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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 13, 2018 2:36:23 GMT -5
I don't really get why MSG gets more of a chunk of earnings based on a house show vs. PPV, other than the obvious up charge in ticket prices. The thing that troubles me about this is that ROH itself isn't an especially hot product right now. The Bullet Club and Elite guys are hot properties. New Japan guys on their shows are a hot property. Stuff like this would concern me if I'm an ROH exec. All it would take is a falling out with NJPW and NJPW could pull various talent from ROH cards, pull the Bullet Club trademarks, and then where would ROH really be? Sinclair ought to pump some actual money into this thing. I know ROH is supposed to be a sister promotion of sorts to NJPW, but it really comes off like a AAA feeder. MSG gets more for TV than house shows because they make people filming pay for MSG production people and equipment whether they use it or not. Yep, MSG have their own TV crew and you have to pay for their cut regardless if you use them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 2:49:39 GMT -5
MSG gets more for TV than house shows because they make people filming pay for MSG production people and equipment whether they use it or not. Yep, MSG have their own TV crew and you have to pay for their cut regardless if you use them. Not only that, but there's just "site fees" for the privilege of having any sort of event broadcast from the venue. They're not the only ones who do it in NYC. Manhattan Center and Hammerstein Ballroom do the same thing. There's one price for just doing an event, and then there's another price (anywhere from $10,000-$15,000 more per night) if you plan for it to be broadcast.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jun 13, 2018 2:58:22 GMT -5
Can’t imagine it selling out. Even if it was WrestleMania weekend? That's the only way I can see it selling out. Thousands of hardcore wrestling fans in the area that just can't get enough wrestling. And MSG still holds a lot of weight in the wrestling community.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 3:05:40 GMT -5
During Mania weekend there's so many other things going on, it divides the audience. It would almost be a guarantee WWE would schedule something in the area head to head with it. They are better off doing a stand alone show on a night when they know WWE is elsewhere.
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Post by Woo on Jun 13, 2018 3:57:12 GMT -5
Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2018 7:21:52 GMT -5
Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. To be fair, James "Guitar Jimmy" Dolan is a bit of an greedy jackass. Alot of people don't like dealing with him and his prices.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 13, 2018 7:51:56 GMT -5
Can’t imagine it selling out. Even if it was WrestleMania weekend? That's the only way I can see it selling out. Thousands of hardcore wrestling fans in the area that just can't get enough wrestling. And MSG still holds a lot of weight in the wrestling community. MSG holds 18-20K.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 7:54:47 GMT -5
Can’t imagine it selling out. Don't wrestling events that take place in the area of WrestleMania during WM Week often do *quite* well? It may not sell out but it won't be shabby. The eye of the wrestling world seems to linger on wherever WrestleMania is every year and attracts a lot more of said world than just what the WWE presence brings in. Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. There were issues on the MSG end, I thought. They were raising rates or something and WWE was just deciding to do less there. Easy to blame WWE but I didn't think they were totally at fault with this one. That said, WWE not trying to schedule the building for ANY WM week events ( especially the HOF) is damned odd and kind of a bad move.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 13, 2018 9:00:09 GMT -5
Can’t imagine it selling out. Don't wrestling events that take place in the area of WrestleMania during WM Week often do *quite* well? It may not sell out but it won't be shabby. The eye of the wrestling world seems to linger on wherever WrestleMania is every year and attracts a lot more of said world than just what the WWE presence brings in. Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. There were issues on the MSG end, I thought. They were raising rates or something and WWE was just deciding to do less there. Easy to blame WWE but I didn't think they were totally at fault with this one. That said, WWE not trying to schedule the building for ANY WM week events ( especially the HOF) is damned odd and kind of a bad move. Doing “quite well” and selling out a 20K arena are two different things. I mean I guess it’s possible but it would almost have to be people going just for the novelty of it being in MSG than people going because they want to see an ROH show.
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Post by corndog on Jun 13, 2018 9:27:08 GMT -5
Don't wrestling events that take place in the area of WrestleMania during WM Week often do *quite* well? It may not sell out but it won't be shabby. The eye of the wrestling world seems to linger on wherever WrestleMania is every year and attracts a lot more of said world than just what the WWE presence brings in. There were issues on the MSG end, I thought. They were raising rates or something and WWE was just deciding to do less there. Easy to blame WWE but I didn't think they were totally at fault with this one. That said, WWE not trying to schedule the building for ANY WM week events ( especially the HOF) is damned odd and kind of a bad move. Doing “quite well” and selling out a 20K arena are two different things. I mean I guess it’s possible but it would almost have to be people going just for the novelty of it being in MSG than people going because they want to see an ROH show. I agree, if ROH wants any chance of selling out the show they are going to have to partner up with other organizations much like how "All In" is featuring talent from New Japan, Lucha Underground/AAA, and across the indies. Outside of New Japan, pretty much every major organization books shows for Wrestlemania weekend, which forces fans to choose who they are going to see. Granted, there are so many hardcore wrestling fans in town for Wrestlemania that they can all get a few thousand to attend their shows and make plenty of money, plus there is a lot of talent sharing. But to get 20,000 for one show outside of WWE is going to be incredibly difficult unless several shows just completely consolidate their efforts with ROH. However, I could see several of the larger organizations, specifically New Japan, RevPro and Lucha Underground/AAA(despite CMLL being the one with the relationship) working with ROH just to spite WWE. New Japan would need to not just have their upper midcard/fringe main-eventers like Ishii, Suzuki and Tanahashi, but the big three in Naito, Omega and Okada to help put this over the edge. This would be a great test for New Japan to see how the show does, without completely footing the bill themselves.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2018 11:30:02 GMT -5
Alex Shelly is still with ROH? If he is, it's finally his turn to pack 50,000 to the Garden!
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Post by chronocross on Jun 13, 2018 12:35:19 GMT -5
I think I might actually go to this one, it's been over 10 years since I've been to a show and curious myself.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jun 13, 2018 12:48:13 GMT -5
Alex Shelly is still with ROH? If he is, it's finally his turn to pack 50,000 to the Garden! Does the Garden even hold that many people?
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2018 12:56:53 GMT -5
Alex Shelly is still with ROH? If he is, it's finally his turn to pack 50,000 to the Garden! Does the Garden even hold that many people? It will that night.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 13, 2018 13:15:50 GMT -5
Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. WWE still run it, hell they had a co-brand house show there last year that had a title change, they just don't want to pay the crazy extra amount charged for TV run there.
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 13, 2018 13:25:38 GMT -5
Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. WWE still run it, hell they had a co-brand house show there last year that had a title change, they just don't want to pay the crazy extra amount charged for TV run there. Yeah, they run house shows there 2-3 times per year.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 13, 2018 14:49:23 GMT -5
Awesome! Since the WWE no lobger appreciate MSG I am glad other companies are using it instead. They still do their major house show dates at MSG. (The Post-Christmas show has been considered one of their most important shows of the year for instance and that's always at MSG.) They tend not to do TV there because of the associated fees there and especially since they made it harder for them to work there with their remodeling. Doubly so when there's another arena in the area they could just as easily use for cheaper.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 14, 2018 20:15:40 GMT -5
From Meltzer's Daily Update:
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Post by honsou on Jun 14, 2018 21:13:10 GMT -5
Bigger winner in all of this will be MSG management. If WWE does stop it, probably means WWE will have to run a significant amount of events there for the next few years
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 2:20:46 GMT -5
Hopefully WWE don't end up blocking AAA or ROH from running there. It would be an interesting experiment to watch play out, just to see what kind of a crowd either promotion could draw there. Keep in mind there's only one time ROH has drawn over 5,000 people in its history. I know All In "sold out" 10,000 tickets, but we don't yet know how many of those actually went to scalper sites, and how many were bought by actual people planning to attend. I'd like to see what a big ROH show could potentially draw at MSG.
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