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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 27, 2018 13:46:45 GMT -5
Nah inspired is pretty accurate... as it implies he had no idea why things happened in the story... or really remembered how shit happened. Wait, you mean Batman didn't shoot somebody in the head? There's one thing that not even Snyder diehards have a legit answer for, when it comes to his Batman. If this is a Batman that has basically been broken by fighting crime to the point where he has no problem killing mooks left and right, why hasn't he killed Joker? If Batman kills, why is Joker still alive? *cut to Snyder on his shit social media platform that he's the only member of* "OK, so, if I had gotten to finish the movie without WB's interference, y'know, my plan was, in Batman Vs Superman Vs Aquaman Vs Ambush Bug, I would have perfectly set it up so that, y'know Robin's costume that Joker had vandalized, right, well, Batman kept it around because, get this, he catches Joker and brings him to the Batcave and holds a gun to the Joker's head and makes Joker put the costume on and he totally bangs him in the costume, BUT IT'S NOT IN A GAY WAY OR NOTHIN', no, he's doing this for revenge, so he's not enjoying it or nothin *snoooooooort* goddamn, this is good shit, so, he's banging him, and it turns out, Robin's alive! Because he's watching it, and he's not into it either, so Batman shoots Robin's pecker off! I LOVE THE FOUNTAINHEAAAAAAAAD!!!" *SNOOOOOOOOORT*
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 27, 2018 14:05:09 GMT -5
...so Batman shoots Robin's pecker off!... I'd pay money to see a movie were Batman shoots Robin's pecker off. At least that would be an original story. I think. I hope.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2018 14:17:07 GMT -5
I liked bvs. Wasn't perfect, but I liked ir. I've generally liked most Snyder movies, even if I am tired of his style these days. I have not watched JL. And likely won't unless his cut is released. Then I'll watch both. As of now I'm burned out on comic,book adaptations for a plethora of reasons. At some point it would be nice if everyone took a step back and looked at all of the studio interference from WB, and placed some blame there where it belongs for the DCEU being what it is. It's well documented. WB are far from blameless, for sure, but equally you cannot underestimate the buffoonery of a man who sees this: And then says "Batman's cool with using guns and killing, he says so in Dark Knight Returns and headshots a guy!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 14:52:05 GMT -5
I liked bvs. Wasn't perfect, but I liked ir. I've generally liked most Snyder movies, even if I am tired of his style these days. I have not watched JL. And likely won't unless his cut is released. Then I'll watch both. As of now I'm burned out on comic,book adaptations for a plethora of reasons. At some point it would be nice if everyone took a step back and looked at all of the studio interference from WB, and placed some blame there where it belongs for the DCEU being what it is. It's well documented. WB are far from blameless, for sure, but equally you cannot underestimate the buffoonery of a man who sees this: And then says "Batman's cool with using guns and killing, he says so in Dark Knight Returns and headshots a guy!" Or for that matter a man who on a whim goes, "Hey, let's kill one of Superman's main supporting characters and turn Luthor into a grinning chucklef*** just because no one will see it coming." The man is just plain not good at his job.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 27, 2018 14:53:36 GMT -5
WB are far from blameless, for sure, but equally you cannot underestimate the buffoonery of a man who sees this: And then says "Batman's cool with using guns and killing, he says so in Dark Knight Returns and headshots a guy!" Or for that matter a man who on a whim goes, "Hey, let's kill one of Superman's main supporting characters and turn Luthor into a grinning chucklef*** just because no one will see it coming." The man is just plain not good at his job. or shoot a five hour movie and not realize that the studio was not going to let him release a 5 hour movie and the theaters would not play a 5 hour movie. and ON TOP OF THAT... still be missing at least 1 full movies worth of context to shit. Snyder was given the opportunity to put the DC universe together... and he failed at it because he doesn't understand how to tell a coherent story or even the characters in even the most basic ways.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2018 16:49:05 GMT -5
Studio interference making the DCEU worse and Zack Snyder being a hack fraud are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 27, 2018 17:09:54 GMT -5
At this point I just want to see it because I know it’s going to be batshit crazy.
It’s not going to be good, that isn’t what I’m holding out hope for. But even for the wrong reasons it’s probably quite the spectacle.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 27, 2018 17:19:44 GMT -5
The biggest thing that pisses me off about Snyder is the lying. Like was mentioned in this thread where he claims that Batman shoots a guy in the head in TDKR.
Show me the page where he does that, you lying hack.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 27, 2018 18:13:34 GMT -5
I realize I am probably in the minority when it comes to this opinion. But I understand what Zack Snyder was attempting to do with Superman in general. He was showing how if Superman were real and in a modern setting how he would be received as a whole. Let's look at this from a different perspective here. If an alien who is virtually unstoppable, cannot be harmed, and has the abilities of a God to a degree came to Earth and while he doesn't showcase any threat the world in and of itself wouldn't embrace him 100%.
So I can understand Snyder showing a Superman struggling with his destiny and place in the world. I won't blame Snyder all the way as I feel Man of Steel was a great film in my eyes and a different take on the Superman character. I fully blame the studios for going into panic mode, rushing to compete with Disney/Marvel, and not letting the universe come to fruition in an organic fashion. Snyder, if anything in all honesty, he should've pushed for the Superman sequel first, then perhaps the Batman solo film, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and then Justice League.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 27, 2018 18:16:49 GMT -5
Nah inspired is pretty accurate... as it implies he had no idea why things happened in the story... or really remembered how shit happened. Wait, you mean Batman didn't shoot somebody in the head? There's one thing that not even Snyder diehards have a legit answer for, when it comes to his Batman. If this is a Batman that has basically been broken by fighting crime to the point where he has no problem killing mooks left and right, why hasn't he killed Joker? If Batman kills, why is Joker still alive? Remember the theory that Jason Todd was actually The Joker? That's really the only reason why Batman wouldn't have killed him.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2018 18:30:59 GMT -5
I realize I am probably in the minority when it comes to this opinion. But I understand what Zack Snyder was attempting to do with Superman in general. He was showing how if Superman were real and in a modern setting how he would be received as a whole. Let's look at this from a different perspective here. If an alien who is virtually unstoppable, cannot be harmed, and has the abilities of a God to a degree came to Earth and while he doesn't showcase any threat the world in and of itself wouldn't embrace him 100%. And that would be fine in the hands of a director with the talent to pull it off. Much like George Lucas, Snyder is an excellent visual artist (even if he is too fond of desaturating everything he shoots into oblivion) but he's terrible at just about every other part of the job.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 27, 2018 19:01:34 GMT -5
Wait, you mean Batman didn't shoot somebody in the head? There's one thing that not even Snyder diehards have a legit answer for, when it comes to his Batman. If this is a Batman that has basically been broken by fighting crime to the point where he has no problem killing mooks left and right, why hasn't he killed Joker? If Batman kills, why is Joker still alive? Remember the theory that Jason Todd was actually The Joker? That's really the only reason why Batman wouldn't have killed him. David Ayer the writer and director of Suicide Squad, aka the guy that made Joker look the way he did, flat out shot that theory down point blank.
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Post by Juice on Jun 27, 2018 19:18:43 GMT -5
I liked bvs. Wasn't perfect, but I liked ir. I've generally liked most Snyder movies, even if I am tired of his style these days. I have not watched JL. And likely won't unless his cut is released. Then I'll watch both. As of now I'm burned out on comic,book adaptations for a plethora of reasons. At some point it would be nice if everyone took a step back and looked at all of the studio interference from WB, and placed some blame there where it belongs for the DCEU being what it is. It's well documented. WB are far from blameless, for sure, but equally you cannot underestimate the buffoonery of a man who sees this: And then says "Batman's cool with using guns and killing, he says so in Dark Knight Returns and headshots a guy!" While you aren't wrong, he has more justifications in that than every other Batman that came before in which Batman either kills or uses guns. It's not a Snyder issue, literally ever film prior utilized it. To me thats a WB call more than a director. Since there have been 4 of them to do it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2018 19:19:29 GMT -5
Remember the theory that Jason Todd was actually The Joker? That's really the only reason why Batman wouldn't have killed him. David Ayer the writer and director of Suicide Squad, aka the guy that made Joker look the way he did, flat out shot that theory down point blank. Also Snyder confirmed that the Robin suit in BVS belonged to a Robin that was killed around ten years prior, also hinting later that same Robin may not have been Jason Todd.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2018 19:25:44 GMT -5
WB are far from blameless, for sure, but equally you cannot underestimate the buffoonery of a man who sees this: And then says "Batman's cool with using guns and killing, he says so in Dark Knight Returns and headshots a guy!" While you aren't wrong, he has more justifications in that than every other Batman that came before in which Batman either kills or uses guns. It's not a Snyder issue, literally ever film prior utilized it. To me thats a WB call more than a director. Since there have been 4 of them to do it. When Snyder himself has claimed responsibility for it, going as far to say he even toned down the use of guns and killing from the Dark Knight Returns, I find it hard to believe that it was solely a WB call. WB obviously didn't say no, but Snyder is quite happy to claim all the major character traits and actions as his own creations. WB's meddling seems to just be limited to wanting Batman and Wonder Woman in BVS and editing the theatrical cut to something approaching a manageable length with no thought given to how it'll affect the story.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2018 19:33:23 GMT -5
I realize I am probably in the minority when it comes to this opinion. But I understand what Zack Snyder was attempting to do with Superman in general. He was showing how if Superman were real and in a modern setting how he would be received as a whole. Let's look at this from a different perspective here. If an alien who is virtually unstoppable, cannot be harmed, and has the abilities of a God to a degree came to Earth and while he doesn't showcase any threat the world in and of itself wouldn't embrace him 100%. And that would be fine in the hands of a director with the talent to pull it off. Much like George Lucas, Snyder is an excellent visual artist (even if he is too fond of desaturating everything he shoots into oblivion) but he's terrible at just about every other part of the job. It's why Snyder's best film is 300. It's just a dumb, fun action movie that doesn't really try to have any serious story beyond "Persians want to take over Sparta. Let's kill them."
Everything else where he tries to have like, actual plot fails miserably.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2018 19:36:00 GMT -5
Yea, for those that didn't read the other thread he said some outlandish shit and the worst part is this is all his own head canon
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 28, 2018 9:14:17 GMT -5
Yea, for those that didn't read the other thread he said some outlandish shit and the worst part is this is all his own head canon He tried to kill off Dick Grayson before he even showed up. That alone makes him the absolute worst comic book film director of all time, and that's including Josh Trank, Joel Schumacher and Mark Steven Johnson. Zack Snyder is goddamn garbage at his job, he shouldn't be allowed near a DC property ever again. He's a bad director and a worse storyteller. I hope to never see him attached to anything I care about ever again.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jun 28, 2018 10:02:12 GMT -5
I believe a few months ago when first confirmation of the "Snyder Cut" existing was reported, it was stated to be a more or less cut film without the finished effects. WB took a bath on this movie. There is no way they'd ever sink MORE money into it for another release with completed effects. They could release it as a workprint edition, but the Snyder nerds will never get a completed version of the film. It always baffles me that these hardcore fans who claim to have all this insight into these properties seem to lack the most basic comprehension of how the film industry works. Seriously, as I said in the Snyder explains everything thread... Jeez people, Move on. 1. the cut is not finished it would not have any of the effects in place. 2. It was a money loser, a parent company isn't going to waste it's time putting out special editions on a movie that bombed. (it need to make like at least 100 million more than it did to be successful... it bombed) 3. if rumors are to be believed multiple people who saw Snyder's cut called it "Unwatchable" which is the real reason Whedon was brought on. (and again how Snyder's basically acted like a massive baby on TWitter post Justice League I fully believe he was fired.) 4. The parts people seem to like the most of Justice League... pretty much everything Superman related... all seem to be Whedon additions. and I bet if they finally cave to the demand for the Snyder cut... and it's awful they'll claim that what? Marvel fans snuck in and changed it? That the WB execs did it to make him look bad? Both of you hit the nail on the head. Even in all of Oliva's smug replies to folks calling bullshit, the most "it exists" seems to mean is that the scenes were shot, which would mean a lot more if we weren't talking about a superhero movie where all of the villains and at least one of the heroes are almost entirely CGI. We're talking about raw footage; no visual effects, no sound effects, no CGI, no score. Even if that's a "film" anyone's willing to watch, I don't see Warner Bros spending another cent licensing and distributing it. WB's not coming back to Justice League, they've moved on.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 28, 2018 12:07:08 GMT -5
Remember the theory that Jason Todd was actually The Joker? That's really the only reason why Batman wouldn't have killed him. David Ayer the writer and director of Suicide Squad, aka the guy that made Joker look the way he did, flat out shot that theory down point blank. I know he did. I was just stating that the theory in and of itself would explain why Batman couldn't kill The Joker. Are we to believe that The Joker kept escaping every single time from Batman's clutches? Because it would make Batman seem like an insignificant vigilante if he's killing random criminals and not The Joker, Zsaz, or even Killer Croc.
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