riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 19, 2019 1:03:33 GMT -5
That needs to change. If that really is the case the league needs to completely shut down, restructure contracts, organize teams to be better competitively, and a situation like Durant going to a championship ready team should be banned. It's a joke as to what this league has become in terms of defense and offensive capabilities. Never happening GS built their team properly and was able to jump on a prone Durant. You don't have to like it, but it happened and it was never against the rules They drafted 3 HOF players and was able to sign another one
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 19, 2019 1:06:23 GMT -5
Never happening GS built their team properly and was able to jump on a prone Durant. You don't have to like it, but it happened and it was never against the rules They drafted 3 HOF players and was able to sign another one
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past. Did the league make them draft well and manage their cap better than other teams? Them stepping into halt any of those things would cause an eternal league shutdown.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 19, 2019 1:12:32 GMT -5
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past. Did the league make them draft well and manage their cap better than other teams? Them stepping into halt any of those things would cause an eternal league shutdown. No, if you draft well that's fine. Drafting well isn't the issue. It's allowing Kevin DuRant to join a team that was 73-9 without him, won a championship prior without him, and didn't really need him. The that is that the league allowed the acquisition to happen without question or halting it just screamed(to me at least) wanting a superteam. They haven't had a dominant team for years and let's be honest. Warriors= ratings, merchandise sales, commercials, and more eyes to the product to their style of play. The league has ceased being a competitive sport and is more about favoring the flashy big market team. As far as the cap is concerned I think there needs to be a limit. In other words, once guys like say a Curry or Klay receive a max contract, then that's it. No other high caliber talent can join that roster. They're forced to go elsewhere to make a name for themselves and help another team elevate to the next level.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 19, 2019 1:14:19 GMT -5
Never happening GS built their team properly and was able to jump on a prone Durant. You don't have to like it, but it happened and it was never against the rules They drafted 3 HOF players and was able to sign another one
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past. But Golden State drafted right. It's not the league rigging it, it was Golden State taking advantage of players falling to them. This dynasty was built on Golden State drafting right, and being ahead of the rest of the NBA in terms of building an offense that can shoot from anywhere. It's no different from the Mavericks being ahead of the rest of the league, and working a deal with the Bucks to get Dirk, and using part of that deal to get Steve Nash. The Mavericks saw Dirk as a guy that would ultimately be a big time player, and they took the chance on him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 1:16:31 GMT -5
Never happening GS built their team properly and was able to jump on a prone Durant. You don't have to like it, but it happened and it was never against the rules They drafted 3 HOF players and was able to sign another one
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past. That makes no sense
You want to punish teams for drafting well because you don't like that they are great. You talking about the past, but you're getting this is the way it was done in the past. You get lucky in the draft and hopefully get a star or two and fill out the rest through smart signings
Championship teams
Bulls drafted MJ and Pippen Pistons drafted Isiah and Dumars Boston drafted Bird and McHale Lakers drafted Magic and Worthy
Very good teams Orlando drafted Shaq and Penny Seattle drafted Gary and Kemp Utah drafted Stockton and Malone
I can keep going but yeah this isn't a new phenomenon. GS lucked into a once in a life time opportunity where there best player in Steph was on a very cheap contract, Klay contract was moderate and Draymond got close to the max. Durant fell into their lap because they had the cap space to make it happen thanks to luck and building the team the right way
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 1:17:49 GMT -5
Did the league make them draft well and manage their cap better than other teams? Them stepping into halt any of those things would cause an eternal league shutdown. No, if you draft well that's fine. Drafting well isn't the issue. It's allowing Kevin DuRant to join a team that was 73-9 without him, won a championship prior without him, and didn't really need him. The that is that the league allowed the acquisition to happen without question or halting it just screamed(to me at least) wanting a superteam. They haven't had a dominant team for years and let's be honest. Warriors= ratings, merchandise sales, commercials, and more eyes to the product to their style of play. The league has ceased being a competitive sport and is more about favoring the flashy big market team. As far as the cap is concerned I think there needs to be a limit. In other words, once guys like say a Curry or Klay receive a max contract, then that's it. No other high caliber talent can join that roster. They're forced to go elsewhere to make a name for themselves and help another team elevate to the next level.Curry was not on a max contract so your logic is flawed
That's what a hard cap is for
A team can have 2 max contracts on a team and one close to it but then that's when you get into going over the cap and having to sign people using the min and mid level exception. This shit isn't easy which is why you draft correctly and can be better served to do better on the financials side
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 19, 2019 1:20:50 GMT -5
You're right, I definitely don't like it. Obviously it wasn't against the rules but it should've never happened. The fact that it did, for me is proof that the league was desperate for another Lakers or Chicago like dominant team. When push comes to shove I feel the league has moved away from what made it great in the past. That makes no sense You want to punish teams for drafting well because you don't like that they are great. You talking about the past, but you're getting this is the way it was done in the past. You get lucky in the draft and hopefully get a star or two and fill out the rest through smart signings Championship teams Bulls drafted MJ and Pippen Pistons drafted Isiah and Dumars Boston drafted Bird and McHale Lakers drafted Magic and Worthy Very good teams Orlando drafted Shaq and Penny Seattle drafted Gary and Kemp Utah drafted Stockton and Malone I can keep going but yeah this isn't a new phenomenon. GS lucked into a once in a life time opportunity where there best player in Steph was on a very cheap contract, Klay contract was moderate and Draymond got close to the max. Durant fell into their lap because they had the cap space to make it happen thanks to luck and building the team the right way
As I said, drafting well is fine and good. That isn't the issue. One more time. Allowing Durant to join an already elite championship team shouldn't have been allowed at all. They didn't need him and adding him just eliminated any and all competition. The league as I said hasn't had a dominant championship team for a number of years, there hasn't been a three-peat in a while either, and the fact that the Warriors might be on the verge of a three-peat just screams rigged to me. I don't know how else to explain it except it's time that the league examines everything about itself, its talent level, and how do they go about changing the reality of the game. My idea is pretty simple. Force one or two players to receive the max, if one or both accepts that offer then someone has to leave that team. No player should be allowed to simply sign on a team for a cheap contract when their skills don't reflect that particular contract. That forces players like Durant to go to a team that would absolutely need him and he could help elevate them in the process.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 19, 2019 1:22:16 GMT -5
No, if you draft well that's fine. Drafting well isn't the issue. It's allowing Kevin DuRant to join a team that was 73-9 without him, won a championship prior without him, and didn't really need him. The that is that the league allowed the acquisition to happen without question or halting it just screamed(to me at least) wanting a superteam. They haven't had a dominant team for years and let's be honest. Warriors= ratings, merchandise sales, commercials, and more eyes to the product to their style of play. The league has ceased being a competitive sport and is more about favoring the flashy big market team. As far as the cap is concerned I think there needs to be a limit. In other words, once guys like say a Curry or Klay receive a max contract, then that's it. No other high caliber talent can join that roster. They're forced to go elsewhere to make a name for themselves and help another team elevate to the next level.Curry was not on a max contract so your logic is flawed That's what a hard cap is for A team can have 2 max contracts on a team and one close to it but then that's when you get into going over the cap and having to sign people using the min and mid level exception. This shit isn't easy which is why you draft correctly and can be better served to do better on the financials side
That's what I am saying. Curry or Klay both receive a max then that's it, no other player can go to that team. I don't care how well they manage their cap space. No other high caliber athlete can join that roster. Doing that forces other teams(maybe even the weaker ones) to pursue that missing piece that could elevate them to the next level.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 19, 2019 1:24:56 GMT -5
That makes no sense You want to punish teams for drafting well because you don't like that they are great. You talking about the past, but you're getting this is the way it was done in the past. You get lucky in the draft and hopefully get a star or two and fill out the rest through smart signings Championship teams Bulls drafted MJ and Pippen Pistons drafted Isiah and Dumars Boston drafted Bird and McHale Lakers drafted Magic and Worthy Very good teams Orlando drafted Shaq and Penny Seattle drafted Gary and Kemp Utah drafted Stockton and Malone I can keep going but yeah this isn't a new phenomenon. GS lucked into a once in a life time opportunity where there best player in Steph was on a very cheap contract, Klay contract was moderate and Draymond got close to the max. Durant fell into their lap because they had the cap space to make it happen thanks to luck and building the team the right way
As I said, drafting well is fine and good. That isn't the issue. One more time. Allowing Durant to join an already elite championship team shouldn't have been allowed at all. They didn't need him and adding him just eliminated any and all competition. The league as I said hasn't had a dominant championship team for a number of years, there hasn't been a three-peat in a while either, and the fact that the Warriors might be on the verge of a three-peat just screams rigged to me. I don't know how else to explain it except it's time that the league examines everything about itself, its talent level, and how do they go about changing the reality of the game. My idea is pretty simple. Force one or two players to receive the max, if one or both accepts that offer then someone has to leave that team. No player should be allowed to simply sign on a team for a cheap contract when their skills don't reflect that particular contract. That forces players like Durant to go to a team that would absolutely need him and he could help elevate them in the process.That would really f*** over the players, big time.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 19, 2019 1:27:45 GMT -5
As I said, drafting well is fine and good. That isn't the issue. One more time. Allowing Durant to join an already elite championship team shouldn't have been allowed at all. They didn't need him and adding him just eliminated any and all competition. The league as I said hasn't had a dominant championship team for a number of years, there hasn't been a three-peat in a while either, and the fact that the Warriors might be on the verge of a three-peat just screams rigged to me. I don't know how else to explain it except it's time that the league examines everything about itself, its talent level, and how do they go about changing the reality of the game. My idea is pretty simple. Force one or two players to receive the max, if one or both accepts that offer then someone has to leave that team. No player should be allowed to simply sign on a team for a cheap contract when their skills don't reflect that particular contract. That forces players like Durant to go to a team that would absolutely need him and he could help elevate them in the process.That would really f*** over the players, big time. Then so be it. Maybe it'll actually wake the league up and force them to actually make it competitive for a change.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 1:30:29 GMT -5
Curry was not on a max contract so your logic is flawed That's what a hard cap is for A team can have 2 max contracts on a team and one close to it but then that's when you get into going over the cap and having to sign people using the min and mid level exception. This shit isn't easy which is why you draft correctly and can be better served to do better on the financials side
That's what I am saying. Curry or Klay both receive a max then that's it, no other player can go to that team. I don't care how well they manage their cap space. No other high caliber athlete can join that roster. Doing that forces other teams(maybe even the weaker ones) to pursue that missing piece that could elevate them to the next level. That's still dumb
If you have cap space you can sign who ever you want
If in theory they had Klay, Draymond, and Steph all signed to max contracts and couldn't afford Durant in free agency, there is nothing stopping him from taking the league minimum or a mid level exception like Boogie did this year
Would the league like one of their most marketable players selling himself way short for $5 million dollars? No, but there is nothing they could do about it.
You're asking for something unattainable. "High caliber player" is not something that you can easily quantify and is very opinion based
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 1:33:58 GMT -5
As I said, drafting well is fine and good. That isn't the issue. One more time. Allowing Durant to join an already elite championship team shouldn't have been allowed at all. They didn't need him and adding him just eliminated any and all competition. The league as I said hasn't had a dominant championship team for a number of years, there hasn't been a three-peat in a while either, and the fact that the Warriors might be on the verge of a three-peat just screams rigged to me. I don't know how else to explain it except it's time that the league examines everything about itself, its talent level, and how do they go about changing the reality of the game. My idea is pretty simple. Force one or two players to receive the max, if one or both accepts that offer then someone has to leave that team. No player should be allowed to simply sign on a team for a cheap contract when their skills don't reflect that particular contract. That forces players like Durant to go to a team that would absolutely need him and he could help elevate them in the process.That would really f*** over the players, big time. That's what the hard cap is for tho
A team can have as much payroll they want as long as they are willing to pay the tax which a lot of owners aren't
Gilbert in Cleveland had the most expensive team in history with I think their cap reaching over $200 million. He had to add like another $100 million due to the luxury tax
NBA owners want to win championships but they aren't going that far unless you can make up the numbers and really no one in the NBA really could. Look at OKC, the owner was called cheap when he gave big contracts to Durant and Wesbrook but had to decide on Ibaka or Harden as a choice because he couldn't afford both of them
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 1:47:22 GMT -5
That makes no sense You want to punish teams for drafting well because you don't like that they are great. You talking about the past, but you're getting this is the way it was done in the past. You get lucky in the draft and hopefully get a star or two and fill out the rest through smart signings Championship teams Bulls drafted MJ and Pippen Pistons drafted Isiah and Dumars Boston drafted Bird and McHale Lakers drafted Magic and Worthy Very good teams Orlando drafted Shaq and Penny Seattle drafted Gary and Kemp Utah drafted Stockton and Malone I can keep going but yeah this isn't a new phenomenon. GS lucked into a once in a life time opportunity where there best player in Steph was on a very cheap contract, Klay contract was moderate and Draymond got close to the max. Durant fell into their lap because they had the cap space to make it happen thanks to luck and building the team the right way
As I said, drafting well is fine and good. That isn't the issue. One more time. Allowing Durant to join an already elite championship team shouldn't have been allowed at all. They didn't need him and adding him just eliminated any and all competition. The league as I said hasn't had a dominant championship team for a number of years, there hasn't been a three-peat in a while either, and the fact that the Warriors might be on the verge of a three-peat just screams rigged to me. I don't know how else to explain it except it's time that the league examines everything about itself, its talent level, and how do they go about changing the reality of the game. My idea is pretty simple. Force one or two players to receive the max, if one or both accepts that offer then someone has to leave that team. No player should be allowed to simply sign on a team for a cheap contract when their skills don't reflect that particular contract. That forces players like Durant to go to a team that would absolutely need him and he could help elevate them in the process. Rigged is just a fan conspiracy
Point blank truth is KD would not be on GS if Harrison Barnes knocked down open jump shots. Warriors had about $25 million in cap space and that was going to do to Barnes but it didn't because he missed the shots they needed him to make. KD took the 1 year deal for his market value so he didn't sign on the cheap either because if he did the NBPLA would have jumped in screaming foul because he's setting a bad trend for the market
KD has gotten his market value every year he has re-signed with the Warriors and the only reason he never signed a long term deal was because they didn't have his bird rights so they couldn't offer him a super max which is what he wanted so he had to wait 4 years to get that.
You can't force a player to leave a team. That's what the hard cap is for. It isn't free agency if you put a bogus restriction on it, "you can't go there you're too good". The Warriors can't afford their big 4 and the clock is ticking. Both Klay and KD are free agents this year and even if both guys took $10 mill per year less the team cap is still f***ed with Draymond coming up next year after
Hard cap is why these situations are in place because you get charged taxes and an owner can only justify for so long paying $75-$100 million extra on top of a potential $200 million payroll. KD going to the Warriors was just a perfect storm of a team that dominant actually having cap and nothing more
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2019 4:03:49 GMT -5
Eh, I just believe they've benefitted from soft defense, moving screens, and wide open threes. That's why I can't say that I'm sold on them because the era of defense is lacking. The talent level is too lopsided and either the league needs to find a way to make every team competitive, or simply just close it down completely. It's quite embarrassing in my opinion. This era has regulated defense almost to death. But not as bad as the other top sports (the NFL has outlawed defending the pass, and the MLB has juiced the ball league-wide). Also, the Warriors are really good. They have two of the top 2 deep shooters ever, they have the best ball movement in the game, and that was even before they added a top 3 player in the game. It's really hard to legislate parity in a league where the most impactful players (who can change the game by themselves) are largely outnumbered by the number if teams in the league. And the players intermingle and group up themselves. And also the players have all the power, but that kinda ties in with them being game-changers. It's kinda like trying to legislate competition in women's tennis when Serena was dominant. You can try, but the only effective way would be to essentially target them individually and be like "Every team named Warriors starts the game down 28-0." Which is even more rigged than it is now.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 10:58:10 GMT -5
Denver are really nuggets, the Owen Hart type of nugget, they don’t deserve to be on the playoffs.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 11:52:40 GMT -5
Denver are really nuggets, the Owen Hart type of nugget, they don’t deserve to be on the playoffs. They are the West version of the Joe Johnson ATL Hawks
Murray and Harris are good but not great players and Millsap hasn't been what they thought he was going to be for that $30 million
If they get eliminated by the Spurs I could see them going back after Kevin Love and trading Milsap expiring contract. I threw out the AD trade before which is very risky but they have pieces to make a trade that would involve either Harris/Murray and Porter Jr
Bradley Beal will be a target for them as well
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 18:17:00 GMT -5
SAS claims he’s hearing rumblings that Pat Riley might return to the Lakers to run the team. Holy shit if true.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 18:18:41 GMT -5
SAS claims he’s hearing rumblings that Pat Riley might return to the Lakers to run the team. Holy shit if true. Pat already said he isn't interested
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 18:39:44 GMT -5
SAS claims he’s hearing rumblings that Pat Riley might return to the Lakers to run the team. Holy shit if true. Pat already said he isn't interested Well time to get down on both knees and beg Jerry, or threaten to fire his son.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 19, 2019 18:52:12 GMT -5
Pat already said he isn't interested Well time to get down on both knees and beg Jerry, or threaten to fire his son. Magic did the Lakers bad and left them in an even more f***ed up position
Getting Pat would be a great get because he knows exactly how to handle LeBron and he has the stability to bring players to L.A. like how he brought them to Miami
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