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Post by Starshine on Jul 17, 2018 18:35:56 GMT -5
Ever since 2014 or so, Vince and crew have had full wood at the thought of making Roman Reigns their next top guy at Wrestlemania. In 2015, they got cold feet due to aggressively negative crowds. But they also had another viable option that seemed reasonable in Rollins. Fair enough. But then a year later they get their wish, Reigns beats Trips, wins the belt, and now everything was well... Wait no, I mean wellness. Reigns drugs up, gets suspended and is gone for a spell. Anyway he comes back, and they're understandably gun shy on him again. Fine, I get that. But even then he was closing Mania again a little later, and it that didn't take away the fact we'd already seen him crowned on the big show. If all they wanted was that stat, they were home free. They could also do some of their creative crowd editing to make it look like he had the entire crowd behind him.
So then, what's the deal? Why did they have to go back a step? Was it because the match wasn't good? Because the crowd was cold? Is it really so damn important he takes the belt from Lesnar? If so, why not just do the rematch there instead? It's not like Brock had anything important going on then. In short, why wasn't the Mania 32 result enough for them? I've never been able to wrap my mind around it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 17, 2018 18:45:41 GMT -5
Even though the match wasn't good, Reigns made up for it with bangers against AJ and Seth the next few months. Having Roman win the title twice before Mania didn't help, as it furthered the idea that he was being shoved down our throats. After he dropped the title to Seth, he got in trouble for the Wellnes failure and that stalled his momentum. Though he was in title matches and the main event often, he didn't do a ton in the back half of 2016. From there, we got Goldberg and Brock, which has led to where we are today.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 17, 2018 18:56:42 GMT -5
They seemed to be going with the whole Roman thing just fine, but then his Wellness violation hit and they backed off just a touch. Not cooling off on him for f***ing up when he was in the place they wanted him, just kind of backing off a little. I think in their minds it's not really a success until the audience accepts it. That's all there is to it. In their minds people only boo Roman out of spite and jealousy because the company is more of an echo chamber than the closet I lock myself in so I can pretend to be a bat. In their minds, eventually people will get tired and accept they love Roman, and then finally he can beat Brock and become the guy.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 17, 2018 19:00:06 GMT -5
They seemed to be going with the whole Roman thing just fine, but then his Wellness violation hit and they backed off just a touch. Not cooling off on him for f***ing up when he was in the place they wanted him, just kind of backing off a little. I think in their minds it's not really a success until the audience accepts it. That's all there is to it. In their minds people only boo Roman out of spite and jealousy because the company is more of an echo chamber than the closet I lock myself in so I can pretend to be a bat. In their minds, eventually people will get tired and accept they love Roman, and then finally he can beat Brock and become the guy. Yup. Remember the narrative in the industry (and now a concerning and disappointing amount of internet fans as well) is that people only boo to "seem cool". They figure what's "cool" will eventually change and they're just gonna ride out that wave. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Jul 17, 2018 19:00:32 GMT -5
We are too meta now as an audience. We see exactly what they are up to. Putting the heel authority figure against the guy you can't get over as a baby face makes things worse.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 17, 2018 19:01:27 GMT -5
Going against the McMahons was the only thing that got Reigns cheered. December 2015 was weird, we had unironic "let's go Roman" chants...in Philly. I suspect they thought it would last and stuck him with the only McMahon that can wrestle. It didn't.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 17, 2018 19:09:57 GMT -5
We are too meta now as an audience. We see exactly what they are up to. Putting the heel authority figure against the guy you can't get over as a baby face makes things worse. Yet, babyface pushes have failed in the past (Diesel, for example). It’s just so bizarre the way they’ve been treading water on this guy all this time, even in spite of reaching their supposed goal. The issue of the crowd not loving him is the only thing that seems to jive. But it’s amazing to think they would drag it out this far. This might be the biggest example of group think in WWE history. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 19:13:19 GMT -5
Vince's big ego. If it doesn't happen the way he wants he'll keep redoing it until it happens. Roman is going to keep getting these WM wins (and journeys) until he's cheered ending a WM. By any means necessary.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 17, 2018 19:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 17, 2018 19:23:27 GMT -5
They seemed to be going with the whole Roman thing just fine, but then his Wellness violation hit and they backed off just a touch. Not cooling off on him for f***ing up when he was in the place they wanted him, just kind of backing off a little. I think in their minds it's not really a success until the audience accepts it. That's all there is to it. In their minds people only boo Roman out of spite and jealousy because the company is more of an echo chamber than the closet I lock myself in so I can pretend to be a bat. In their minds, eventually people will get tired and accept they love Roman, and then finally he can beat Brock and become the guy. Yup. Remember the narrative in the industry (and now a concerning and disappointing amount of internet fans as well) is that people only boo to "seem cool". They figure what's "cool" will eventually change and they're just gonna ride out that wave. WWE more or less tries to gaslight their audience into accepting who they want them to accept. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 17, 2018 19:32:32 GMT -5
I genuinely think that they think Roman beating Brock is gonna be some "magic bullet" that puts him over the top and FINALLY helps the crowd turn the corner with him. It's an asinine theory, but it's there.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 17, 2018 19:35:57 GMT -5
I genuinely think that they think Roman beating Brock is gonna be some "magic bullet" that puts him over the top and FINALLY helps the crowd turn the corner with him. It's an asinine theory, but it's there. The way the fans have really turned on Brock lately I KINDA get their thinking but.. no. As soon as Brock is there delivering suplex after suplex then that wank pheasant has no chance. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 19, 2018 15:27:11 GMT -5
I genuinely think that they think Roman beating Brock is gonna be some "magic bullet" that puts him over the top and FINALLY helps the crowd turn the corner with him. It's an asinine theory, but it's there. The way the fans have really turned on Brock lately I KINDA get their thinking but.. no. As soon as Brock is there delivering suplex after suplex then that wank pheasant has no chance. I think they're really succeeding in making Brock less over as a face (he isn't a face but he kind of exists outside of alignment anyway) but it won't then manifest as Roman being cheered against him, just booing of the whole match. |
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Post by Facetious on Jul 19, 2018 15:38:06 GMT -5
The way the fans have really turned on Brock lately I KINDA get their thinking but.. no. As soon as Brock is there delivering suplex after suplex then that wank pheasant has no chance. I think they're really succeeding in making Brock less over as a face (he isn't a face but he kind of exists outside of alignment anyway) but it won't then manifest as Roman being cheered against him, just booing of the whole match. I feel like it'll be between Lesnar/Goldberg Mania XX and Reigns/Mahal crowd reaction wise. They literally siphoned Brock's popularity in hopes of getting Reigns over and I think it's going to backfire horribly. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 19, 2018 15:55:42 GMT -5
It already backfired. What I would do is just Goldberg/Lesnar again and have Reigns flat out stomp him in 90 seconds. It's really all Lesnar deserves at this point and if you're going to make a guy, then just make him already. Then Strowman cashes in and there's the actual main event.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 19, 2018 17:46:47 GMT -5
I think they're really succeeding in making Brock less over as a face (he isn't a face but he kind of exists outside of alignment anyway) but it won't then manifest as Roman being cheered against him, just booing of the whole match. I feel like it'll be between Lesnar/Goldberg Mania XX and Reigns/Mahal crowd reaction wise. They literally siphoned Brock's popularity in hopes of getting Reigns over and I think it's going to backfire horribly. yeah I agree. brock still has enough people who like to see him destroy people and if the person in question is roman that will keep brock's end of the reactions from dropping to jinder levels of not caring. roman's side of the equation will remain unchanged |
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Post by DSR on Jul 20, 2018 1:13:36 GMT -5
In their minds, eventually people will get tired and accept they love Roman, and then finally he can beat Brock and become the guy. They stayed the course with John Cena as their Ace through 10 years of divisive chants, 'til eventually even the "Cena Sucks" half of the audience was like "dude really is pretty dope, tho" (ignoring the dwindling TV ratings and the empty side of the arena the camera doesn't show). I'm sure in their minds they're over the hump towards universal acceptance of Roman. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 20, 2018 1:39:51 GMT -5
I genuinely think that they think Roman beating Brock is gonna be some "magic bullet" that puts him over the top and FINALLY helps the crowd turn the corner with him. It's an asinine theory, but it's there. The way the fans have really turned on Brock lately I KINDA get their thinking but.. no. As soon as Brock is there delivering suplex after suplex then that wank pheasant has no chance. They've got the fans pretty against Brock at this point, but that was not a good thing at Mania 34 because it just meant the crowd had no dog in the fight and completely checked out. If it's Reigns vs. Lesnar III at Summerslam, it's going to be more of the same. |
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Post by government mule on Jul 20, 2018 5:03:25 GMT -5
I forget Reigns has already sort of had his 'WM title moment' when beating HHH, a million times more than some people would get. It feels like its been kinda lost amongst the Undertaker match and the various Lesnar shenanigans.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 20, 2018 5:04:47 GMT -5
by the time they did it the well was already poisoned. also, Triple H is kinda low-hanging fruit and it was too transparent what they were trying to do.
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