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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 16, 2018 17:24:54 GMT -5
Doesn't Moose have domestic violence charges against him in his past too? Allegedly that’s what scared WWE off from signing him when he was a free agent. From what I just read, it happened before he decided to be a wrestler. Nothing ever seemed to ever come of it from the original arrest outside they broke up after he decided to leave the NFL for wrestling.
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Post by edgestar on May 16, 2018 17:49:02 GMT -5
I just want a happy medium- where no one is happy? I think you're looking for the WWE section. I'm good in the WWE section!
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 16, 2018 23:14:36 GMT -5
I thought he was retiring? He was and then Su Young actually talked him out of it. As for hiring Rich? From everything I've seen he's been very remorseful for what he did. His wife seems to have forgiven him and has multiple times on social media (before Rich got hired) asked people to respect her decisions and has been defensive of Rich whenever anybody has attacked him or questioned her about him. He absolutely deserves all criticism and hate he got for his arrest. Maybe Su Young and his relationship is volatile and abusive, maybe it was a one time (very very very bad) situation that happened. I don't know. It is possible that Su Young has forgiven him and that they are happily married again. Hopefully everything Su Young has said is true
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 16, 2018 23:46:10 GMT -5
Well, hopefully he has his head on straight. I have no other thoughts on the matter.
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Post by floundertime on May 17, 2018 1:54:55 GMT -5
I know we're talking about Rich going to impact, but let's look a little closer at the tweet. Impact is doing a TV taping, but you have to go to another wrestling company's website to buy tickets. Huh???
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on May 17, 2018 2:10:01 GMT -5
I know we're talking about Rich going to impact, but let's look a little closer at the tweet. Impact is doing a TV taping, but you have to go to another wrestling company's website to buy tickets. Huh??? Impact has been filming stuff at different events run by indies they are working with. The indie gets to have a few decent name stars and the whole "come to a national TV taping" draw, while Impact just has to send a few talents and a camera crew. In this case, Border City is Scott D'Amore's promotion and D'Amore is one of the guys in charge of Impact so it is win/win for him.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 3:45:08 GMT -5
There was practically a lynch mob calling for ADR’s head when people thought he was physically abusing Paige. Someone even posted that there was a recording of him talking about his drugs. There was no such recording. Only Paige yelling at him. ADR never even cussed her or raised his voice to her on it. There was never a drug bust. ADR has quite an attitude and he’s definitely had some anger issues. He’s not too fond of wrestling fans so I can see people not liking him. Paige defended him multiple times whenever allegations of abuse came up. The only “abuse” on record is Paige throwing water on ADR. Paige would have nothing to lose speaking about any alleged abuse now, yet there’s been nothing. People still believe what they want to believe about their situation though. I don’t say this to defend ADR. I say it because I prefer evidence to make any judgments in such matters.
It’s kind of bizarre to me that people are so accepting of Rich Swann coming to TNA or back to wrestling in general. There are witnesses that saw Su Yung jump from a moving car to get away from Swann and that he jumped after her and put her in a headlock to drag her back to the car, while the car kept going and hit a telephone pole. That’s not a one time thing. You don’t jump from a moving car over an argument. There’s a history of abuse there for a reaction like that. Swann announced his retirement because he got caught. He couldn’t show his face again. Not after something like that. Then he appeared in CZW and everything was cool there, so that gave him a green light to make his comeback. Also his wife forgave him, which victims of abuse often do. Not surprising and not surprising that TNA would take him.
Some people were claiming there would be another Benoit type of incident with ADR and Paige, even without any real evidence for such a belief. There’s more potential that that could happen with Swann and Yung but people don’t seem overly concerned like they were with ADR and Paige. So my question is why not? Especially with all this proof out there. Is it because Paige is more popular or considered more attractive than Yung? Does that make Yung’s actual documented abuse less important for some reason? The wrestling community really surprises me with some of their reactions sometimes.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 17, 2018 4:19:43 GMT -5
There was practically a lynch mob calling for ADR’s head when people thought he was physically abusing Paige. Someone even posted that there was a recording of him talking about his drugs. There was no such recording. Only Paige yelling at him. ADR never even cussed her or raised his voice to her on it. There was never a drug bust. ADR has quite an attitude and he’s definitely had some anger issues. He’s not too fond of wrestling fans so I can see people not liking him. Paige defended him multiple times whenever allegations of abuse came up. The only “abuse” on record is Paige throwing water on ADR. Paige would have nothing to lose speaking about any alleged abuse now, yet there’s been nothing. People still believe what they want to believe about their situation though. I don’t say this to defend ADR. I say it because I prefer evidence to make any judgments in such matters. It’s kind of bizarre to me that people are so accepting of Rich Swann coming to TNA or back to wrestling in general. There are witnesses that saw Su Yung jump from a moving car to get away from Swann and that he jumped after her and put her in a headlock to drag her back to the car, while the car kept going and hit a telephone pole. That’s not a one time thing. You don’t jump from a moving car over an argument. There’s a history of abuse there for a reaction like that. Swann announced his retirement because he got caught. He couldn’t show his face again. Not after something like that. Then he appeared in CZW and everything was cool there, so that gave him a green light to make his comeback. Also his wife forgave him, which victims of abuse often do. Not surprising and not surprising that TNA would take him. Some people were claiming there would be another Benoit type of incident with ADR and Paige, even without any real evidence for such a belief. There’s more potential that that could happen with Swann and Yung but people don’t seem overly concerned like they were with ADR and Paige. So my question is why not? Especially with all this proof out there. Is it because Paige is more popular or considered more attractive than Yung? Does that make Yung’s actual documented abuse less important for some reason? The wrestling community really surprises me with some of their reactions sometimes. Is it that different though? There are some people here, and in that thread who are saying "f*** that guy" some that are saying "f*** that guy, but there's nothing we can do about her choices" and some saying "no conviction, it's their business". Haven't cross referenced but I'd imagine it's the same posters in each category on both issues, it's just Paige and ADR are bigger stars, so naturally they'll get more attention.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 4:20:28 GMT -5
There was practically a lynch mob calling for ADR’s head when people thought he was physically abusing Paige. Someone even posted that there was a recording of him talking about his drugs. There was no such recording. Only Paige yelling at him. ADR never even cussed her or raised his voice to her on it. There was never a drug bust. ADR has quite an attitude and he’s definitely had some anger issues. He’s not too fond of wrestling fans so I can see people not liking him. Paige defended him multiple times whenever allegations of abuse came up. The only “abuse” on record is Paige throwing water on ADR. Paige would have nothing to lose speaking about any alleged abuse now, yet there’s been nothing. People still believe what they want to believe about their situation though. I don’t say this to defend ADR. I say it because I prefer evidence to make any judgments in such matters. It’s kind of bizarre to me that people are so accepting of Rich Swann coming to TNA or back to wrestling in general. There are witnesses that saw Su Yung jump from a moving car to get away from Swann and that he jumped after her and put her in a headlock to drag her back to the car, while the car kept going and hit a telephone pole. That’s not a one time thing. You don’t jump from a moving car over an argument. There’s a history of abuse there for a reaction like that. Swann announced his retirement because he got caught. He couldn’t show his face again. Not after something like that. Then he appeared in CZW and everything was cool there, so that gave him a green light to make his comeback. Also his wife forgave him, which victims of abuse often do. Not surprising and not surprising that TNA would take him. Some people were claiming there would be another Benoit type of incident with ADR and Paige, even without any real evidence for such a belief. There’s more potential that that could happen with Swann and Yung but people don’t seem overly concerned like they were with ADR and Paige. So my question is why not? Especially with all this proof out there. Is it because Paige is more popular or considered more attractive than Yung? Does that make Yung’s actual documented abuse less important for some reason? The wrestling community really surprises me with some of their reactions sometimes. No. No at all of this, and frankly, it’s a disgusting thought you cooked up. People were worried about that situation because of the fact that Del Rio and Paige were always in the news cycle for negative things, and rumored to be heavy drug users. There was the incident around MITB (I think that’s when it took place), there was the airport thing, there was Alberto’s suspicious stabbing, Alberto threatening violence against anyone and everyone, etc. People were throwing around the “Benoit” label (which was never a great thing to say) because they both seemed to be completely out of their minds for a long time, and it was f***ing worrisome. There’s only one incident between Swann and Su for us to discuss, and is evidenced by this thread, most people are still concerned and are very wary of Rich Swann.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 4:31:30 GMT -5
There was practically a lynch mob calling for ADR’s head when people thought he was physically abusing Paige. Someone even posted that there was a recording of him talking about his drugs. There was no such recording. Only Paige yelling at him. ADR never even cussed her or raised his voice to her on it. There was never a drug bust. ADR has quite an attitude and he’s definitely had some anger issues. He’s not too fond of wrestling fans so I can see people not liking him. Paige defended him multiple times whenever allegations of abuse came up. The only “abuse” on record is Paige throwing water on ADR. Paige would have nothing to lose speaking about any alleged abuse now, yet there’s been nothing. People still believe what they want to believe about their situation though. I don’t say this to defend ADR. I say it because I prefer evidence to make any judgments in such matters. It’s kind of bizarre to me that people are so accepting of Rich Swann coming to TNA or back to wrestling in general. There are witnesses that saw Su Yung jump from a moving car to get away from Swann and that he jumped after her and put her in a headlock to drag her back to the car, while the car kept going and hit a telephone pole. That’s not a one time thing. You don’t jump from a moving car over an argument. There’s a history of abuse there for a reaction like that. Swann announced his retirement because he got caught. He couldn’t show his face again. Not after something like that. Then he appeared in CZW and everything was cool there, so that gave him a green light to make his comeback. Also his wife forgave him, which victims of abuse often do. Not surprising and not surprising that TNA would take him. Some people were claiming there would be another Benoit type of incident with ADR and Paige, even without any real evidence for such a belief. There’s more potential that that could happen with Swann and Yung but people don’t seem overly concerned like they were with ADR and Paige. So my question is why not? Especially with all this proof out there. Is it because Paige is more popular or considered more attractive than Yung? Does that make Yung’s actual documented abuse less important for some reason? The wrestling community really surprises me with some of their reactions sometimes. No. No at all of this, and frankly, it’s a disgusting thought you cooked up. People were worried about that situation because of the fact that Del Rio and Paige were always in the news cycle for negative things, and rumored to be heavy drug users. There was the incident around MITB (I think that’s when it took place), there was the airport thing, there was Alberto’s suspicious stabbing, Alberto threatening violence against anyone and everyone, etc. People were throwing around the “Benoit” label (which was never a great thing to say) because they both seemed to be completely out of their minds for a long time, and it was f***ing worrisome. There’s only one incident between Swann and Su for us to discuss, and is evidenced by this thread, most people are still concerned and are very wary of Rich Swann. I think it’s disgusting too and obviously no one is going to admit they feel that way even if they did. I just can’t comprehend people clinging to rumors harder than actual evidence, which seems to be the case here.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on May 17, 2018 6:55:02 GMT -5
eh, I'm sure they'll give him an auto title run and have him cut the standard 'they held me back' promo.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 17, 2018 8:31:21 GMT -5
No. No at all of this, and frankly, it’s a disgusting thought you cooked up. People were worried about that situation because of the fact that Del Rio and Paige were always in the news cycle for negative things, and rumored to be heavy drug users. There was the incident around MITB (I think that’s when it took place), there was the airport thing, there was Alberto’s suspicious stabbing, Alberto threatening violence against anyone and everyone, etc. People were throwing around the “Benoit” label (which was never a great thing to say) because they both seemed to be completely out of their minds for a long time, and it was f***ing worrisome. There’s only one incident between Swann and Su for us to discuss, and is evidenced by this thread, most people are still concerned and are very wary of Rich Swann. I think it’s disgusting too and obviously no one is going to admit they feel that way even if they did. I just can’t comprehend people clinging to rumors harder than actual evidence, which seems to be the case here. Okay well that's an insidious little tidbit kind of lacking in intellectual honesty but aside from that... Again, there was more than rumour; there was them both failing drug tests, the random mystery ghost hobo stabbing of Alberto, Alberto beating someone up for talking to Paige at a show in Mexico, the Periscope live rambles where a clearly not sober Alberto kept trying to shoot on WWE while an uncomfortable Paige kept trying to awkwardly pull him from the topic, there was Paige's own family making accusations against Alberto of abusive behavior, and then Alberto spewing weird lies about the whole thing afterward that didn't really track with what had been publicly said. Paige and Alberto was a bigger story with bigger names that played out over a longer period with a lot more questions. Some people in this thread loathe the idea of him returning, some people think he deserves a second change. If you want to go track down the old Paige threads and take names down then by all means go ahead, but weird blanket statements about double standards don't do anybody any good, and I say this as someone who didn't want Del Rio around and doesn't much care for Rich Swann in there either. It's just a bad time for everyone involved.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 8:45:46 GMT -5
I think it’s disgusting too and obviously no one is going to admit they feel that way even if they did. I just can’t comprehend people clinging to rumors harder than actual evidence, which seems to be the case here. Okay well that's an insidious little tidbit kind of lacking in intellectual honesty but aside from that... Again, there was more than rumour; there was them both failing drug tests, the random mystery ghost hobo stabbing of Alberto, Alberto beating someone up for talking to Paige at a show in Mexico, the Periscope live rambles where a clearly not sober Alberto kept trying to shoot on WWE while an uncomfortable Paige kept trying to awkwardly pull him from the topic, there was Paige's own family making accusations against Alberto of abusive behavior, and then Alberto spewing weird lies about the whole thing afterward that didn't really track with what had been publicly said. Paige and Alberto was a bigger story with bigger names that played out over a longer period with a lot more questions. Some people in this thread loathe the idea of him returning, some people think he deserves a second change. If you want to go track down the old Paige threads and take names down then by all means go ahead, but weird blanket statements about double standards don't do anybody any good, and I say this as someone who didn't want Del Rio around and doesn't much care for Rich Swann in there either. It's just a bad time for everyone involved. Paige’s family weren’t around them. I don’t blame them for disapproving of their relationship but they weren’t actual witnesses to anything. Why would I have any desire to go back through old threads and take names down for any reason whatsoever? Why you would even suggest such a thing is beyond me. Maybe that’s something you’re into but I have no interest.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 17, 2018 8:51:23 GMT -5
Okay well that's an insidious little tidbit kind of lacking in intellectual honesty but aside from that... Again, there was more than rumour; there was them both failing drug tests, the random mystery ghost hobo stabbing of Alberto, Alberto beating someone up for talking to Paige at a show in Mexico, the Periscope live rambles where a clearly not sober Alberto kept trying to shoot on WWE while an uncomfortable Paige kept trying to awkwardly pull him from the topic, there was Paige's own family making accusations against Alberto of abusive behavior, and then Alberto spewing weird lies about the whole thing afterward that didn't really track with what had been publicly said. Paige and Alberto was a bigger story with bigger names that played out over a longer period with a lot more questions. Some people in this thread loathe the idea of him returning, some people think he deserves a second change. If you want to go track down the old Paige threads and take names down then by all means go ahead, but weird blanket statements about double standards don't do anybody any good, and I say this as someone who didn't want Del Rio around and doesn't much care for Rich Swann in there either. It's just a bad time for everyone involved. Paige’s family weren’t around them. I don’t blame them for disapproving of their relationship but they weren’t actual witnesses to anything. Why would I have any desire to go back through old threads and take names down for any reason whatsoever? Why you would even suggest such a thing is beyond me. Maybe that’s something you’re into but I have no interest. The airport incident took place just as they were coming back from a week-long trip to the UK to visit her family, and I didn't say that her family confirmed the airport story, I'm saying there was a broader pattern there and months of stories coming out about what happened, rather than one isolated incident people blew up. And all I'm saying is, posting big, sweeping remarks about people and making weird judgement calls about how they care more about rumours than "real domestic abuse" because they think Paige is prettier is nothing short of pure madness, and if you want to back that up at least go prove there's some individual dissonance going on here. Replying to someone saying "That's insane" with "Yeah but nobody would ever admit it anyway" is a lazy and dishonest way of trying to keep your point held up. Go qualify it.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 9:19:10 GMT -5
Paige’s family weren’t around them. I don’t blame them for disapproving of their relationship but they weren’t actual witnesses to anything. Why would I have any desire to go back through old threads and take names down for any reason whatsoever? Why you would even suggest such a thing is beyond me. Maybe that’s something you’re into but I have no interest. The airport incident took place just as they were coming back from a week-long trip to the UK to visit her family, and I didn't say that her family confirmed the airport story, I'm saying there was a broader pattern there and months of stories coming out about what happened, rather than one isolated incident people blew up. And all I'm saying is, posting big, sweeping remarks about people and making weird judgement calls about how they care more about rumours than "real domestic abuse" because they think Paige is prettier is nothing short of pure madness, and if you want to back that up at least go prove there's some individual dissonance going on here. Replying to someone saying "That's insane" with "Yeah but nobody would ever admit it anyway" is a lazy and dishonest way of trying to keep your point held up. Go qualify it. Still doesn’t explain why people seem to care more about rumors than actual evidence which is what it seems like with the lynch mob mentality out for ADR while others are accepting of Swann but ok.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 17, 2018 9:21:31 GMT -5
The airport incident took place just as they were coming back from a week-long trip to the UK to visit her family, and I didn't say that her family confirmed the airport story, I'm saying there was a broader pattern there and months of stories coming out about what happened, rather than one isolated incident people blew up. And all I'm saying is, posting big, sweeping remarks about people and making weird judgement calls about how they care more about rumours than "real domestic abuse" because they think Paige is prettier is nothing short of pure madness, and if you want to back that up at least go prove there's some individual dissonance going on here. Replying to someone saying "That's insane" with "Yeah but nobody would ever admit it anyway" is a lazy and dishonest way of trying to keep your point held up. Go qualify it. Still doesn’t explain why people seem to care more about rumors than actual evidence which is what it seems like with the lynch mob mentality out for ADR while others are accepting of Swann but ok. Because different people hold different views. You even say "others". Unless you've got some incriminating posts on hand how are you so sure that it's not the exact same people condemning Swann as were condemnig ADR, and that the people willing to give him a chance also weren't super against Alberto's presence? That's what I'm saying here. You're painting broad strokes in calling people hypocritical but that relies on taking what some people said last year and then what other, different people say this year, and applying both sentiments to both groups.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 9:37:12 GMT -5
Still doesn’t explain why people seem to care more about rumors than actual evidence which is what it seems like with the lynch mob mentality out for ADR while others are accepting of Swann but ok. Because different people hold different views. You even say "others". Unless you've got some incriminating posts on hand how are you so sure that it's not the exact same people condemning Swann as were condemnig ADR, and that the people willing to give him a chance also weren't super against Alberto's presence? That's what I'm saying here. You're painting broad strokes in calling people hypocritical but that relies on taking what some people said last year and then what other, different people say this year, and applying both sentiments to both groups. I don’t keep track of who said what. It’s odd to me to suggest that I would. You’re taking what I said and you’re trying to turn it in a completely different direction. Perhaps trying to make it personal against individual people here somehow which I’m not doing. I don’t keep track of who disagrees with me either, if that gives you any indication of how much I would care about such things. I simply don’t understand how some people can form such hatred over speculation of abuse while others are willing to be more accepting after evidence of actual abuse and I wonder why that is. Nothing more.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 17, 2018 10:28:46 GMT -5
Because different people hold different views. You even say "others". Unless you've got some incriminating posts on hand how are you so sure that it's not the exact same people condemning Swann as were condemnig ADR, and that the people willing to give him a chance also weren't super against Alberto's presence? That's what I'm saying here. You're painting broad strokes in calling people hypocritical but that relies on taking what some people said last year and then what other, different people say this year, and applying both sentiments to both groups. I don’t keep track of who said what. It’s odd to me to suggest that I would. You’re taking what I said and you’re trying to turn it in a completely different direction. Perhaps trying to make it personal against individual people here somehow which I’m not doing. I don’t keep track of who disagrees with me either, if that gives you any indication of how much I would care about such things. I simply don’t understand how some people can form such hatred over speculation of abuse while others are willing to be more accepting after evidence of actual abuse and I wonder why that is. Nothing more. Because they're different people? Some will have not cared about either, pretty sure all the people who thought ADR was being a colossal dangerous asshole think the same about Swan. That's not something people generally have a lot of flexibility. Unless it's the same person having 2 different views on the situations, there's literally no point there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 17, 2018 14:38:31 GMT -5
Because different people hold different views. You even say "others". Unless you've got some incriminating posts on hand how are you so sure that it's not the exact same people condemning Swann as were condemnig ADR, and that the people willing to give him a chance also weren't super against Alberto's presence? That's what I'm saying here. You're painting broad strokes in calling people hypocritical but that relies on taking what some people said last year and then what other, different people say this year, and applying both sentiments to both groups. I don’t keep track of who said what. It’s odd to me to suggest that I would. You’re taking what I said and you’re trying to turn it in a completely different direction. Perhaps trying to make it personal against individual people here somehow which I’m not doing. I don’t keep track of who disagrees with me either, if that gives you any indication of how much I would care about such things. I simply don’t understand how some people can form such hatred over speculation of abuse while others are willing to be more accepting after evidence of actual abuse and I wonder why that is. Nothing more. Based upon what I’ve read your blanket statement has been answered multiple times and you keep talking in circles pushing a rhetoric you want to believe in
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 17, 2018 14:49:53 GMT -5
I don’t keep track of who said what. It’s odd to me to suggest that I would. You’re taking what I said and you’re trying to turn it in a completely different direction. Perhaps trying to make it personal against individual people here somehow which I’m not doing. I don’t keep track of who disagrees with me either, if that gives you any indication of how much I would care about such things. I simply don’t understand how some people can form such hatred over speculation of abuse while others are willing to be more accepting after evidence of actual abuse and I wonder why that is. Nothing more. Based upon what I’ve read your blanket statement has been answered multiple times and you keep talking in circles pushing a rhetoric you want to believe in And it keeps being turned into something else but ok.
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