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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2019 22:45:10 GMT -5
again Look the evil clone of Luke Skywalker from his clone that's name only works in text... Ah yes. Luuke. >_> right two u's... I always think it's two O's but I think that makes way more sense... >_>
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 14, 2019 22:50:50 GMT -5
right two u's... I always think it's two O's but I think that makes way more sense... >_> I recently listened to the audiobook version of the Thrawn trilogy. It really doesn't work spoken aloud, and even the logic doesn't hold up, if it ever did. Clones have a blind spot for correctly pronouncing the name of the person used as their template? What?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 14, 2019 23:14:44 GMT -5
again Look the evil clone of Luke Skywalker from his clone that's name only works in text... Ah yes. Luuke. >_> You know he’s evil Luke because he spells his name with two u’s.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 14, 2019 23:33:03 GMT -5
And TBH outside of a few shining examples of the post-ROTJ Legends EU, most of it was complete trash; the new EU is a lot more straightforward and has a lot less scummy cousins of Han Solo, Hapans, Yuuzhan Vong, Yevetha, Solo children kidnapping plots, Author Self-Inserts, and Sith Wannabes of the Week. And we already got Thrawn back in the new canon. The new EU is a lot more focused, has some more interesting characters, and without like, 50 different contradicting storylines all happening at the same time because Lucas didn't care about continuity as much then. I miss Jaxxon and the Hoojibs. And the Ewoks movies if they were wiped from canon. The rest of it can spin.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2019 23:51:06 GMT -5
And TBH outside of a few shining examples of the post-ROTJ Legends EU, most of it was complete trash; the new EU is a lot more straightforward and has a lot less scummy cousins of Han Solo, Hapans, Yuuzhan Vong, Yevetha, Solo children kidnapping plots, Author Self-Inserts, and Sith Wannabes of the Week. And we already got Thrawn back in the new canon. The new EU is a lot more focused, has some more interesting characters, and without like, 50 different contradicting storylines all happening at the same time because Lucas didn't care about continuity as much then. I miss Jaxxon and the Hoojibs. And the Ewoks movies if they were wiped from canon. The rest of it can spin. Well Good news!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 14, 2019 23:54:44 GMT -5
I miss Jaxxon and the Hoojibs. And the Ewoks movies if they were wiped from canon. The rest of it can spin. Well Good news! Holy crap, they brought him back finally? Hot damn, they better make a figure. Now what about my Hoojibs?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2019 23:58:16 GMT -5
Well Good news! Holy crap, they brought him back finally? Hot damn, they better make a figure. Now what about my Hoojibs? Dunno on the Hoojibs, but Jaxxon is canon.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 15, 2019 0:03:30 GMT -5
My Star Wars - Rebel leaders calmly and rationally explaining the plans to rebels who then bravely execute said plan even at the cost of their lives. Not My Star Wars - Inexplicably bitchy admiral refusing to tell her shitty plan to a hot headed man...something something flyboy etc....Rescuing space horses. Milking a land whale. Casino thief, and evil businessmen selling weapons to both sides in a galaxy perpetually at war. I never got the first argument. You wouldnt get Stormin' Norman giving away his plans to a hot headed F16 pilot. No matter how good he was. Need to know. Pie should have shut up and followed orders. Plus he'd shown before that he was an unreliable moron. The rest, I agree with. The businessmen selling weapons to both sides could kinda of worked if established in tge first movie. A weapons dealer who is set up as a billionaire supplying the Resistance but is also supplying the Order could have been a decent idea but it came out of nowhere.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2019 0:07:37 GMT -5
The businessmen selling weapons to both sides could kinda of worked if established in tge first movie. A weapons dealer who is set up as a billionaire supplying the Resistance but is also supplying the Order could have been a decent idea but it came out of nowhere. It would've worked a whole lot better as an overarching plot in Resistance, since behind enemy lines stuff is part of that show's premise. A guy working both sides for maximum profit would fit right in.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2019 0:52:59 GMT -5
Since Empire Strikes Back has come up a bit in the last 24 hours, it's a nice coincidence that this video of positive and negative reactions to it was posted last night:
It all seems... very familiar.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 15, 2019 1:46:54 GMT -5
The thing that got me about the weapons dealing to both sides is that it was very much presented as a moral dilemma, as "Ah, are you really the good guys if you're buying these weapons of war?"
At which point Finn, Rose, or anyone in the nearest sector of the galaxy should have just calmly said "Remember when the Resistance built their own Starkiller Base or Death Star to wipe out entire planets? No? Because that never happened? Funny, that. It's almost like building these moral equivalencies about fighting those committing genocide is really transparently worthless."
And they didn't. They just all kind of looked at each other then went on with things.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 15, 2019 6:00:02 GMT -5
The thing that got me about the weapons dealing to both sides is that it was very much presented as a moral dilemma, as "Ah, are you really the good guys if you're buying these weapons of war?" At which point Finn, Rose, or anyone in the nearest sector of the galaxy should have just calmly said "Remember when the Resistance built their own Starkiller Base or Death Star to wipe out entire planets? No? Because that never happened? Funny, that. It's almost like building these moral equivalencies about fighting those committing genocide is really transparently worthless." And they didn't. They just all kind of looked at each other then went on with things. I think that's another reason why I really disliked Force Awakens being used to reset the universe into a "rebels vs. empire" story; even if the rebels are buying black market weapons and enriching a bunch of assholes in the process, the First Order literally destroyed an entire solar system. I would hope somebody would fight back, whatever it takes, in those circumstances. If we had come back to the story and had the First Order as a sort of imperial remnant of hardcore true-believers, with the resistance standing against them but acting behind the back of the New Republic (or at least with only very quiet support from many in the Republic), then the idea of both sides dealing in the black market or whatever would have more of an interesting edge to it, since the two sides would be closer in scale to one another. Basically, man, there's so much interesting world (galaxy?) building that should've come from having a trilogy set 30+ years after the originals, and it just wasn't done because we needed what was comfortable and familiar to people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 6:37:58 GMT -5
I miss Jaxxon and the Hoojibs. And the Ewoks movies if they were wiped from canon. The rest of it can spin. Well Good news! Not just this (which is over at IDW in their Star Wars Adventures book), but Marvel's publishing a revival one-shot of their old SW series - STAR WARS #108 - next month, which is supposed to include Jaxxon and a few of their other original creations.`
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 15, 2019 6:42:33 GMT -5
We'll all know Star Wars has hit rock bottom when Waruu shows up
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 6:51:17 GMT -5
I'm really looking forward to what Red Letter Media puts out next.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 16, 2019 19:08:51 GMT -5
Wrong episode, but still...
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 16, 2019 20:24:57 GMT -5
I miss Jaxxon and the Hoojibs. And the Ewoks movies if they were wiped from canon. The rest of it can spin. Well Good news! I know I'm not the first to point it out, but it's a crazy coincidence how him and Bucky O'Hare, another green space bunny, were developed just months apart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 9:44:30 GMT -5
Well Good news! I know I'm not the first to point it out, but it's a crazy coincidence how him and Bucky O'Hare, another green space bunny, were developed just months apart. Created by Hama not when he was at Marvel but rather when he was at DC; a tenure I forget about - he edited Wonder Woman and a few other books in 1977-78 (and now I wonder if his job may've been a casualty of the DC Implosion) - but despite creating it there, he & Mike Golden retained the characters' rights. He must've seen the comic character created from afar when the rest of comicdom did and came up with a different idea; no offense to the god of GI Joe, but "big green rabbit in outer space" is WAY too specific to be an entirely independent creation....
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2019 10:21:25 GMT -5
I know I'm not the first to point it out, but it's a crazy coincidence how him and Bucky O'Hare, another green space bunny, were developed just months apart. Created by Hama not when he was at Marvel but rather when he was at DC; a tenure I forget about - he edited Wonder Woman and a few other books in 1977-78 (and now I wonder if his job may've been a casualty of the DC Implosion) - but despite creating it there, he & Mike Golden retained the characters' rights. He must've seen the comic character created from afar when the rest of comicdom did and came up with a different idea; no offense to the god of GI Joe, but "big green rabbit in outer space" is WAY too specific to be an entirely independent creation.... Big Green Rabbit that mostly wears all Red at that.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 18, 2019 10:36:18 GMT -5
My Star Wars - Rebel leaders calmly and rationally explaining the plans to rebels who then bravely execute said plan even at the cost of their lives. Not My Star Wars - Inexplicably bitchy admiral refusing to tell her shitty plan to a hot headed man...something something flyboy etc....Rescuing space horses. Milking a land whale. Casino thief, and evil businessmen selling weapons to both sides in a galaxy perpetually at war. I never got the first argument. You wouldnt get Stormin' Norman giving away his plans to a hot headed F16 pilot. No matter how good he was. Need to know. Pie should have shut up and followed orders. Plus he'd shown before that he was an unreliable moron. The rest, I agree with. The businessmen selling weapons to both sides could kinda of worked if established in tge first movie. A weapons dealer who is set up as a billionaire supplying the Resistance but is also supplying the Order could have been a decent idea but it came out of nowhere. A general wouldn't necessarily share his overall war strategy with an individual pilot. However the commander of a specific operation would. Character development is fine. Character regression is just bad writing, especially when the supposed bigger picture that he must learn about doesn't make much sense in itself. What regression? Going into Last Jedi Poe's character is literally just: - hotheaded - independent - smartass - great pilot After Last Jedi we learn his character is: - a little too hotheaded, realises it - a little too independent, realises it - still a smartass - still a great pilot Regression would've been having him sitting next to Rose Tico, blubbing his eyes out. How does the "hotshot flyboy" learning that to be an effective leader he must curb his all-or-nothing instincts not make much sense? It's regression because in TLJ he's written in a way to make him look stupid, in order to make Holdo look better, which is clumsily contrived anyway since her plan is stupid in itself, and her conduct towards him doesn't make her look any better. So in effect, two characters are being sabotaged for no narrative gain at all.
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