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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 21, 2019 23:41:15 GMT -5
I still think Kawhi stays in Toronto
Lakers I think overpay for someone like Middleton who is a good piece but not to be the 2nd best player on a L.A. team looking for a title
They don't want to make the mistakes they made with Russell and Randle but with LeBron you have to embrace you are good now and f***ed 4-5 years after he leaves
Broussard and VC said that living in Toronto was tough from a psychological standpoint, because something as stupid as the food as the channel can throw someone off. Leonard would also be the first superstar that would want to stay, something VC, McGrady, and Bosh didn’t want to do. Masai Ujiri gambled his career by doing this trade. We’re on unknown territory here. Also does Kawhi really wants to be stuck with a declining Kyle Lowry during Leonard’s prime years? Luckily, Lowry isn't the 2nd best player on the team anymore
Siakim and Kawhi guarding the perimeter is a f***ing nightmare. Pascal is legit becoming a very great player before our eyes. Lowry is the 3rd best player on that team and I still say they should ship him for Mike Conley. Yes, COnley has an insane contract for 2 more years I think but that's looking Spurs East in Toronto if they can get him and pair him with Pascal, Green, Leonard and resign Gasol
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 21, 2019 23:44:01 GMT -5
Man, OKC is going to make for an interesting 30 for 30 one day. Westbrook will soon have that moment where he will reach out to KD and apologize, I predict that in three years, Westbrook takes a lesser deal to beg Durant back just to get a whiff at a finals. I don't think Westbrook's ego will ever allow that. Honest truth is I think his stranglehold on the franchise is reminding me a lot of Kobe's in his latter years post-injury. The FO is going to keep rewarding him for being their loyal star. If he and PG13 eventually end up having a breakdown on the team spinning on it's wheels I see the FO trading Paul George before they would Westbrook. They can't trade Westbrook
He's their guy. Unless he outright shits on the city, they can't force a trade of him plus I think he has a no trade cluase so that kills that anyway. For better or worse they are going to have to make the combo of George/Westbrook/Adams work and find another star potentially
The team is constructed fine imo and they low key could been a WCF final team because they play great defense but they have no shooting. They are going to have to get shooters
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2019 1:04:07 GMT -5
He was drafted in 09, that means he was probably either in middle school or high school when D’Antoni, Nash, and Dirk made the game softer with more emphasis on shooting. He should’ve developed those skills then not just focus on one area. He changed and evolved too late. His game should’ve been more like Kevin Love since the beginning. The thing is there is nothing wrong with focusing on your strength but you have to put in the work to learn Kevin Love didn't get a 3 point shot until his 3rd season, Brook Lopez is a f***ing gunner when he just started shooting 3's like 2 seasons ago, Horford can hit 3's etc Blake didn't need a 3 but he needed a consistent jump shot which he did not have until now.
Seriously, Brook was anchored to the post early in his career. Now, he stays outside the arc on offense a LOT. Marc Gasol made 12 threes his first 8 seasons. DeMarcus Cousins made 11 threes his first 5 seasons. Chris Bosh made 56 threes his first 8 seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge made 24 threes his first 8 seasons. Serge Ibaka made 45 threes his first 5 seasons. Most of these guys started shooting more threes between 2013-2016. Dirk was the exception at the time. Dirk, Rasheed, Troy Murphy those guys were the exception. Even in 08 when Blake was at OU, guys like Amare, AlJeff, Duncan, Boozer, KG, and Brand were dominating post players who pretty much never ventured out further than maybe 20 feet. We can't sit here and act like 2004 was 2016, cuz it just f***in wasn't.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 22, 2019 1:21:09 GMT -5
The thing is there is nothing wrong with focusing on your strength but you have to put in the work to learn Kevin Love didn't get a 3 point shot until his 3rd season, Brook Lopez is a f***ing gunner when he just started shooting 3's like 2 seasons ago, Horford can hit 3's etc Blake didn't need a 3 but he needed a consistent jump shot which he did not have until now.
Seriously, Brook was anchored to the post early in his career. Now, he stays outside the arc on offense a LOT. Marc Gasol made 12 threes his first 8 seasons. DeMarcus Cousins made 11 threes his first 5 seasons. Chris Bosh made 56 threes his first 8 seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge made 24 threes his first 8 seasons. Serge Ibaka made 45 threes his first 5 seasons. Most of these guys started shooting more threes between 2013-2016. Dirk was the exception at the time. Dirk, Rasheed, Troy Murphy those guys were the exception. Even in 08 when Blake was at OU, guys like Amare, AlJeff, Duncan, Boozer, KG, and Brand were dominating post players who pretty much never ventured out further than maybe 20 feet. We can't sit here and act like 2004 was 2016, cuz it just f***in wasn't. Yea, the big man 3 point shot was still rare up until about five seasons ago. Now it is a necessity, but more so it is about doing what you're good and working on the rest. I mean Brook Lopez is taking step back 3's and swishing them. He came into the league as a good low post player and moderate mid range jump shooter which was rare for bigs at the time.
Zion has shown a willingness to shoot the 3 which is good for him but it won't be consistent for at least 3-4 seasons. The midrange game is what needs to make a come back and I think it will or the next few years. A guy like Ben Simmons would be wise to learn it as Giannis has done but the league is stuck on 3's or layups.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2019 1:51:32 GMT -5
Seriously, Brook was anchored to the post early in his career. Now, he stays outside the arc on offense a LOT. Marc Gasol made 12 threes his first 8 seasons. DeMarcus Cousins made 11 threes his first 5 seasons. Chris Bosh made 56 threes his first 8 seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge made 24 threes his first 8 seasons. Serge Ibaka made 45 threes his first 5 seasons. Most of these guys started shooting more threes between 2013-2016. Dirk was the exception at the time. Dirk, Rasheed, Troy Murphy those guys were the exception. Even in 08 when Blake was at OU, guys like Amare, AlJeff, Duncan, Boozer, KG, and Brand were dominating post players who pretty much never ventured out further than maybe 20 feet. We can't sit here and act like 2004 was 2016, cuz it just f***in wasn't. Yea, the big man 3 point shot was still rare up until about five seasons ago. Now it is a necessity, but more so it is about doing what you're good and working on the rest. I mean Brook Lopez is taking step back 3's and swishing them. He came into the league as a good low post player and moderate mid range jump shooter which was rare for bigs at the time.
Zion has shown a willingness to shoot the 3 which is good for him but it won't be consistent for at least 3-4 seasons. The midrange game is what needs to make a come back and I think it will or the next few years. A guy like Ben Simmons would be wise to learn it as Giannis has done but the league is stuck on 3's or layups. There are still a few post player holdovers. Drummond plays on the low block, Gobert, Capela, Dwight, DeAndre Jordan. But most guys come into the league now having a bit of a 3 shot and developing it their first few years. That wasn't the case even a few years ago, much less when Blake was in HS or middle school. The previously mentioned John Collins was drafted in 2017 as a sophomore, and he made exactly 0 threes in college. Versus Mo Bamba or Bol Bol who are legit rim defenders who shoot deep even in college.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 22, 2019 7:10:52 GMT -5
The thing is there is nothing wrong with focusing on your strength but you have to put in the work to learn Kevin Love didn't get a 3 point shot until his 3rd season, Brook Lopez is a f***ing gunner when he just started shooting 3's like 2 seasons ago, Horford can hit 3's etc Blake didn't need a 3 but he needed a consistent jump shot which he did not have until now.
Seriously, Brook was anchored to the post early in his career. Now, he stays outside the arc on offense a LOT. Marc Gasol made 12 threes his first 8 seasons. DeMarcus Cousins made 11 threes his first 5 seasons. Chris Bosh made 56 threes his first 8 seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge made 24 threes his first 8 seasons. Serge Ibaka made 45 threes his first 5 seasons. Most of these guys started shooting more threes between 2013-2016. Dirk was the exception at the time. Dirk, Rasheed, Troy Murphy those guys were the exception. Even in 08 when Blake was at OU, guys like Amare, AlJeff, Duncan, Boozer, KG, and Brand were dominating post players who pretty much never ventured out further than maybe 20 feet. We can't sit here and act like 2004 was 2016, cuz it just f***in wasn't. In 2009 it was changing and Blake came with a set of skills that were becoming obsolete. That lob city shit never got them anywhere.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2019 8:30:39 GMT -5
Seriously, Brook was anchored to the post early in his career. Now, he stays outside the arc on offense a LOT. Marc Gasol made 12 threes his first 8 seasons. DeMarcus Cousins made 11 threes his first 5 seasons. Chris Bosh made 56 threes his first 8 seasons. LaMarcus Aldridge made 24 threes his first 8 seasons. Serge Ibaka made 45 threes his first 5 seasons. Most of these guys started shooting more threes between 2013-2016. Dirk was the exception at the time. Dirk, Rasheed, Troy Murphy those guys were the exception. Even in 08 when Blake was at OU, guys like Amare, AlJeff, Duncan, Boozer, KG, and Brand were dominating post players who pretty much never ventured out further than maybe 20 feet. We can't sit here and act like 2004 was 2016, cuz it just f***in wasn't. In 2009 it was changing and Blake came with a set of skills that were becoming obsolete. That lob city shit never got them anywhere. My god, you could work at ESPN with some of your hot takes at times. Almost all of the guys we've mentioned were still low post players in 2009. The game didn't change for 4-6 more years for a lot of guys. Collins made 0 threes in college and he's a guy currently in his 2nd year, just now developing a 3 ball in 2018 and 2019. You think Blake should have done it 10-12 years ago, and act as if there was no difference between then and now. How many teams were running stretch 4s and 5s in 2008? Plz list more than just Dirk. I already gave you Troy Murphy and Sheed, we got Dirk. Rashard Lewis was more of a 3. VladRad, but he played a lot of 3. Jamison but he was a true 3 and only moved to facilitate Caron in the line-up. Al Harrington, Bargnani, Okur, Villanueva, Boris Diaw even though he played every position was still kind of a big. Even Dirk, between 2007 and 2010 averaged 0.8 made threes a game over 4 seasons. So even the prototype was only doing what Collins is now, as an aspiring stretch big. You had 4 legit bigs in that era who weren't imports who had that game in 08-09. Almost all of the guys who were shooting deep as big, learned it overseas. I very much doubt Blake was finding hs and college coaches who were even inclined to teach him beyond the arc, because so much of the gameplan revolved around him being a star in the paint. It's kinda like expecting the coaches at Tennessee to teach Peyton Manning the option. Nebraska is doing it and dominating. Let's see you put the shoulder down, Peyton.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 22, 2019 10:20:55 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, Ty Lue is getting a second interview with the Lakers.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 22, 2019 13:57:29 GMT -5
Yea, the big man 3 point shot was still rare up until about five seasons ago. Now it is a necessity, but more so it is about doing what you're good and working on the rest. I mean Brook Lopez is taking step back 3's and swishing them. He came into the league as a good low post player and moderate mid range jump shooter which was rare for bigs at the time.
Zion has shown a willingness to shoot the 3 which is good for him but it won't be consistent for at least 3-4 seasons. The midrange game is what needs to make a come back and I think it will or the next few years. A guy like Ben Simmons would be wise to learn it as Giannis has done but the league is stuck on 3's or layups. There are still a few post player holdovers. Drummond plays on the low block, Gobert, Capela, Dwight, DeAndre Jordan. But most guys come into the league now having a bit of a 3 shot and developing it their first few years. That wasn't the case even a few years ago, much less when Blake was in HS or middle school. The previously mentioned John Collins was drafted in 2017 as a sophomore, and he made exactly 0 threes in college. Versus Mo Bamba or Bol Bol who are legit rim defenders who shoot deep even in college. Yea, right now Tacko Fall is the one legit big man in the mold of Drummond, Dwight etc that's coming out in this draft and he probably doesn't crack the 1st round for a variety of reasons
Being athletic is the name of the game at the position right now being a 4/5. Naz Reid a few years ago would have been in the Nerlens Noel archetype of energy guy who blocks and rebounds but he's added a decent 3 point shot in college which helps him tremendously
You shouldn't shot 3's just because you are a big because there is still a spot for legit big men in the NBA but you have to know your role. Ibaka really became less effective in the league once he started shooting 3's exclusively and not blocking shots like he used to, so it's a fine line
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 22, 2019 21:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Apr 22, 2019 22:12:51 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, Ty Lue is getting a second interview with the Lakers. Ty used to play for the Lakers so I am not sure why they are even going through the formality of an interview.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2019 7:38:14 GMT -5
The Kings are still cursed holy shit. I like Luke but I would suspend him until an investigation is done.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2019 7:39:09 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, Ty Lue is getting a second interview with the Lakers. Ty used to play for the Lakers so I am not sure why they are even going through the formality of an interview. Probably to convince to deal with Lebron again Ty has the benefit that while he’s Bron’s friend, he won’t stand for his bullshit and would yell at him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2019 8:26:03 GMT -5
The pistons f***ing suck.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 23, 2019 8:37:46 GMT -5
The pistons f***ing suck. I think the Pistons put themselves in midcard hell. Too good for elite draft picks, not good enough to do anything. I'd argue it's the worst position to be in. At least when you truly suck there's real hope in the draft.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2019 8:53:30 GMT -5
The pistons f***ing suck. I think the Pistons put themselves in midcard hell. Too good for elite draft picks, not good enough to do anything. I'd argue it's the worst position to be in. At least when you truly suck there's real hope in the draft. And they traded a lot of assets for Blake f***ing Griffin...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:08:22 GMT -5
Pacers just to short handed to deal with Boston Good team and good core and with a healthy Oladipo they can do some things Don't know about Nate as a coach tho Nate cannot coach in the playoffs to save his life. A regular season coach, he can get 45-48 victories, but in the postseason, he can get outmatched by almost anything, as his record shows. The pistons f***ing suck. I think the Pistons put themselves in midcard hell. Too good for elite draft picks, not good enough to do anything. I'd argue it's the worst position to be in. At least when you truly suck there's real hope in the draft. It's the absolute worst place to be in, agreed. Indiana was in that spot for a few years, and we got lucky with Paul George, and then managed to leverage a lateral move with Oladipo.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2019 12:13:08 GMT -5
The pistons f***ing suck. I think the Pistons put themselves in midcard hell. Too good for elite draft picks, not good enough to do anything. I'd argue it's the worst position to be in. At least when you truly suck there's real hope in the draft. They're the Hawks of a few years ago
Squeaking into the playoffs every year so you land outside the lottery and have to hope someone drops to you that is a impact player
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2019 13:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Apr 23, 2019 13:21:08 GMT -5
From an organizational standpoint, Phoenix is such a dumpster fire they make the Knicks look like the Warriors by comparison.
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