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Post by hassanchop on Aug 30, 2018 0:38:45 GMT -5
I just wonder how the Canadian wrestlers will fare or if they’ll have a night off since, search it yourself
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 3:43:47 GMT -5
WWE patting themselves on the back for trying to fix a problem they were essentially the cause of in the "Get back in the Kitchen Era" is f***ing disgusting. The way they talk about it is never acknowledging that they were in any way at fault. The narrative is that these women stepped up, and proved that women could actually wrestle. What actually happened is that WWE never gave them a chance to shine giving them maybe 5 minutes a week to do their thing. Look, I don't care that they're doing this thing with Saudi Arabia. It's a business and they're getting a ludicrous amount for it. My issue is that they're still acting like they're spearheading change for women, while they're in bed with one of the most oppressive regimes for women on the face of God's earth. Well said. Unfortunately every time Stephanie comes to the ring, announces a “historic” moment, and the women all come out crying and hugging like they just found out women had the right to vote for the first time, the audience (in the arena and at home) will accept it. Boggles my mind, but Stephanie plays the media and the fans like a violin without getting any backlash. The WWE actually has footage available everywhere showing how unfairly THEY treated women, but it’s forgotten. Like you I don’t care that they do shows over there. Make money where you can. I respect that about Vince. It’s the propaganda that annoys the hell out of me. Complain to sponsors about Hogan, Moolah, etc, but the company is fine because they provide the wrestling fix. That’s the reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 8:06:37 GMT -5
The Daivaris will come back just to get beaten up after saying more pro-Iranian rhetoric.
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Post by chronocross on Aug 30, 2018 8:10:45 GMT -5
Whatever happened to those guys that did the segment with the Daivaris? I know they were in some training with Albert and the others but nothing since the GRR.
As for this show, I remember hearing talks they were coming back there in November, shortly after the GRR show. I'm sure WWE will get some heat over it but as long as they are getting paid, I don't think they'll care too much about it.
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 30, 2018 8:58:56 GMT -5
WWE patting themselves on the back for trying to fix a problem they were essentially the cause of in the "Get back in the Kitchen Era" is f***ing disgusting. The way they talk about it is never acknowledging that they were in any way at fault. The narrative is that these women stepped up, and proved that women could actually wrestle. What actually happened is that WWE never gave them a chance to shine giving them maybe 5 minutes a week to do their thing. Look, I don't care that they're doing this thing with Saudi Arabia. It's a business and they're getting a ludicrous amount for it. My issue is that they're still acting like they're spearheading change for women, while they're in bed with one of the most oppressive regimes for women on the face of God's earth. Well said. Unfortunately every time Stephanie comes to the ring, announces a “historic” moment, and the women all come out crying and hugging like they just found out women had the right to vote for the first time, the audience (in the arena and at home) will accept it. Boggles my mind, but Stephanie plays the media and the fans like a violin without getting any backlash. The WWE actually has footage available everywhere showing how unfairly THEY treated women, but it’s forgotten. Like you I don’t care that they do shows over there. Make money where you can. I respect that about Vince. It’s the propaganda that annoys the hell out of me. Complain to sponsors about Hogan, Moolah, etc, but the company is fine because they provide the wrestling fix. That’s the reality. It boggles your mind that the women dare have a genuine emotion? Because that is all it was. Internet fans are simply blowing it way out of proportion.
As for Saudi Araiba, you can't change overnight. They are trying to change. WWE wants to help in any way they can. I would think if you were truly outraged by oppression, you would encourage everything that would help make the cnages they are trying to make instead of calling it a lost cause and not even bothering.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 30, 2018 9:14:14 GMT -5
Whatever happened to those guys that did the segment with the Daivaris? I know they were in some training with Albert and the others but nothing since the GRR. As for this show, I remember hearing talks they were coming back there in November, shortly after the GRR show. I'm sure WWE will get some heat over it but as long as they are getting paid, I don't think they'll care too much about it. One of them has been appearing on newLegacy streams fairly often; dude is still too young to be hired by the WWE.
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Post by eJm on Aug 30, 2018 10:46:23 GMT -5
Whatever happened to those guys that did the segment with the Daivaris? I know they were in some training with Albert and the others but nothing since the GRR. As for this show, I remember hearing talks they were coming back there in November, shortly after the GRR show. I'm sure WWE will get some heat over it but as long as they are getting paid, I don't think they'll care too much about it. One of them has been appearing on newLegacy streams fairly often; dude is still too young to be hired by the WWE. He does a lot of So Cal indie dates at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 11:22:08 GMT -5
Well said. Unfortunately every time Stephanie comes to the ring, announces a “historic” moment, and the women all come out crying and hugging like they just found out women had the right to vote for the first time, the audience (in the arena and at home) will accept it. Boggles my mind, but Stephanie plays the media and the fans like a violin without getting any backlash. The WWE actually has footage available everywhere showing how unfairly THEY treated women, but it’s forgotten. Like you I don’t care that they do shows over there. Make money where you can. I respect that about Vince. It’s the propaganda that annoys the hell out of me. Complain to sponsors about Hogan, Moolah, etc, but the company is fine because they provide the wrestling fix. That’s the reality. It boggles your mind that the women dare have a genuine emotion? Because that is all it was. Internet fans are simply blowing it way out of proportion.
As for Saudi Araiba, you can't change overnight. They are trying to change. WWE wants to help in any way they can. I would think if you were truly outraged by oppression, you would encourage everything that would help make the cnages they are trying to make instead of calling it a lost cause and not even bothering.
Here's a hot take; corporations don't want to stir the pot in Saudi Arabia. Sure, human rights are atrocious there, but think of the money! They willingly look the other way because they don't want to lose out on those fat checks, so if you believe WWE is going to be championing for equality there, I got some oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell.
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 30, 2018 18:59:25 GMT -5
It boggles your mind that the women dare have a genuine emotion? Because that is all it was. Internet fans are simply blowing it way out of proportion.
As for Saudi Araiba, you can't change overnight. They are trying to change. WWE wants to help in any way they can. I would think if you were truly outraged by oppression, you would encourage everything that would help make the cnages they are trying to make instead of calling it a lost cause and not even bothering.
Here's a hot take; corporations don't want to stir the pot in Saudi Arabia. Sure, human rights are atrocious there, but think of the money! They willingly look the other way because they don't want to lose out on those fat checks, so if you believe WWE is going to be championing for equality there, I got some oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell. If you think it is only about the money, then it's you who are naive. The royal family wants to change the ways of the ricountry. We should be embracing that. We should be helping that. What we shouldn't be doing is nothing then whining about their oppression. There is a lot of money, but the opportunity to be an agent of change, to help stop the oppression is priceless and no amount of millions is better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 19:13:01 GMT -5
Here's a hot take; corporations don't want to stir the pot in Saudi Arabia. Sure, human rights are atrocious there, but think of the money! They willingly look the other way because they don't want to lose out on those fat checks, so if you believe WWE is going to be championing for equality there, I got some oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell. If you think it is only about the money, then it's you who are naive. The royal family wants to change the ways of the ricountry. We should be embracing that. We should be helping that. What we shouldn't be doing is nothing then whining about their oppression. There is a lot of money, but the opportunity to be an agent of change, to help stop the oppression is priceless and no amount of millions is better than that. The royal family doesn't want to do that; they know that if they SAY those things, people will accept it and not bother asking further questions because platitudes and pablum are easier than actually changing hundreds of years of culture just so they could be culturally accepted by people who just want oil. Also, WWE did everything to avoid pissing off the Saudis. None of the women came because the culture mandates that women can't participate in sport. The Daivaris were brought in just to be embarrassed because Saudis hate Iran due to the fact that Iran is one of the few Shiite-dominated countries in the Islamic world, while most Islamic countries have Sunnis in charge that make life a living hell to Shiites. Sami Zayn not being part of the show was similar because Syria is also a Shiite country. If they were interested in helping the change, they could have used that show to challenge the status quo; instead, they embraced it. WWE is hardly a force of change, historically. If anything, they are one of the most reactive companies in America, where they only adapt because the world around them is changing and they don't want to be a dinosaur, and yet they are still regarded as such due to how slow the change is. And, mods, I'm aware I may have towed the line somewhere, but the point had to be addressed this one time.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 30, 2018 19:26:40 GMT -5
It’s important to remember Saudi Arabia isn’t some sort of cultural vacuum. They’re a developed nation with internet connections and an aggressive interest in western culture. Are they backwards as hell by western standards in some ways? f*** yes. But WWE going over there is absolutely a step in the right direction. Fans over there don’t shut off their stream when the women come on. Enough live events and they’re going to wonder why exactly the women can’t come over to perform in person, and at a certain point “it’s sinful” simply isn’t going to be a good enough explanation.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 30, 2018 19:29:45 GMT -5
Well at least Charlotte won't win.
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Post by ryanjoste on Aug 30, 2018 19:34:37 GMT -5
If you think it is only about the money, then it's you who are naive. The royal family wants to change the ways of the ricountry. We should be embracing that. We should be helping that. What we shouldn't be doing is nothing then whining about their oppression. There is a lot of money, but the opportunity to be an agent of change, to help stop the oppression is priceless and no amount of millions is better than that. The royal family doesn't want to do that; they know that if they SAY those things, people will accept it and not bother asking further questions because platitudes and pablum are easier than actually changing hundreds of years of culture just so they could be culturally accepted by people who just want oil. Also, WWE did everything to avoid pissing off the Saudis. None of the women came because the culture mandates that women can't participate in sport. The Daivaris were brought in just to be embarrassed because Saudis hate Iran due to the fact that Iran is one of the few Shiite-dominated countries in the Islamic world, while most Islamic countries have Sunnis in charge that make life a living hell to Shiites. Sami Zayn not being part of the show was similar because Syria is also a Shiite country. If they were interested in helping the change, they could have used that show to challenge the status quo; instead, they embraced it. WWE is hardly a force of change, historically. If anything, they are one of the most reactive companies in America, where they only adapt because the world around them is changing and they don't want to be a dinosaur, and yet they are still regarded as such due to how slow the change is. And, mods, I'm aware I may have towed the line somewhere, but the point had to be addressed this one time. ANd you know that how? Do you know them personally? Because if you see what is going on, changes are happening. Very slowly, but they are happening. Saudi women competed in the Olympics for the first time in 2016. So, yes, women are now being allowed to compete in sport now.
BTW, Sami Zayn wasn't there because he chose not to go, not because he was banned. He even stated this himself.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 30, 2018 19:37:30 GMT -5
Self awareness is for poor people apparently.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 30, 2018 20:15:20 GMT -5
WWE could not facilitate the changing of a diaper with an instruction manual, so the idea that slow but sure progress is going to creep into Saudi Arabia of all f***ing places via Curt Hawkins and Gran Metalik and that this is about anything but money and WWE's constant and transparent desperation for positive PR no matter what is as absurd as it is laughable. WWE is an awful, awful company ran by an immoral pig and his gutless family. Lucky for them though, literally nothing is going to change.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Aug 30, 2018 20:22:34 GMT -5
If you think it is only about the money, then it's you who are naive. The royal family wants to change the ways of the ricountry. We should be embracing that. We should be helping that. What we shouldn't be doing is nothing then whining about their oppression. There is a lot of money, but the opportunity to be an agent of change, to help stop the oppression is priceless and no amount of millions is better than that. The royal family doesn't want to do that; they know that if they SAY those things, people will accept it and not bother asking further questions because platitudes and pablum are easier than actually changing hundreds of years of culture just so they could be culturally accepted by people who just want oil. Also, WWE did everything to avoid pissing off the Saudis. None of the women came because the culture mandates that women can't participate in sport. The Daivaris were brought in just to be embarrassed because Saudis hate Iran due to the fact that Iran is one of the few Shiite-dominated countries in the Islamic world, while most Islamic countries have Sunnis in charge that make life a living hell to Shiites. Sami Zayn not being part of the show was similar because Syria is also a Shiite country. If they were interested in helping the change, they could have used that show to challenge the status quo; instead, they embraced it. WWE is hardly a force of change, historically. If anything, they are one of the most reactive companies in America, where they only adapt because the world around them is changing and they don't want to be a dinosaur, and yet they are still regarded as such due to how slow the change is. And, mods, I'm aware I may have towed the line somewhere, but the point had to be addressed this one time. Syria is not a wholly Shi'a country--it's a melting pot of a bunch of different religions and ethnic groups, Shi'a and Alawite being just two of them. You're mostly on the money though. My biggest issue with this is not the fact that Saudi Arabia is a country with a dreadful human rights record. I won't sit here and think I know what's best for another country. But, what the Saudi government is doing to Yemen right now is beyond inhumane, and if it were up to me, I would suspend any deals with them until they cease with their military actions. I also apologize for breaking any rules regarding politics.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 30, 2018 20:39:26 GMT -5
Ok pull it back folks... lots of posts in here getting political. This is not and has never been the place for that. It’s important to remember Saudi Arabia isn’t some sort of cultural vacuum. They’re a developed nation with internet connections and an aggressive interest in western culture. Are they backwards as hell by western standards in some ways? f*** yes. But WWE going over there is absolutely a step in the right direction. Fans over there don’t shut off their stream when the women come on. Enough live events and they’re going to wonder why exactly the women can’t come over to perform in person, and at a certain point “it’s sinful” simply isn’t going to be a good enough explanation. As I said there was talk shortly afterwards that the next time WWE came women would be allowed to compete. Whether anything happened with that... I don't know....
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 30, 2018 20:44:30 GMT -5
As I said there was talk shortly afterwards that the next time WWE came women would be allowed to compete. Whether anything happened with that... I don't know.... FREEZE FRAME NARRATOR DANIEL STERN: It didn't
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Post by segaz on Aug 31, 2018 2:21:59 GMT -5
In the bright side I guess the woman get to spend some time home? And paid twice the amount they were paid last time. If sumo guy doesn't show up I don't give a f***. Damn right he should return! Bring Virgil in and have the sumo guy squash him, then make a post match interview about how dangerous the sumo guy is: Oh man Remy Young, when he came down, and threw me over the top rope, it was like the Titanic fallin' on you man, it just like knocked all the wind, and it was all the life out of me, man. I don't know what hit me. One thing I have to say, Remy Young. This Hirogi Zumi, whatever Triple Haitch brought for the South Arabia show, this man is a MENACE, man he's DANGEROUS, man and I gotta tell all the GUYS of the WWE, especially the WWE champion, AC Stye, and the WWE Universe champion, Rome Ray, brothers! You definitely got your hands full now. This man is a MENACE to society.I got that without looking at the link. Hooray for me! On point though, I'm not sure what people expect the WWE to do. Openly declare war on Saudi Arabia?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 31, 2018 3:06:58 GMT -5
The opinions I care about most are the two I saw from actual Saudis. Both said the show was a step forward for the company and women were allowed to buy tickets to such a show for the first time.
I'm pretty sure Evolution is partially to account for the missed payday on this big show.
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