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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 17, 2018 22:33:43 GMT -5
If there is a legit criticism,it once again comes down to Brock. Strowman should kill him at Summerslam, and then be the champ where all the heels have to try a bunch of sneaky stuff to take him down, like a modern day Hogan almost. Having him kill the roster, just to have Brock F5 him once would be brutal. They wouldn’t possibly have Braun fail his cash in, not after Baron failed his, they’re not doing it two years in a row.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 22:34:05 GMT -5
I think its more of the fact that this company is so incredibly stupid at this point that Braun winning MITB is the only thing they can think of to give Braun the title. The guy should've been in Roman's spot and won it already. Hell, he shouldn't have even been in the match, he should've been facing Brock and beat him at this show if Brock gave a f***. People will be happy when he wins it but he was the last guy who actually needed the briefcase. Idk, this way he wins and he doesn't pin anyone and everyone kind of takes out each other to the point well Braun was able to overcome and win, Im not mad with this narrative or outcome A ton of OTHER DUMB SHIT pissed me off, this wasnt in there I'll be happy when he wins the title but having MITB on him is a waste, akin to when Cena or hell.. Bliss tonight had it. They'll get their shots already, who else could challenge brock except roman. A lot of potential there now down the drain.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jun 17, 2018 22:34:08 GMT -5
I got no issue with it. It'd be one thing if he didn't look or execute the part, or wasn't over with the fans, but he does all three.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 17, 2018 22:34:49 GMT -5
It's impressive how quickly the board hivemind gets blamed for a critique of a booking decision. Im not even trying to go all "hivemind" because I hate that notion, everyone has their own opinions and are free to them, but lord this just doesnt even seem to be that big of a deal and everyone is making it out to be that it was the worst thing to happen tonight and Braun is suddenly awful Like Im more wondering where the hell it came from.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 17, 2018 22:35:54 GMT -5
At this point, you know....we have no right to complain about 50/50 booking anymore. Anytime someone's booked to look strong, we have to cut the bloom off the tall flower, but then we bitch when no one's seen as special. It's like....what the f*** do you want? Shit you're right, there's only two ways to book people. Either they unspectacularly trade wins or they shrug off multi-man beat-downs and single-handedly defeat the entire tag team division. There are no other options than that, thread over, everyone pack it up. We're just impossible to please I guess. What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 17, 2018 22:36:28 GMT -5
Ya'll need to stop, you act like Braun wasn't laid out multiple times in the match and everyone wasnt also kicking the shit out of everyone else. Yeah he won but other factors were included. This Board needs to stop being so negative all the time when it comes to every result, I can agree with a lot of the stuff being bullshit but this is grasping at straws. This is the reverse Roman for you because I don't see it stopping as long as Braun keeps getting booked 5 notches above everyone else To me it's not at that point yet. If he cashes in and loses to Brock then what? Then everyone is pissed and they "Arent taking Braun seriously" I just have to say there has to be a line somewhere, we should be rooting for this Brock shit to end, not that Braun suddenly sucks.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 17, 2018 22:38:05 GMT -5
Shit you're right, there's only two ways to book people. Either they unspectacularly trade wins or they shrug off multi-man beat-downs and single-handedly defeat the entire tag team division. There are no other options than that, thread over, everyone pack it up. We're just impossible to please I guess. What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him. People would have rather a Smackdown person won it and challenged AJ But barring BS, I dont think anyone beats him at this point and cashes in either
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jun 17, 2018 22:38:30 GMT -5
Braun isn’t awful. He just didn’t need this. To that point, guys like Finn and Kofi DID need it. The company has beat some guys into the ground to the point that MITB could be their saving grace, so a made man like Braun getting it makes no sense.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 17, 2018 22:38:34 GMT -5
Shit you're right, there's only two ways to book people. Either they unspectacularly trade wins or they shrug off multi-man beat-downs and single-handedly defeat the entire tag team division. There are no other options than that, thread over, everyone pack it up. We're just impossible to please I guess. What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him. You know Smackdown's got a world title and the winner can only challenge their brand's champion, right? They could have easily lined up a challenger for AJ. Could have used New Day wanting to see Kofi rise to the top as a story I have legitimately been craving for years, could have given Rusev that shot up to the main event, could have set up AJ/Joe in WWE which I'm sure would be a f***ing blast. Could have done a ton of things. I don't know why this has to be about Brock at all and I also don't know what Brock has to do with anything because I'm fine with Braun I just want him to be toned down a bit. He can be strong and destroy stuff he just doesn't need to have a Starman waiting to hit Select with and become invincible through.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 17, 2018 22:39:00 GMT -5
Until the crowd turns on him...WWE is doing something right with him.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jun 17, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
I haven't turned on Braun at all, but like
There's no f***ing way that the 50 ft. tall hulking behemoth that could eat a whole family in .4 seconds should be holding the briefcase. He's the one that should be getting cashed in on, not holding the thing.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jun 17, 2018 22:39:44 GMT -5
Shit you're right, there's only two ways to book people. Either they unspectacularly trade wins or they shrug off multi-man beat-downs and single-handedly defeat the entire tag team division. There are no other options than that, thread over, everyone pack it up. We're just impossible to please I guess. What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him. Yeah, but Miz, Rusev, Joe and Kofi are on SmackDown. AJ ain’t “killing” anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 22:40:26 GMT -5
And so it begins. We complain about 50/50 booking, the same stuff always happening, them not fully committing to anyone, and now, let's take Braun down a few pegs, so he can be the same as everyone else.Straight up... Yall need to stop this "so it begins" crap that we've seen in multiple threads. You need to stop acting like we're the ones in the wrong here simply because Strowman is a powerful face and he's got cheers behind him and he's always winning matches. That's ridiculous. The reality of the situation is that even the best guys on the roster have weaknesses that are exploited which help them become faces and these are the most popular faces. We're pissed because of how strong he is and if the guy had weaknesses, and still won, there wouldn't be any issues. That's something a lot of yall aren't understanding. I'm going to break it down. Look at these other top stars. Daniel Bryan - He's not one of the biggest guys, not the strongest and he's constantly being dominated in his matches by bigger guys. He gets by considering his strengths but his weaknesses are highlighted. Let alone the fact that his injuries are often commented on in matches. He's been outsmarted multiple times by heels as well. AJ Styles - He's not one of the biggest guys nor the strongest guys either and multiple times the guy's beaten down, again, by larger guys. If not that, as seen with this Nakamura feud, Styles as a face has a problem with not using his "killer edge" to do what needs to be done. That's how he beat Nakamura tonight, he said "f*** it I'm doing it" and won the match. His weaknesses are shown. Steve Austin - He wasn't fast, he wasn't strong, he wasn't the most technical and he wasn't the biggest. He was the toughest and he did what it took to win the matches. His weaknesses are heavily shown. HBK - He wasn't the biggest, he wasn't the strongest, he was the most agile and gifted in the ring and that allowed him to get the win in matches. Most of the time when he was beaten guys outright beat him down to their strength and/or tricks. He was smaller than most. Undertaker - Taker was the biggest but his weaknesses were his speed and lack of technical skill in the ring. You get a smaller guy in there who could abuse him, and abuse the fact that he does sell most of the time, he just has a large recovery time, he could be beaten. and... Roman Reigns - Roman isn't the biggest guy, multiple guys are wearing him down in his matches. He's not the fastest guy. He's tough and he's got strength but his weaknesses are heavily shown. An example is the Rollins match. Rollins and his speed, technique and cardio were wearing down Reigns. His weaknesses are shown. Here's the issue with Braun. Strowman is the biggest guy. Strowman is the strongest guy. Strowman is the guy with the most defense. Strowman is a fast big guy shown to outrun Cruiserweights multiple times. Strowman is a guy who doesn't have any stamina issues doing what he needs to do. Strowman is a smart guy given he's outsmarted guys like The Miz multiple times. Strowman always utilizes his killer instinct given he's always destroying anyone who comes his way as evident in this match. That is f***ing overpowered. You can't beat anyone like that unless you're Lesnar who's someone who has all of these attributes himself, he's just been doing it longer. It doesn't matter how over somebody is because if you're booked like this, with no weaknesses, it's a damn problem. 6 talented guys teamed up on this man multiple times tonight and Strowman beat them. Now, all of a sudden this is ok simply because the guy is over, wins matches and his booking isn't 50/50? If you and anyone else can't see that then that's on you but there's a clear issue here. There's a way to book someone with weaknesses and still have them win matches and be over with the crowd. That's how great stars are born. Nobody in this company's history needs to be gifted with that many advantages or else you get an outrage. If not even the greats of this company do that? Then he doesn't need to do it.
This is a problem. I don't care if yall like Strowman because it's a problem.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2018 22:40:35 GMT -5
That man has spammed MissingNo Rare Candys. He's a Mewtwo Level 99 while everyone else is a Pidgy level 5
Like damn bro Stop. This is why people can't take the WWE Threads seriously, this is uber Hyperbole. Twas a joke
But don't let your past come back to bite you when talking about hyperbole
Once again i'm not saying I hate Braun but there's a big difference between a dude who is so OP he beats on everyone vs someone who has been a nice streak
His been killing dudes since before Mania. He finished what was left of the tag division, won the tag titles by himself, won GRR, and has been beating people black and blue since then
If this was Roman you'd be going ballistic. Yes, he's popular and Roman is not but that doesn't mean you can't call out something for being way OP
My basic point is with all that said, he didn't need the MITB at all
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 17, 2018 22:41:17 GMT -5
What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him. You know Smackdown's got a world title and the winner can only challenge their brand's champion, right? They could have easily lined up a challenger for AJ. Could have used New Day wanting to see Kofi rise to the top as a story I have legitimately been craving for years, could have given Rusev that shot up to the main event, could have set up AJ/Joe in WWE which I'm sure would be a f***ing blast. Could have done a ton of things. I don't know why this has to be about Brock at all. Kofi's a tag team guy. Period. Put Big E in there, we can talk, but Kofi's a non-starter, mid-card lifer. Point blank, in no world is giving your most over face a guaranteed title shot a bad idea. And that's what Braun is. He's the most over guy on the roster with the most momentum. Strap him up.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 17, 2018 22:42:53 GMT -5
And so it begins. We complain about 50/50 booking, the same stuff always happening, them not fully committing to anyone, and now, let's take Braun down a few pegs, so he can be the same as everyone else. I LIKE BRAUN. I do. I like the idea of him being champion. I. Am. Not. Turning. On. Him. That does not mean I can't call them out when they do stupid shit involving him. This was stupid shit. They gave him Money in the Bank when he has absolutely zero to gain from having it all while having him bulldoze seven guys, who were all dogpiling him at every possible opportunity, while never even looking winded. Maybe it worked for you but to me they just threw seven guys and the chance to make someone with the briefcase into a dumpster to prop up someone who doesn't need it. But if the end goal is making him champion, why is giving him the case the wrong move? For everything you're saying about giving it to supposedly prop up someone who needs it more, shouldn't the focus be on the guy who could possibly be the biggest success holding the belt? Plus how many guys have actually been made with a MITB case win? It's more often we see these guys flounder and eventually fall back down the card afterwards.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 17, 2018 22:43:15 GMT -5
What would you have done? Who SHOULD have won that match, that doesn't end in "Brock kills them?" Because I'm gonna spoil all of them for you right now. Miz? Brock kills him. Roode? Brock kills him. Finn? Brock kills him. Joe? Brock kills him. Owen? Brock kills him. Rusev? Brock kills him. Kofi? Oh, you better believe Brock kills him. We want a new champion. This is how we get him. Yeah, but Miz, Rusev, Joe and Kofi are on SmackDown. AJ ain’t “killing” anyone. Kofi, lifelong mid-card tag team guy. No point. Rusev. Listen, I love the guy, but clearly someone on high doesn't see him as a star. Miz is probably just treading water until he can be IC champ again. And Joe, he'll get his shot at AJ, it's inevitable. Braun is, point blank, the most over face they have. Play the hot hand.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 17, 2018 22:43:17 GMT -5
Know who's being booked pretty strong right now and without MASSIVE HIVE MIND SMARK IMPOSSIBILITY BETRAYAL by the board at large? Seth and AJ. Both are being positioned really strongly as top faces on their brands and have title matches that they take a lot of punishment in and come out on top of, as per WWE's formula. But they show way more vulnerability in the process of it and don't generally have the capacity to throw three guys off of them at once and go to town. Nobody's begging them to lose because it's not just about losing matches, it's about coming off like they have some kind of vulnerability and like they're even kind of human. Seth had his amazing iron man show in that gauntlet match, and lost that match in the end. Powerful, crazy, but defeatable. People can look strong and if someone can't understand even the barest storytelling nuance between "strong" and "invincinble" then I don't know what to say but this whole topic of discussion is just a waste of time.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Jun 17, 2018 22:43:18 GMT -5
He's a garbage wrestler that they book as a god. He f***ing sucks and always has. yup booked as a god who loses to brock lesnar, yup definitely booked like a god Lesnar is the only person in the company booked worse than Strowman.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2018 22:44:11 GMT -5
I haven't turned on Braun at all, but like There's no f***ing way that the 50 ft. tall hulking behemoth that could eat a whole family in .4 seconds should be holding the briefcase. He's the one that should be getting cashed in on, not holding the thing. And that's basically the gist of it in a few words that I don't know why people can't get
He's shown he can whoop ass at any moment so why does this dude need MITB
He could have easily won a match later and be booked in a number 1 contender spot if needed be or better yet he demands a title match because he's been smashing everyone in the ground for months
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