was looking to establish the title again they literally had to track down where it was, since they had never really controlled the booking of the belt. Thats why Ohtani surrendered the title back to them. He never wrestled for WWF/WWE. The modern day WWF/WWE Light Heavyweight championship starts its lineage with Taka Michinoku. Two different championships. "Gentleman" Chris Adams is also a former WWF Light Heavyweight Title holder.
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Post by nickcave on May 14, 2018 17:42:00 GMT -5
Anyone else have absolutely no memory of this match whatsoever? This is pretty sweet, and surreal to watch. I do wonder with the Tajiri stuff at the end if they were trying to set up Ultimo turning heel and joining his stable he had going at the time but they got cold feet.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on May 14, 2018 17:54:44 GMT -5
Disappointed that Ultimo didn't get to do more in the WWE. But it sees like he didn't really have the same ambitions that Vince had for him. He got what he wanted and the WWE treated him respectfully even if he didn't get major airtime. Hoping for a WWE HoF induction sometime down the line.
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Post by fw91 on May 14, 2018 19:31:30 GMT -5
titus just stole his gimmick.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 15, 2018 5:04:06 GMT -5
Still the best character in wcw vs nWo world tour.
I think his run failed because unlike Rey, Dragon didn't have good opponents like Chavo Guerrero or Kurt Angle, who would've make him look like a million dollars. Unfortunately you're as only good as your opponent makes you look. Mysterio had Chavo and Angle, Ultimo had Shannon Moore and Jamie Noble...
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on May 15, 2018 10:42:30 GMT -5
He won the lightheavy weight title at a house show This is where the murkiness of a pro wrestling championship comes up. Ohtani, Sasuke, Liger and Ultimo held the old WWF Light Heavyweight title, which was something they created for Mexico. It rarely ever was defended on WWF promoted shows. The title eventually made its way to Japan. When WWE was looking to establish the title again they literally had to track down where it was, since they had never really controlled the booking of the belt. Thats why Ohtani surrendered the title back to them. He never wrestled for WWF/WWE. The modern day WWF/WWE Light Heavyweight championship starts its lineage with Taka Michinoku. Two different championships. I never knew this. Very interesting, as WWE never really had any working deals with Mexican promotions or much of presence. Unless I'm missing something?
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Post by nickcave on May 15, 2018 11:37:36 GMT -5
Still the best character in wcw vs nWo world tour. I think his run failed because unlike Rey, Dragon didn't have good opponents like Chavo Guerrero or Kurt Angle, who would've make him look like a million dollars. Unfortunately you're as only good as your opponent makes you look. Mysterio had Chavo and Angle, Ultimo had Shannon Moore and Jamie Noble... I rewatched his debut match against Shannon Moore again recently and it's actually a really good match and the crowd is clearly very into it. I'm not sure why Vince watched that match and decided "Velocity only."
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 15, 2018 11:46:22 GMT -5
Still the best character in wcw vs nWo world tour. I think his run failed because unlike Rey, Dragon didn't have good opponents like Chavo Guerrero or Kurt Angle, who would've make him look like a million dollars. Unfortunately you're as only good as your opponent makes you look. Mysterio had Chavo and Angle, Ultimo had Shannon Moore and Jamie Noble... I rewatched his debut match against Shannon Moore again recently and it's actually a really good match and the crowd is clearly very into it. I'm not sure why Vince watched that match and decided "Velocity only." Because Vince thought he wrestled like Rey, and had no idea while Dragon was a good high flyer but was a different style. It was more Vince didn't do his homework on the guy. His arm issue wasn't much of a problem, I didn't see stopping him from doing most of what he does in away of kicks. The guy could have been money like Rey if think about Merchandise stand point.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on May 15, 2018 21:47:23 GMT -5
This is where the murkiness of a pro wrestling championship comes up. Ohtani, Sasuke, Liger and Ultimo held the old WWF Light Heavyweight title, which was something they created for Mexico. It rarely ever was defended on WWF promoted shows. The title eventually made its way to Japan. When WWE was looking to establish the title again they literally had to track down where it was, since they had never really controlled the booking of the belt. Thats why Ohtani surrendered the title back to them. He never wrestled for WWF/WWE. The modern day WWF/WWE Light Heavyweight championship starts its lineage with Taka Michinoku. Two different championships. I never knew this. Very interesting, as WWE never really had any working deals with Mexican promotions or much of presence. Unless I'm missing something? They had a partnership with the old UWA in the 80’s. The WWF got international recognition in Mexico, UWA got an American World Championship and the two traded talent for awhile.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on May 16, 2018 9:10:28 GMT -5
I never knew this. Very interesting, as WWE never really had any working deals with Mexican promotions or much of presence. Unless I'm missing something? They had a partnership with the old UWA in the 80’s. The WWF got international recognition in Mexico, UWA got an American World Championship and the two traded talent for awhile. Ah cool. They could have done with more of these working relationships throughout the 90s. Would've bulked up WWF's roster during 95-96.
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Post by Eddie Brock on May 19, 2018 20:31:12 GMT -5
I always thought a Dragon/Mysterio tag team was a huge missed opportunity. It seemed like that was the direction they were going to go in the night Ultimo debuted with Rey doing commentary for his match and shaking hands after but by the following week, they had Kidman return and save Rey from a beatdown while Ultimo wrestled in a dark match before the tapings that night. I wonder if Rey/Ultimo vs. WGTT was the original plan before Vince got turned off by Ultimo’s debut? They actually did that match at a house show in Japan which I’d love to see someday.
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