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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 18, 2019 12:18:39 GMT -5
I never got the first argument. You wouldnt get Stormin' Norman giving away his plans to a hot headed F16 pilot. No matter how good he was. Need to know. Pie should have shut up and followed orders. Plus he'd shown before that he was an unreliable moron. The rest, I agree with. The businessmen selling weapons to both sides could kinda of worked if established in tge first movie. A weapons dealer who is set up as a billionaire supplying the Resistance but is also supplying the Order could have been a decent idea but it came out of nowhere. A general wouldn't necessarily share his overall war strategy with an individual pilot. However the commander of a specific operation would. What regression? Going into Last Jedi Poe's character is literally just: - hotheaded - independent - smartass - great pilot After Last Jedi we learn his character is: - a little too hotheaded, realises it - a little too independent, realises it - still a smartass - still a great pilot Regression would've been having him sitting next to Rose Tico, blubbing his eyes out. How does the "hotshot flyboy" learning that to be an effective leader he must curb his all-or-nothing instincts not make much sense? It's regression because in TLJ he's written in a way to make him look stupid, in order to make Holdo look better, which is clumsily contrived anyway since her plan is stupid in itself, and her conduct towards him doesn't make her look any better. So in effect, two characters are being sabotaged for no narrative gain at all. As someone who both loved and defends TLJ and didn’t mind Holdo, I did leave the theater wanting more insight as to how Poe’s screwup affected him emotionally/mentally. That’s one drawback I’ll admit bugged me. Hopefully it’ll get covered come December.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 18, 2019 12:30:37 GMT -5
My guess and hope is that his interaction with Holdo is never mentioned in ROS.
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Post by Cela on Apr 18, 2019 18:55:07 GMT -5
My Star Wars - Rebel leaders calmly and rationally explaining the plans to rebels who then bravely execute said plan even at the cost of their lives. Not My Star Wars - Inexplicably bitchy admiral refusing to tell her shitty plan to a hot headed man...something something flyboy etc....Rescuing space horses. Milking a land whale. Casino thief, and evil businessmen selling weapons to both sides in a galaxy perpetually at war. I never got the first argument. You wouldnt get Stormin' Norman giving away his plans to a hot headed F16 pilot. No matter how good he was. Need to know. Pie should have shut up and followed orders. Plus he'd shown before that he was an unreliable moron. The rest, I agree with. The businessmen selling weapons to both sides could kinda of worked if established in tge first movie. A weapons dealer who is set up as a billionaire supplying the Resistance but is also supplying the Order could have been a decent idea but it came out of nowhere. Think of it less as Storman Normin and more Bunker Hitler. If Stormin Norman had 50 people left and 10% of their vehicles were being destroyed every 5 minutes. It may be a good idea to let your troops know that you indeed have a plan beyond "Get in line soldier." Or they could have just had a spy subplot. But these movies suck and had "subverting expectations! BRAAAAAAAAAA!" So we got people with their common sense glands removed.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 18, 2019 19:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 1:14:22 GMT -5
If Stormin Norman had 50 people left and 10% of their vehicles were being destroyed every 5 minutes. It may be a good idea to let your troops know that you indeed have a plan beyond "Get in line soldier." That's not how the real military works.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Apr 21, 2019 10:20:42 GMT -5
One of the things that bugged me most about TLJ, besides Rose or whatever her name is running into Finn's speeder at the end (yeah they couldn't have had him die, but him sacrificing himself would've killed Kylo and would've been an honorable death) was that Chewbacca seems unaffected by the death of his long time friend.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 21, 2019 10:40:30 GMT -5
One of the things that bugged me most about TLJ, besides Rose or whatever her name is running into Finn's speeder at the end (yeah they couldn't have had him die, but him sacrificing himself would've killed Kylo and would've been an honorable death) was that Chewbacca seems unaffected by the death of his long time friend. Compare that to Chewie's howl of anguish when the Hoth base door closed in Empire. Like the prequels, these movies are devoid of genuine emotion. As for Rose, that was done to put her over at the expense of Finn. A bad character gets the undeserved moment of heroism, rather than the far superior character who needed it, capped off by her utterly woeful line of dialogue afterwards to advance a completely shoehorned and pointless romance.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 21, 2019 12:24:21 GMT -5
Finn was goin to die for nothing. He wasn't even close to that cannon&it was about to blow him to bits. It was a dumb move on his part.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 21, 2019 12:45:18 GMT -5
Finn was goin to die for nothing. He wasn't even close to that cannon&it was about to blow him to bits. It was a dumb move on his part. All part of a genius plan to defend a derelict base with only one entry point unless you happen to be a fox, vulnerable to a siege, using ancient craft that are falling apart against a heavily armed enemy with a supercannon, gorilla walkers and a homicidal force user.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 21, 2019 12:47:08 GMT -5
Ok. It's still a dumb suicide move that wouldn't have done anything to that cannon or given him a heroic moment.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 21, 2019 13:12:19 GMT -5
Ok. It's still a dumb suicide move that wouldn't have done anything to that cannon or given him a heroic moment. That's what happens when a writer/director doesn't think carefully about what he's written before filming it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 21, 2019 13:27:03 GMT -5
Fine, but you're the one who was goin on about a heroic moment just a few posts up.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 21, 2019 13:46:23 GMT -5
Fine, but you're the one who was goin on about a heroic moment just a few posts up. Because that's what it was portrayed as being. A badly written heroic sacrifice would have at least been preferable to a badly written heroic moment being subverted by an even dumber plot development.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 21, 2019 18:32:24 GMT -5
Fine, but you're the one who was goin on about a heroic moment just a few posts up. Because that's what it was portrayed as being. A badly written heroic sacrifice would have at least been preferable to a badly written heroic moment being subverted by an even dumber plot development. Move on guys.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 21, 2019 19:22:05 GMT -5
Heh, already had tbh.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 21, 2019 19:55:48 GMT -5
What about the Porkins family? No one cares about Porkins.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 21, 2019 21:53:54 GMT -5
What about the Porkins family? No one cares about Porkins.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 21, 2019 22:24:36 GMT -5
What is it with fat guys dying first in Star Wars movies?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 22, 2019 0:01:50 GMT -5
the latest makingstarwars rumor, I’ll spoiler it: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Harrison Ford has a cameo. Allegedly in a sort of dream/force sequence with Kylo. That’s being caused by Luke. With Han telling him it’s not too late to change I’d mark.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 6:43:16 GMT -5
What about the Porkins family? No one cares about Porkins. Yeah, but this spoiler though.... {Spoiler}
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