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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Nov 8, 2019 18:12:20 GMT -5
That’s a good idea after how divisive Last Jedi was. Even the prequels didn’t get that level of heat. Maybe Rise of Skywalker will be popular and do exceptional business. Then things could change but I do think a cooling down period for the movies is a wise decision.
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Post by adamclark52 on Nov 8, 2019 18:23:18 GMT -5
Can’t say I’m upset over that
For some reason a bad movie does way more damage in my eyes than a bad TV show.
They moved way too quickly with the movies anyway and burnt themselves out. I’m a big purveyor of the old “three year gap” between trilogy movies, but those days are long gone.
I bet they’re back at it within five years though
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Post by EyeofTyr on Nov 8, 2019 18:48:52 GMT -5
That’s a good idea after how divisive Last Jedi was. Even the prequels didn’t get that level of heat. Maybe Rise of Skywalker will be popular and do exceptional business. Then things could change but I do think a cooling down period for the movies is a wise decision. That's just straight up incorrect. Like, maybe around you it wasn't so bad. Critics ripped apart the prequel movies after Episode 1 (and even that was not without its detractors out the gate) and most people I interacted with in RL and online were not fans of the movies, but kept going with hopes they'd improve and the next one would be better (and, in some cases, purely out of a feeling of obligation as a Star Wars fan to go see them). I distinctly remember with the rise of Youtube people posting videos "Is Star Wars DEAD?", "Did the prequels KILL Star Wars?", "Is there any way Star Wars can be saved?!" There's a reason why shortly before the release of, during its release and shortly after the release of RotS a hot topic for videos on Youtube and for threads on forums was "How would you have made the prequels good?" I won't lie and say The Last Jedi's been met with universal praise either, because it hasn't. But to say the prequels never reached this level of hate (and well beyond it honestly) is factually wrong.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 8, 2019 18:54:53 GMT -5
The Last Jedi is divisive, as was The Empire Strikes Back when it first came out. The prequels were almost universally panned except for Revenge of the Sith.
I'd say Solo's relatively poor performance as well as professional hacks Weiss and Benioff quitting their planned SW movies had a lot more to do with this "hiatus" than anything to do with The Last Jedi. If they were still on board, I imagine things would be full speed ahead with any new movies.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 8, 2019 19:05:20 GMT -5
They moved way too quickly with the movies anyway and burnt themselves out. I’m a big purveyor of the old “three year gap” between trilogy movies, but those days are long gone. I bet they’re back at it within five years though Based on the rumoured plans, the D&D trilogy was supposed to see a release of the first movie in late 2021, and Rian Johnson's first trilogy entry releasing in 2023. Assuming Johnson's movies haven't also been canned, they may well be back at it within five years. I'd say Solo's relatively poor performance as well as professional hacks Weiss and Benioff quitting their planned SW movies had a lot more to do with this "hiatus" than anything to do with The Last Jedi. If they were still on board, I imagine things would be full speed ahead with any new movies. Pretty much. It reads as they've simply cancelled their movies rather than find replacements for them.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Nov 8, 2019 19:38:13 GMT -5
That’s a good idea after how divisive Last Jedi was. Even the prequels didn’t get that level of heat. Maybe Rise of Skywalker will be popular and do exceptional business. Then things could change but I do think a cooling down period for the movies is a wise decision. That's just straight up incorrect. Like, maybe around you it wasn't so bad. Critics ripped apart the prequel movies after Episode 1 (and even that was not without its detractors out the gate) and most people I interacted with in RL and online were not fans of the movies, but kept going with hopes they'd improve and the next one would be better (and, in some cases, purely out of a feeling of obligation as a Star Wars fan to go see them). I distinctly remember with the rise of Youtube people posting videos "Is Star Wars DEAD?", "Did the prequels KILL Star Wars?", "Is there any way Star Wars can be saved?!" There's a reason why shortly before the release of, during its release and shortly after the release of RotS a hot topic for videos on Youtube and for threads on forums was "How would you have made the prequels good?" I won't lie and say The Last Jedi's been met with universal praise either, because it hasn't. But to say the prequels never reached this level of hate (and well beyond it honestly) is factually wrong. Social media is much more prominent now. The prequels certainly weren’t loved by many. The franchise was still making a ton of money. They had a spin-off cartoon that did very well. Their toys were everywhere. You hardly see any toys for these new movies. If they were popular enough you’d see them everywhere just like before. Last Jedi did to Star Wars what WWE did to ECW. It made it uncool which is something even the prequels couldn’t accomplish.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 8, 2019 19:53:02 GMT -5
When the prequels came out, retail toy stores actually existed. Unless you want to claim The Last Jedi killed Toys R Us, too, as that'd only be slightly more ridiculous than everything else you've said.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Nov 8, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5
When the prequels came out, retail toy stores actually existed. Unless you want to claim The Last Jedi killed Toys R Us, too, as that'd only be slightly more ridiculous than everything else you've said. On top of that, while it was certainly still cool to some people (moreso those that were younger, like kids), I distinctly remember a sentiment of "Star Wars isn't cool" from people because of the prequels (something that carried through deep into the fandom itself) both online and offline. So much so that there was a period where "Trekkies" tried to use the prequels as evidence Star Trek was superior and cooler (because naturally you can't enjoy both). Plus I mean there's a whole incredibly popular reddit that initially was birthed out of the venom people had for the prequels and making memes to mock them (though admittedly that has since evolved into more of a playful teasing) that had tumblrs and blogs, and all manner of internet nesting places dedicated to them too. There's a reason why there's so many fan cuts of the prequels too. Also Star Wars is still making money. And most kids I know and/or have met still love Star Wars. It's really just kind of a cyclical thing that the franchise goes through with pretty much every new release.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 8, 2019 20:12:39 GMT -5
Just a reminder that this movie's prerelease ticket sales have been higher than all the previous Star Wars movies, and second only to Avengers: Endgame for most ticketing companies.
The idea that Star Wars is uncool all of a sudden because a section of the fanbase hated Last Jedi - which made a gargantuan pile of money and exceeded Disney's expectations - is silly.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Nov 8, 2019 23:12:57 GMT -5
When the prequels came out, retail toy stores actually existed. Unless you want to claim The Last Jedi killed Toys R Us, too, as that'd only be slightly more ridiculous than everything else you've said. Since this is directed at me I’ll respond directly to you. You claim everything I said was ridiculous. Well, let’s take a look at everything I said. “Social media is much more prominent now.” It’s been 20 years since Phantom Menace came out. There are a lot more outlets where people can vent now. I can’t see why you’d want to call that ridiculous. It’s clearly true. “The prequels certainly weren’t loved by many. The franchise was still making a ton of money.” Some fans hated them. Some enjoyed them. They still made bank. Not ridiculous to say either. “They had a spin-off cartoon that did very well.” People loved the Clone Wars cartoon. If the prequels were so hated why would they revisit the source material? Why are people excited that it’s coming back? Because it did very well? Yeah, I think that’s fair to say. “Their toys were everywhere. You hardly see any toys for these new movies. If they were popular enough you’d see them everywhere just like before.” You mentioned Toys R Us. They’re not the only place that sold toys. Walmart and Target have been selling Star Wars toys before the prequels even came out. They still do but there’s hardly anything being made anymore. Meanwhile you can find a ton of Marvel toys everywhere. If Star Wars was doing so well you’d see just as many toys as you could find back when the prequels were out. Most companies work from a supply and demand perspective. There’s just isn’t as much demand for Star Wars toys anymore. That’s not a ridiculous claim either. You want five different types or sizes of Black Panther or Thor? No problem. “Last Jedi did to Star Wars what WWE did to ECW. It made it uncool which is something even the prequels couldn’t accomplish.” Last Jedi killed the demand for Star Wars toys and future movies. People aren’t as excited for Star Wars content anymore. The new movie is selling tickets like hot cakes because seeing a big movie in a theater is a social event now. Seeing a Star Wars movie is almost like seeing a Marvel movie, but Marvel has more satisfied fans. You also have people that want to see how the story ends. It’s a ride. You take the ride and move on to the next one. Star Wars use to mean a lot more than that but that’s what it’s been reduced to for far too many people. It use to get people excited and it would capture their imaginations. I’m sure it still does for some people but not nearly as much as it use to.
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Post by thetower52 on Nov 9, 2019 0:50:09 GMT -5
Just a reminder that this movie's prerelease ticket sales have been higher than all the previous Star Wars movies, and second only to Avengers: Endgame for most ticketing companies. The idea that Star Wars is uncool all of a sudden because a section of the fanbase hated Last Jedi - which made a gargantuan pile of money and exceeded Disney's expectations - is silly. But the internet told me Last Jedi ruined Star Wars and ruined life as we know it!
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Post by thechase on Nov 9, 2019 2:56:06 GMT -5
Just a reminder that this movie's prerelease ticket sales have been higher than all the previous Star Wars movies, and second only to Avengers: Endgame for most ticketing companies. The idea that Star Wars is uncool all of a sudden because a section of the fanbase hated Last Jedi - which made a gargantuan pile of money and exceeded Disney's expectations - is silly. (BOOM Comics aside), TV Power Rangers hasn't been cool for decades. It makes money. People have wanted The Simpsons off the air for decades. It makes money. Look, I like Last Jedi, but it's impossible to deny it left a sour taste in a lot of fans' mouth, they're not a 'section' or a 'minority', they made their voices heard and panic buttons have been pushed ever since, plans for the movies changed constantly and in this case have now been shelved for now. If Last Jedi had gone as smoothly as you claim all things considered, the backlash would not have been significant enough to warrant these decisions, Solo probably would have worked and we'd have gotten our Fett and Obi-Wan flicks.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 9, 2019 14:57:06 GMT -5
Just a reminder that this movie's prerelease ticket sales have been higher than all the previous Star Wars movies, and second only to Avengers: Endgame for most ticketing companies. The idea that Star Wars is uncool all of a sudden because a section of the fanbase hated Last Jedi - which made a gargantuan pile of money and exceeded Disney's expectations - is silly. (BOOM Comics aside), TV Power Rangers hasn't been cool for decades. It makes money. People have wanted The Simpsons off the air for decades. It makes money. Look, I like Last Jedi, but it's impossible to deny it left a sour taste in a lot of fans' mouth, they're not a 'section' or a 'minority', they made their voices heard and panic buttons have been pushed ever since, plans for the movies changed constantly and in this case have now been shelved for now. If Last Jedi had gone as smoothly as you claim all things considered, the backlash would not have been significant enough to warrant these decisions, Solo probably would have worked and we'd have gotten our Fett and Obi-Wan flicks. The only metric that ultimately matters is money. Audiences and consumers vote with their wallets, and that's what changes studios plans, not when a vocal minority - yes, they are a minority when compared to the overall market - stamp their feet and pout. If something is making money, then there are more people happy with the product than there are unhappy. I never claimed that Last Jedi came and went smoothly, but it was an overwhelming success, passing Disney's expectations in both box office and home media sales. Solo was a misstep and that's the reason Disney have taken a step back. Speaking as someone who likes the movie for what it is, Solo has no reason to exist, and I waited until home release before seeing it. Marvel can pump out several movies a year because each are very distinct types of movies, while LucasFilm have put out four movies that all feel very similar in tone and narrative, and Rise of Skywalker isn't going to buck that trend. Looking at what they had lined up for the next 7-8 years (D&D's trilogy, Johnson's trilogy, Feige's movie, Solo 2-3, Fett, Obi-Wan, KOTOR) they'd have severely oversaturated their own market, and evidently realised it. Scaling back to just Feige's movie, maybe Johnson's, and shifting focus to television is the smarter move to make.
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Post by adamclark52 on Nov 17, 2019 2:24:18 GMT -5
as much as I did loath the Last Jedi I really do love the good humour that's come out since it did
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Post by thechase on Nov 17, 2019 5:29:46 GMT -5
Someone tell this guy that Yoda died in Return of the Jedi
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 17, 2019 10:16:12 GMT -5
If we’re being pedantic about it, Luke never fought Palpatine, either.
Then again, I’ve always hated Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by thechase on Nov 17, 2019 10:41:57 GMT -5
Back when I was a kid, it didn't even click with me that Palpatine was the Emperor, I just thought he was Darth's Obi-Wan.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 17, 2019 11:15:50 GMT -5
It’s like pottery.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 17, 2019 11:26:47 GMT -5
If we’re being pedantic about it, Luke never fought Palpatine, either. Well, it doesn't specify which villain the apprentice went off to fight.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 17, 2019 11:47:47 GMT -5
If we’re being pedantic about it, Luke never fought Palpatine, either. Well, it doesn't specify which villain the apprentice went off to fight. During the second movie of the trilogy the apprentice jedi went off to fight his most hated villain: sand... people
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