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Post by wrestlingrecap on Jun 19, 2018 15:42:26 GMT -5
I would imagine this would just give ROH even more support. And, it is not an instance of the big guy knocking out the small guy. I hope they get a bigger arena in the area.
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Post by Shark on Jun 19, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -5
ROH poked the bear and the bear swiped at them. That's all that happened. Vince may have even done ROH a favor here. They were going to have to do something herculean to make any money on that show. Sinclair isn't the kind of company that won't expect to get their investment back.
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Post by burdette25159 on Jun 19, 2018 16:17:57 GMT -5
I have a prediction about the venue of ROH's Wrestlemania weekend card in New York: Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan Center
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Post by honsou on Jun 19, 2018 16:47:57 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how this plays out if it does get to the legal system because Sinclair does have the money to go toe to toe in any legal battle
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jun 19, 2018 16:51:49 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how this plays out if it does get to the legal system because Sinclair does have the money to go toe to toe in any legal battle “Let’s rock. “
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Post by chrom on Jun 19, 2018 17:01:01 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how this plays out if it does get to the legal system because Sinclair does have the money to go toe to toe in any legal battle “Let’s rock. “ I'd be confident too if I could drag out three week cases over six years
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Post by KofiMania on Jun 19, 2018 18:42:14 GMT -5
“Let’s rock. “ I'd be confident too if I could drag out three week cases over six years No such thing as a “three week case.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 18:45:14 GMT -5
ROH poked the bear and the bear swiped at them. That's all that happened. Vince may have even done ROH a favor here. They were going to have to do something herculean to make any money on that show. Sinclair is the kind of company that won't expect to get their investment back. Completely this.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 19, 2018 19:08:15 GMT -5
ROH poked the bear and the bear swiped at them. That's all that happened. Vince may have even done ROH a favor here. They were going to have to do something herculean to make any money on that show. Sinclair isn't the kind of company that won't expect to get their investment back. I don't know about that. Sinclair isn't a company that likes to be made foolish, especially in public like this. They have plenty of resources to make life hell for WWE. I mean this wasn't Joe Koff saying something that fell through, we're talking the head of one of the biggest media groups in the US talking about a deal being done.
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Post by Shark on Jun 19, 2018 19:15:33 GMT -5
ROH poked the bear and the bear swiped at them. That's all that happened. Vince may have even done ROH a favor here. They were going to have to do something herculean to make any money on that show. Sinclair isn't the kind of company that won't expect to get their investment back. I don't know about that. Sinclair isn't a company that likes to be made foolish, especially in public like this. They have plenty of resources to make life hell for WWE. I mean this wasn't Joe Koff saying something that fell through, we're talking the head of one of the biggest media groups in the US talking about a deal being done. I've personally never gotten the impression that Sinclair cares all that much about ROH. I've always had the feeling that they just see it as easy content. I don't doubt Koff didn't do a lot of work selling this idea to his bosses and is pissed right now. But the bosses at Sinclair might make a token look into litigation and then leave it be. Also, for all we know MSG had a backdoor out of the deal that they used. Legally, ROH might not be able to do anything.
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Post by chrom on Jun 19, 2018 19:55:08 GMT -5
I'd be confident too if I could drag out three week cases over six years No such thing as a “three week case.” Due to postponing cases and trials due to excuses that we see anymore such as "My client has corns growing in between his toes can we call this off for about three months," and "The Defendant's tie does not much with his haircut, clearly he's not fit mentally for court." no wonder
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 19, 2018 20:05:49 GMT -5
I know it's fun to rip into McMahon for this but honestly, I'd do the same thing he did. And I think most of you would too. His company... his family business is rooted in MSG and has been for nearly a CENTURY. I don't blame him for being territorial and I don't blame WWE for being offended that MSG negotiated with other companies. It's not petty. It's competition. And you build relationships with companies to freeze out companies that are trying to gain market share. It's a pretty common sense approach if you're a business owner. It's not petty. It would be an amateur move if he allowed it to happen. But the problem is that show business isn't working like other businesses. It's one thing if you're friends with your plumber, you get him over constantly, and then one day you hire someone else cheaper and it hurts because you have a rapport with him. MSG is a venue and WWE is in show business, where a lot of connections in a lot of places matter, and how is the opposite any damn different? WWE has their roots in MSG but they run MSG very, very sparingly. They signed up a mutli-year deal with the Barclay's Center and even for their anniversary Raw running multiple venues they didn't look to their "home venue" for anything. Why did WWE sign that deal with a competitor to MSG? It was lucrative. Same shit here. This is absolutely petty and it's a double standard to stick up for WWE's actions here like they aren't guilty of the same thing to MSG that MSG did here.
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Post by honsou on Jun 19, 2018 21:03:37 GMT -5
I don't know about that. Sinclair isn't a company that likes to be made foolish, especially in public like this. They have plenty of resources to make life hell for WWE. I mean this wasn't Joe Koff saying something that fell through, we're talking the head of one of the biggest media groups in the US talking about a deal being done. I've personally never gotten the impression that Sinclair cares all that much about ROH. I've always had the feeling that they just see it as easy content. I don't doubt Koff didn't do a lot of work selling this idea to his bosses and is pissed right now. But the bosses at Sinclair might make a token look into litigation and then leave it be. Also, for all we know MSG had a backdoor out of the deal that they used. Legally, ROH might not be able to do anything. Sinclair actually does care a fair amount about ROH, its right on the front of their website but never really saw it as that big of a money maker so they never put a ton of money into it. Sinclair did see it as something to fill airtime on all their stations while still breaking even. Now they see ROH as a possible money maker that can possibly be a flag ship show without having to spend the insane amount of upfront capital that you would need for one of the big shows. Plus infinite seasons! Also again given what Sinclair has been trying to in regards to mergers and broadcasting rights, their legal team is going to be much better than anything WWE has ever faced if it does go to court. If there is even a hint of a case I'd put my money on Sinclair in a heart beat
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:45:12 GMT -5
Aren't there several universities in New York that have 3-4,000 seat venues?
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 19, 2018 22:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah they could just go to St. John's basketball arena on campus where they play when they can't go to MSG. Fitting, huh?
I think WWE might wish they had just let ROH run the Garden. Now ROH looks like a wronged party here. The dilemma becomes this: ROH seems like a little guy being bullied by a huge company in WWE, but in reality they are owned by a massive (albeit dubious) media group like Sinclair.
I'm just curious as to why this happened. What exclusive rights does Vince have at MSG at this point?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 19, 2018 22:34:31 GMT -5
I'd assume Vince had to promise MSG something in return to deny ROH booking a show. Maybe we get one of the bigger WWE PPVs in MSG again.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 19, 2018 22:48:44 GMT -5
I'd assume Vince had to promise MSG something in return to deny ROH booking a show. Maybe we get one of the bigger WWE PPVs in MSG again. That going to make up for the revenue from several events run by less high profile companies though? Would they have offered at all if the competition hadn’t scared them? From a business perspective this seems very questionable to me. And from a “home base” perspective, don’t several companies run Kōrakuen Hall without people being like “but I thought that was NJPW’s place!”?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 19, 2018 22:54:45 GMT -5
This was a calculated move on Sinclair's part. They knew going in that WWE would do something, and baited them. If the people at Sinclair are truly serious about jumping into this business, they need that elephant in the room addressed first and foremost and initiating a situation that legal courts will determine the validity of WWE's not-quite-but-might-as-well-be monopoly on the arenas they use will get this part out of the way early.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 19, 2018 23:11:23 GMT -5
This was a calculated move on Sinclair's part. They knew going in that WWE would do something, and baited them. If the people at Sinclair are truly serious about jumping into this business, they need that elephant in the room addressed first and foremost and initiating a situation that legal courts will determine the validity of WWE's not-quite-but-might-as-well-be monopoly on the arenas they use will get this part out of the way early. Running a pretty big risk though, right? WWE is already running elsewhere. What if they just decide to turn the other check and let ROH incur the costs for a show that’s unlikely to pay significant dividends?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 19, 2018 23:17:08 GMT -5
Aren't there several universities in New York that have 3-4,000 seat venues? Not that are conducive to wrestling/would host wrestling. The closest possible thing would be Carnesecca Arena which is in the middle of f***ing nowhere Queens. There's a reason everyone has bit the bullet and used either Hammerstein or Terminal 5
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