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Post by petef3 on Sept 26, 2018 18:03:18 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. I absolutely hate this. A wrestler's focus should not be on aesthetics. I mean, if you have ONE guy who sets out to "put on a show," that's fine if he's special and one-of-a-kind. But yeah, everyone on the roster doing this is mind-numbing. |
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 26, 2018 18:17:39 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. Imagine a wrestler whose entire character is this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 18:22:12 GMT -5
The Taker/Shawn retirement match is better than the previous year's. That first one is good but there's nothing really on the line except the streak and Shawn's profile wasn't going to be effected either way.
The retirement match had an epic build and real drama behind it. Everything mattered.
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Post by WWEedy on Sept 26, 2018 18:31:51 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. I maintain it's one of the main reason Dolph Ziggler never really got anywhere. Once his character became only about stealing the show and putting on the match of the night every night (even when that wasn't true) there was really no salvaging him into anything but a midcard player. Dude was literally as one dimensional as it gets and that one dimension goes against everything that wrestling is about, trying to beat your opponent and win. |
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Post by petef3 on Sept 26, 2018 19:14:48 GMT -5
Brian Pillman, Jr. had a bit of a run-in with a Twitter follower criticizing him for his part in a quadruple-sleeper spot on some indy show...which reminds me: I was never really all that gaga over Brian's too-cool-for-school, shooty-shoot act in 1996. Even at the time when everyone else was losing their minds over it, my only thought was the same as what Dusty Rhodes told Paul E. once: "Where's the money?" What was this leading to? Pillman vs. Bischoff on PPV?
(Of course it led to money for Pillman which was his whole point, but his bank account was never really our concern, now was it?)
Paul E. had a much better grasp of what to actually do with Pillman than Eric...or possibly Brian himself. At least he had an endgame he was building to (Pillman vs. Douglas) before realizing it was never going to be feasible. In the end, I kind of appreciated Steve Austin completely overshadowing and emaciating Pillman, right to his face, with an even more unhinged and dangerous character who incidentally also knew how to cut a money promo hyping an actual match.
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 26, 2018 22:37:55 GMT -5
Gene Okerlund is a sleaze and was never anywhere near as talented or funny as he seemed to think he was.
The entire Kane-Undertaker long-lost brother/dead parents/shooting lighting bolts feud was garbage.
Fake Razor and Diesel was a great concept. The WWF screwed it up by not having them target Shawn Michaels, who should have been outraged that these guys were trying to pass themselves off as his friends Razor and Diesel.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 27, 2018 11:27:37 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan's commentary is massively overrated, his jokes were dated and questionable even for the time. He deserves nothing but scorn for his WCW run, everyone on commentary there faced the sane issues, had the same lack of creative input, but he was the only one who... I won't say halfassed it, that gives him too much credit, often he eigthassed it. Schiavone had to deal with being the mouthpiece for Bischoff's idiocy, but he went out there and did his best, while Heenan just cashed his cheque and went out there, drank and stank.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 27, 2018 17:56:32 GMT -5
I miss Jason Jordan.
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Post by fw91 on Sept 27, 2018 17:58:55 GMT -5
12 Rounds is a very watchable movie.
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Post by KobashiChop on Sept 27, 2018 18:42:30 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. Follow-up sacrilegious opinion: We as fans are to blame for this. We've become obsessed with work rate and blowing up the importance of Meltzers star ratings to the point where we get outraged when our favourite match only gets 4.75 stars. Wrestlers have adapted and now talk about being great performers. I LOVED when Heyman was doing his schtick at Survivor Series vs AJ Styles and he referenced this beautifully. "Fighting, yeah get that Mr. Performer, FIGHTING OUT OF THE RED CORNER" Wrestlers should talk about wanting to win the match. The great performance should be a byproduct of that. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 29, 2018 11:38:02 GMT -5
I loved the Ric Flair/Randy Savage match in September 1992 in Hershey for the title. I know Vince was pissed about the first take that had been filmed earlier and he made them re-do it, but the bout that eventually did make air was really entertaining.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 29, 2018 11:43:04 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. I maintain it's one of the main reason Dolph Ziggler never really got anywhere. Once his character became only about stealing the show and putting on the match of the night every night (even when that wasn't true) there was really no salvaging him into anything but a midcard player. Dude was literally as one dimensional as it gets and that one dimension goes against everything that wrestling is about, trying to beat your opponent and win. I agree. If a worker is known for having great matches, then yeah, their character can and should be proud of it in kayfabe. Nothing inherently wrong with that. But all the characters and the announce team should be concerned primarily with match results. The belts and the winner's purse. It keeps the stakes high. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 29, 2018 15:06:29 GMT -5
The attitude era was completely unnecessary. Things like Stone cold's feud with McMahon, and the rise of The Rock were already happening organically. Vince didn't need to make every single inch of the company edgy. All it did was force wrestlers to be in story lines that were edgy for the sake of being edgy. I think it’s more a sign of the times if anything. WWE’s likes to tout the Attitude Era now like they were some kind of trailblazers, when in reality they were just years behind culture trends (as usual). From about 1994 on, everything was trying to be edgy. Particularly sports. The MLB on Fox promos in the 90s practically look like they’re hyping an MMA fight. WWE gets credit for doing the 90s edge better than anyone else and capturing the zeitgeist, but they really were just following well established trends. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 30, 2018 8:19:34 GMT -5
"Disfigured" Cody Rhodes was the same old boring Cody Rhodes in a mask. Get that "He was the Doctor Doom of wrestling!!" mess out of here.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 30, 2018 9:01:30 GMT -5
"Disfigured" Cody Rhodes was the same old boring Cody Rhodes in a mask. Get that "He was the Doctor Doom of wrestling!!" mess out of here. That voice that he'd do where he was making that awful "warrrrrrrrrrrrrrlllllllllll" noise (at least, that's what it sounded like to me) underneath everything else he was saying was the dirt worst. |
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Sept 30, 2018 11:04:26 GMT -5
I actually don't mind faces cheating in certain circumstances. If you're in a match with a heel who's been giving you grief and repeatedly cheating, costing you matches, and the referee's back is turned, then go for the eyes. Fish hook them. Rake their back. Give them a piece of their own medicine.
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Post by corndog on Sept 30, 2018 12:14:24 GMT -5
The attitude era was completely unnecessary. Things like Stone cold's feud with McMahon, and the rise of The Rock were already happening organically. Vince didn't need to make every single inch of the company edgy. All it did was force wrestlers to be in story lines that were edgy for the sake of being edgy. I think it’s more a sign of the times if anything. WWE’s likes to tout the Attitude Era now like they were some kind of trailblazers, when in reality they were just years behind culture trends (as usual). From about 1994 on, everything was trying to be edgy. Particularly sports. The MLB on Fox promos in the 90s practically look like they’re hyping an MMA fight. WWE gets credit for doing the 90s edge better than anyone else and capturing the zeitgeist, but they really were just following well established trends. This is definitely true, things were getting edgier in the early 90s. Heck Fox had the Simpsons, Married with Children and In Living Color going on in 1989. The WWE wasn't ahead of the curve, they were behind by a few years. Even WCW was slightly ahead because of the nWo angle. Now once they got there, they went pretty damn far, but in reality they should have started to become more edgy in 93/94 to keep up when they were heavily geared to children and a PG audience. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 30, 2018 21:14:07 GMT -5
I’ll add one: I love Wrestlemania XII. I thought the build was great, it had satisfying blowoffs to some very good feuds and at the time I thought it was one of the best shows I had ever seen. I still watch it now and enjoy it.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 1, 2018 11:48:07 GMT -5
I don't like it when wrestlers go and cut promos about wanting to have good matches. Kayfabe wise, you'd like to have good performances but the main goal is to win and it bothers me that some wrestlers focus more about having "match of the night" or "stealing the show" instead of winning. Imagine a wrestler whose entire character is this. So Dolph Ziggler? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan has acted like a heel on screen and in real life since his retirement. It's testament to just how damned over he is that he is still utterly beloved.
And I still can't bring myself to watch him wrestle.
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