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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 27, 2018 15:45:34 GMT -5
I'd say F.A.N.s favourite local man is in with a shout, you rarely hear anything bad said about Kane. Off the top of my head, he turned down ending the streak, as well as a World Title reign at least once (this is prior to him winning it in 2010) Yeah I think it has to be Kane. He literally turned down things that would've helped him immensely so others could get the chance.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 27, 2018 15:46:07 GMT -5
Besides the whole nexus thing how about Cena? Especially in recent years. He put over Kevin Owens clean in his first match on the main roster, and don’t forget about losing to Ambrose and Nakamura clean on Smackdown as well as Rollins in a gauntlet match being the second guy in while Rollins was still tired from The first match Even more than the actual match losses, the fact that Cena willing to let himself look like a complete whitebread sellout dork to get over RVD at One Night Stand and Punk at MitB still strikes me as way more generous than what we've seen from most other WWE headliners.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jun 27, 2018 15:47:20 GMT -5
To a guy who refused to ever return the favor for him and said, one month earlier, that he wasn’t jobbing anymore. Bret offered to drop the title to Austin, to Shamrock, etc. because he could’ve wrestled until the IYH event the next month. Hell, he offered to put Shawn over, just not that night. Even if you think that’s the most selfish thing, that’s the one moment of his career you could call selfish. A nd even if you think that, Bret is still far and away one of the most unselfish top guys in history. See, I find the bolded text fair. I just didn't care from the poster's "creative control so it's OKAY" post. I know Shawn was a gigantic, doped up dickhead, but I think being the bigger man could have gone a lot further tbh. Ah, fair enough.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 27, 2018 15:49:38 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, he turned down ending the streak, as well as a World Title reign at least once (this is prior to him winning it in 2010) Yeah I think....that's gotta....THAT'S GOTTA be Kane! He literally turned down things that would've helped him immensely so others could get the chance. Fixed that for you, Platy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2018 15:56:39 GMT -5
Not anything with refusing to job or anything but here's story of Rock being difficult although it's hilarious. Love that he talks in the third person in real life. www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MZMxYtqgIFor all the things he's done in his career without much fuss it's funny to hear him say nah i'm good on that
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Post by Deputy Muscle on Jun 27, 2018 16:18:45 GMT -5
How are we so far into the thread and no one has mentioned Lesnar??? The guy is so dedicated to making others look good he avoids 80% of the schedule so others can shine in his absence!
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 27, 2018 16:35:58 GMT -5
I don't think not being selfish is necessarily a good thing, and have a "selfish" champion is a good counter balance to Vince's control.
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Post by BigAl on Jun 27, 2018 18:01:47 GMT -5
You're joking, right? One of the biggest moments in professional wrestling history concerns Bret's refusal to put another guy over. No. Bret Hart is a valid answer. - jobbed to the Mountie, losing the IC title in the process and sitting out the 1992 Royal Rumble to sell the illness, thereby missing out on a big PPV payday in an era where PPV was scarce, because the boss wanted it that way. - Put over an aging star from a bygone era in Bob Backlund because Vince McMahon wanted to go with Diesel. - Basically made the star of Stone Cold Steve Austin But all it boils down to is a professional difference between him, Vince and Shawn, which wrongly overlooks all the other contribution and sacrifice Bret Hart made during his tenure. And all the Jobing And selling he did in Wcw specially when the ultimate warrior threw him around like a rag doll. Or jobbing to Luger, Piper, ddp, etc
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jun 27, 2018 19:02:20 GMT -5
When I think "top guy", I think of the cash cow. So that removes Kane, Orton, Foley, and other main eventers. I would agree that the answer is probably The Rock. But really, it's anyone that did business as they were instructed. Bob Backlund, Sting, Randy Savage, and probably others.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 27, 2018 19:22:01 GMT -5
When I think "top guy", I think of the cash cow. So that removes Kane, Orton, Foley, and other main eventers. I would agree that the answer is probably The Rock. But really, it's anyone that did business as they were instructed. Bob Backlund, Sting, Randy Savage, and probably others. I agree with this. Foley, Orton, Roman and other’s weren’t in a position to call THAT many shots. Rock was mainstream famous by early 2000 at the latest. He had enough power to have said “Nah I don’t think Kurt’s ready” in 2000. By fall of 2001, he was already basically a Batista level movie star, yet he put over Jericho three times in 4 months to help establish him. Rock had enough value to the company to basically say “I think I’m gonna keep this belt for a year” and they probably would’ve gone along with it. Yet he was putting people over like he was Dean Ambrose. Also to Rock’s credit, I think he’s the only top guy I’ve ever seen (other than maybe Daniel Bryan) that didn’t seem to be hurt at all by consistently losing. His 1999 alone would’ve sent most guys in history to the midcard. He lost almost every PPV match. Yet he was more over when it was over. That’s all on Rock’s personal talent.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 27, 2018 19:56:00 GMT -5
You're joking, right? One of the biggest moments in professional wrestling history concerns Bret's refusal to put another guy over. Nope. He had creative control in his contract and his refusal was that he didn't want to lose in Canada, as was his right in his contract. He'd put Shawn over before and he would have done it again. The issue was Vince fearing Bret would take the title to WCW, based on nothing, and notorious shit-stirrers Shawn and Triple H getting his ear. Vince is in the wrong, not Bret. Bret's entire career was making others look good and being a professional. Yeah but his own brother kicked his leg out of his leg for being selfish!
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 27, 2018 20:23:35 GMT -5
Nope. He had creative control in his contract and his refusal was that he didn't want to lose in Canada, as was his right in his contract. He'd put Shawn over before and he would have done it again. The issue was Vince fearing Bret would take the title to WCW, based on nothing, and notorious shit-stirrers Shawn and Triple H getting his ear. Vince is in the wrong, not Bret. Bret's entire career was making others look good and being a professional. Yeah but his own brother kicked his leg out of his leg for being selfish! Too Damn Selfish!!
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 27, 2018 20:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah I think he was. I haven't heard 1 story about Rock not wanting to work with or put someone over besides those HBK stories but we know why Rock said that and it makes sense. Rock's always been amazing. You know, I'm watching some Raws from 97 and I'm in November which is directly after the Screwjob and during that time Rock's starting to call himself "The Rock" and he's working with a midcard Austin, messing around with the Nation, stuff like that. It's great looking back at this time and see guys like Farooq make way for Rock to lead to become who he is today, seeing guys like Austin work with him given he sees where he's going and yet he sees Rock and he knows he's got something, seeing his evolution. Just goes to show you that sometimes helping people out can go a long way. Because of how Rock was treated by the company, he does his best to give that back times 10 for anyone else he works with no matter who they are. Yeah Shawn it's the only person Rock ever refused to work with. It was because allegedly Shawn buried him when he was a rookie, also Shawn in the early 90s with Marty Jannetty were booked for Rock's grandmother's territory and they were assholes. Apparently a teenage Rock went so far as to try and fight them. Shawn cost himself a lot of money by being an asshole.
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Post by gts on Jun 27, 2018 20:42:07 GMT -5
From watching shoots over the years it seems Bret never wanted to job, but outside of Montreal was always professional. For top guys, I'd go with Rock.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 27, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5
From watching shoots over the years it seems Bret never wanted to job, but outside of Montreal was always professional. For top guys, I'd go with Rock. I have a theory as to why Bret disliked jobbing in general. The guy started with the wwf since the national expansion and for all intent and purposes was a jobber to the stars for years and years. Once he made it to the top I can understand why he would be scared about losing. Bret also said on his book that if you don't protest losing, Vince will asume that you're ok with putting guys over and you will become an underneath guy.
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Post by corndog on Jun 27, 2018 22:42:43 GMT -5
When I think "top guy", I think of the cash cow. So that removes Kane, Orton, Foley, and other main eventers. I would agree that the answer is probably The Rock. But really, it's anyone that did business as they were instructed. Bob Backlund, Sting, Randy Savage, and probably others. This was what I was thinking of, a top draw and cornerstone of the company. The type of guy that leaves and it can seriously hurt the company.
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Post by segaz on Jun 28, 2018 13:46:20 GMT -5
The whole idea that he had a clause in his contract that he "couldn't lose in Canada" is proof to the contrary. It's fake. The fans know it's fake. You're not going to look "less than" by losing in Canada. The general wrestling fan isn't going to remember where a certain match took place. Most fans probably forget where an event is happening before it even ends. His refusal to put Shawn over isn't as black and white as you put it. Even if Bret relinquished the title the following night on RAW, that kind of buries the title, does it not? "Our champion is giving us the title back so he can go work for the competition," is not a good look for the belt or for the WWF as a whole. Another shining example of non-selfish Bret Hart: (LINK BECAUSE LANGUAGE WARNING) youtu.be/av8P_MORJjEI thought that he was originally ok with it but Shawn said that he would never return the favor or put over Bret Hart ever which caused him to change his mind. Seems like a legit thing to be upset about I don't knpw That was what done it, you're right. He said he'd drop the belt to.anyone anywhere, just not Shawn on that night. They could have given it to shamrock, or even had a screw finish with Austin 'winning' but not.getting the title, there were 1000 different ways to transition the belt from him. Clearly HHH didn't mind just being handed the belt later
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 28, 2018 13:56:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Rock is any less selfish than John Cena.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 28, 2018 14:48:05 GMT -5
From watching shoots over the years it seems Bret never wanted to job, but outside of Montreal was always professional. For top guys, I'd go with Rock. I have a theory as to why Bret disliked jobbing in general. The guy started with the wwf since the national expansion and for all intent and purposes was a jobber to the stars for years and years. Once he made it to the top I can understand why he would be scared about losing. Bret also said on his book that if you don't protest losing, Vince will asume that you're ok with putting guys over and you will become an underneath guy. I think your you nailed it with that theory when comes to Bret although I wouldn't say he was a jobber to the stars as he was part of a successful tag team, winning the tag titles twice back when that was still a big deal. He still wasn't protected by any means though and did his share of jobs. It was more of a paranoia I think then a ego thing. I think it was probably the same case with Shawn Michaels who also started in tag teams and did his good share of jobs while fighting and working his way to the top for many years which most top guys really don't have to do as most get the rocket strapped to them get there in three years or less. Also when it comes to Bret even though he would give push back and would be reluctant about it, he still did more jobs then most top guys even when he reached that spot. So even though he probably was pissy about it a lot of the time he still went along with it unlike some main eventers who just outright refused.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jun 28, 2018 15:31:03 GMT -5
Didn't Stephanie McMahon pin The Rock once?
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