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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 15, 2018 15:27:27 GMT -5
The distribution rights for the original Star Wars film (Disney owns the brand, but Fox still has that) The Simpsons Alien/Aliens Predator Planet of the Apes S'what I can think of off the top of my head. Think it also would give the new owner rights to things like Avatar, X-Files and Alvin and the Chipmunks, but not 100% certain on those. Also the Avatar franchise (the blue alien one, not the elemental nations one) Since Disney already has a dedicated part of it's theme park dedicated to the franchise, might as well own it. The MacFarlaneverse too? Though your mileage may vary if that's worth mentioning. And I feel Seth may want out of a Disney owned Fox...unless he falls under the "New Fox" that the network would be part of.
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Post by Shai on Jun 15, 2018 22:54:45 GMT -5
I don't know I mean Disney probably REALLY wants those Marvel IP's and the distribution rights to the OG Star Wars. I mean eventually their gonna want to sell us all an Ultimate Star Wars collection and having all of Marvel under one roof again (with the exception technically of the Spideyverse and Hulk, right?) Disney has way more a reason to give Fox whatever they want.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 15, 2018 23:12:21 GMT -5
I don't know I mean Disney probably REALLY wants those Marvel IP's and the distribution rights to the OG Star Wars. I mean eventually their gonna want to sell us all an Ultimate Star Wars collection and having all of Marvel under one roof again (with the exception technically of the Spideyverse and Hulk, right?) Disney has way more a reason to give Fox whatever they want. The Simpsons too, I'd wager. It's way past its prime, but the IP still generates insane amounts of cash.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 15, 2018 23:13:04 GMT -5
I don't know I mean Disney probably REALLY wants those Marvel IP's and the distribution rights to the OG Star Wars. I mean eventually their gonna want to sell us all an Ultimate Star Wars collection and having all of Marvel under one roof again (with the exception technically of the Spideyverse and Hulk, right?) Disney has way more a reason to give Fox whatever they want. Hulk is weird. They have the rights to make movies but universal has the publishing rights, sorta like Star Wars and Episode 4. as I said Disney and Comcast could agree to split the assets between them as Disney's main interest are Marvel, Episode 4, and the Avatar Sequels
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 8:16:16 GMT -5
Disney's got the counter offer set up. Doesn't seem like they're interested in the rumoured splitting of assets. $71.3 billion in cash and stocks. t.co/e0ZP8UBYt9
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:27:13 GMT -5
Disney's got the counter offer set up. Doesn't seem like they're interested in the rumoured splitting of assets. $71.3 billion in cash and stocks. t.co/e0ZP8UBYt9Wow. And Disney's actually tossing a few billion overseas to maybe take over Sky News in the UK, so I *kinda* saw that as maybe them veering their eyes away from FOX for the moment. Nope.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 20, 2018 8:30:44 GMT -5
Comcast gonna have to break the bank into near debt if they want to keep fighting.
Disney will make all this money back in no time.
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Post by Ganon83 on Jun 20, 2018 8:54:57 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if Murdoch gives up Sky or really any of his other news sources.
Another part of this that will be interesting is that FOX is also selling off its regional sports networks. What are either NBC Sports or ESPN going to do with them?
Also if the rumor is true and that Comcast suggested selling off individual properties, maybe they end up making a deal with Disney where they give them OG Star Wars and both the FOX Marvel properties and Hulk while keeping everything else. For consumers this might be the best possible outcome.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 9:18:11 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if Murdoch gives up Sky or really any of his other news sources. The deal Disney agreed to at the time was for their stake in BSkyB which also includes Sky News since Fox seems to want to pass that for some reason. That part of the whole deal seems complicated because at one point they wanted all of BSkyB but probably know full well the British Government’ll be pressured into not passing it despite...well, let’s just say there’s a history in our British media we can’t really discuss here.
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Post by Hakumental on Jun 20, 2018 9:30:11 GMT -5
Bloomberg updated a few minutes ago that FOX accepted Disney's new bid. As mixed as my feelings are, I DO love seeing Comcast get kicked right square in the balls.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 9:40:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I didn't think FOX were ever going to accept any Comcast bid. Not because of the amount but because Disney's business strategy has always relied on building trust between companies and being first in line to buy out things if the opportunity comes up.
Lucasfilm had a relationship with Disney for years, the Children's Television Workshop's had a relationship with Disney for years and importantly for this discussion, Fox has had ties with Disney with this new Avatar park, Eisner almost getting the rights to Alien for a ride and even Marvel TV's association in making stuff like Legion happen. Eisner almost messed up the relationship with Pixar to make them go elsewhere and that's one of popular culture's greatest What if Scenarios.
Comcast haven't worked with Fox, thus shareholders don't know Comcast and won't benefit as much in the long or short term. Heck, Fox has a stronger relationship with Time Warner than they do with Comcast with American Dad and Family Guy reruns on Adult Swim.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 20, 2018 12:51:26 GMT -5
In a roundabout way, Avi Arad is making Fox stupid rich. If he hadn't brokered those asinine deals giving them infinite rights to Marvel assets, Disney probably wouldn't be fighting this hard.
Anyway, I'm rooting for Disney. I literally don't care about monopolies or what this means for the entertainment industry or whatever. I'm just a working schmuck. None of that effects me. Know what does effect me? Getting to see a GOOD Fantastic Four movie.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 20, 2018 12:57:28 GMT -5
as I said the first time this came up you can complain about monopolized megacorporations and there is a reason to be worried about that... but Fox was selling.
The only people that were going to be buying were people like Comcast and Disney... and Disney is absolutely the lesser evil here.
and sometimes the lesser evil is the only good option.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 13:08:10 GMT -5
as I said the first time this came up you can complain about monopolized megacorporations and there is a reason to be worried about that... but Fox was selling. It does feel like you've said this a lot. Understandable but still lol. To add context to this for people who don't know, Fox is essentially getting rid of everything EXCEPT the Fox Network, the sports networks and Fox News. The regional sports networks, FX and FXX, the TV and film production arms, their percentage in Hulu, their percentage of BSkyB, a tonne of IPs mostly because those aren't making the same reliable money that Fox, Fox Sports and Fox News are and have been for years. This is pretty much the equivalent of someone selling a friend most of their possessions and keeping the basics to make things more clearcut. Or to buy the rights to Smackdown for $1bn a year for 5 years, whichever one makes a better analogy.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 20, 2018 13:16:41 GMT -5
Better Disney than Comcast.
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Post by schizo on Jun 20, 2018 13:18:58 GMT -5
Good, the reality of the X-Men being a part of the MCU is looking better and better
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 20, 2018 13:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 13:24:41 GMT -5
It is just coming down to who is willing to go damn nere broke to get Fox at this rate WELL THEN
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 20, 2018 16:45:15 GMT -5
To add context to this for people who don't know, Fox is essentially getting rid of everything EXCEPT the Fox Network, the sports networks and Fox News. The regional sports networks, FX and FXX, the TV and film production arms, their percentage in Hulu, their percentage of BSkyB, a tonne of IPs mostly because those aren't making the same reliable money that Fox, Fox Sports and Fox News are and have been for years. I have to wonder...we know Disney has been planning their own Netflix-style streaming service in the future. Even if you take the Marvel and Star Wars stuff out of the equation, and even if you take those other 5-10 major properties out (stuff like Simpsons, Aliens, etc), this is a massive boon to Disney in the effort to see that service realized. The Fox film and television library alone is absolutely massive. I think this would leave only Warner Bros with a larger library, and maybe not even then.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2018 17:01:31 GMT -5
To add context to this for people who don't know, Fox is essentially getting rid of everything EXCEPT the Fox Network, the sports networks and Fox News. The regional sports networks, FX and FXX, the TV and film production arms, their percentage in Hulu, their percentage of BSkyB, a tonne of IPs mostly because those aren't making the same reliable money that Fox, Fox Sports and Fox News are and have been for years. I have to wonder...we know Disney has been planning their own Netflix-style streaming service in the future. Even if you take the Marvel and Star Wars stuff out of the equation, and even if you take those other 5-10 major properties out (stuff like Simpsons, Aliens, etc), this is a massive boon to Disney in the effort to see that service realized. The Fox film and television library alone is absolutely massive. I think this would leave only Warner Bros with a larger library, and maybe not even then. And all of it, you also have to keep in mind, fills the gaps they've wanted to try and fill in their portfolio for years. Iger came out during when the announcement was first out saying they wanted to do more adult content and wasn't going to tone stuff down if it made money (referencing to Deadpool in particular) so I'd say having 21st Century Fox be the new Miramax in a way would fill that need. Heck, if the Netflix style service isn't available to launch internationally yet, Sky as a service has their streaming so having a bigger stake in that probably allows Disney to put content out for subscribers helps potentially boost subscribers to that before you figure that stuff out.
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