Post by willywonka666 on Dec 30, 2006 19:37:11 GMT -5
I appreciate Kiss as well, the conventions are very cool places to go to, I've got a few concerts from them, and I'm anxious to see what's on the upcoming Kissologies-sadly I've read they didn't properly film the Hot In The Shade Tour-so I dunno how they'll handle some of the concerts
Post by MCP Hates You on Dec 30, 2006 19:41:39 GMT -5
I appreciate KISS. But I'll tell you what I don't appreciate: Paul Stanley. I hate him and his stupid red lipstick. Star Child? LAME.
Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time For y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe I was not offended For I knew I had to rise above it all Or drown in my own sh**.
Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 30, 2006 19:44:27 GMT -5
I use to LOVE KISS, until they put someoen else in Ace and Peter's make-up. That broke the camels back so to speak for me.
I grew up listening to KISS, in fact the first album I ever bought myself was a KISS album, "Unmasked". Got a Gene Simmons Mego doll for my 4th birthday.
The first concert I ever went to was a KISS concert. "Lick it up Tour". When they took of the Make-up.
KISS was GREAT until 1980, thats my cutoff, After that it became the Gene and Paul show, and now..pfff it's a joke.
76-79 they were gods and untouchable. Almost like the American Beatles, each member singing their own songs, each member had their own fan base. etc... (Not comparing quality, just the Beatlemania to Kissmania)
But around the end of the Farwell tour I started to lose hope when they put Fricken Eric Singer in Peter's make-up. with Gene saying "it's not about the person who wears the make-up it's about the makeup itself"....Whatever Gene you huging rear canal.
After that I sold my HUGE Kiss collection. I even had some stage worn stuff, and Both versions of the Pinball machine. US and German, the German had regular S's
These are only 2 glass cases from an entire room I had full of stuff. All vintage. The only thing I have left is an autograph and an Eric Carr prototype Halloween mask.
I feel sorry for people who go and see them now, but man vintage KISS was great.
Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2006 19:55:43 GMT -5
Oh, on the symphony one, they are outside before the show interviewing people as they are coming in. And one guy wants peter to play dirty livin', "if they don't play anything from the elder, I'll be screaming bloody murder", and everything else, and it's just hilarious knowing the set list of that tour and show, and then picturing him after going nuts over it, lol.
I love that too, lol. They show that on the confidential video too, where eric singer says sometimes he get "so enraptured in what he's doing..he forgets the words sometimes.." and paul jumps in "nooooooooo" , lol.
I have a show they did before the 04 poison tour in austrailia, and they do parasite, and gene completely forgets the words in the beginning, and looks to paul for help, and paul just smiles at him like "you're on your own" lol. So gene just starts yelling "aaaahh, oh oh oh oh, ooooooh, yeeeeahhh" in time to the song.
That's one thing I like about the recent "post-Farewell" tours. That they actually try and mix things up every night and pull out songs that hadn't been performed in 30 years or sometimes ever. I'm a setlist junkie so I get excited when I see things changed up.
Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 30, 2006 19:58:03 GMT -5
That was another problem, the damn setlist was always lame. I remember when they were getting ready for the Psycho Circus tour and they said they were going to play other songs like "Love' Em Leave 'Em". But instead we got the same setlist as the reunion - a few, plus PS songs, including "Within" which SUCKS live!
Here comes Dreamer with the chair cause he's fat..
Patti Mayonnaise Believes in Adrian Veidt, as Should We All.
It sucks on the record too, lol. You go from the upbeat psycho circus, and all of a sudden this slow tempo grunge song comes on...huh??
And agreed on the set list thing too. Peter especially on the last tour was just slower paced, so getting eric was much better. And having eric and tommy means they can play the other songs now too at least (though tommy didn't do the 'tears are falling' solo like bruce did - the "enter the chorus again" one, but still, at least they did it, lol).
The reunion tour, circus tour, farewell tour, and 03/peter tour were all basically the same list, with a variation here and there. Now they can mix it up.
Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 30, 2006 20:02:16 GMT -5
One of the nights Al Snow was doing the head bit, when they would come out first and throw everybody a styro wig head. I got everybody in my row to let me draw KISS make-up on the heads. One even made it to the ring as a weapon.
Here comes Dreamer with the chair cause he's fat..
Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2006 21:15:40 GMT -5
I think I may actually prefer Eric Carr as a drummer. Comparing him with Peter Criss is like comparing apples and oranges (entirely different styles) but I still lean more towards Carr. Carr Jam 1981 is one of the best drum solos I've ever heard
Post by lildude8218 on Dec 30, 2006 23:40:27 GMT -5
Funny story. Right before the convention I went to, Bruce Kulick did a radio interview down here on the local talk station and they asked him what character he would have chosen if he had to wear makeup and he said "I dunno, probably a dog or something"
Post by Urn Anderson on Dec 31, 2006 0:21:34 GMT -5
Ever since I was a kid, my two favorite artists have been KISS and Alice Cooper. KISS really is the image you get in your head when you think "rock star." I was lucky enough to see the original lineup twice on the reunion tour. It's a shame that Gene and Paul are basically members of a KISS tribute band now. Let's hope that KISS will be remembered for what another poster accurately described as the American counterpart to Beatlemania.
To the poster with the collection pictures: I would love to see some photos of that Eric Carr halloween mask. Was there also one of those plastic jumpsuits to go along with it?
Post by imnotbooked on Dec 31, 2006 0:30:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I absolutely hate Kiss, and here's why. I'll tell you a little story. NYC 73/74ish
Band 1 is just starting out. Band 2 is playing out to sold out clubs all around NYC. Band 1 get rehearsal space in same building as Band 2, and eventually signed by same management team as Band 2. Said team focuses their energy on Band 1 and forgets Band 2, leaving them high and dry.
Band 1 is of course Kiss. Band 2 is the New York Dolls.
You owe it to yourself if you have ever at any point in your life listened to Kiss and thought it was OK, to check the Dolls out. They invented the sound that Kiss took and sold however many records they sold. I'd take Thunders Johansen Sylvain Kane and Nolan over those clowns any day. They were raw. They were in. They were the trendsetters. No one would of been painting their faces like a demon in 77 if it wasn't for the Dolls. Kiss realized that to be a huge band and make it big they had to replace the eyeliner and high heels with face paint and platform boots. More importantly they took the attitude. I give Kiss props for being a huge marketing machine, but I hate them for warping the sound of the Dolls into something commercial and horrible.
Listen to Trash. Listen to Subway Train, Listen to PERSONALITY CRISIS for god sakes, and then tell me who has more heart and soul. The band that had to throw it all away for the other to piss on their legacy? Or the band who stomped on the dying carcass of the other in search of their name in lights.
Post by imnotbooked on Dec 31, 2006 2:19:02 GMT -5
I've checked the Dolls out in the past and was not impressed. "Human Being" is ok I guess but I think I prefer the GNR version.
KISS has always mention the New York Dolls when talking about how they started out and how they wanted to be something different than them.
and ironically The New York Dolls are back together as of 2004 and touring plus supposedly working on a new album.
You don't have to tell me! ;D The New album is amazing and I've already seen the Dolls 4 times since they reformed!
I don't mean to sound like a whiner, but I'd like to share another quick story with you.
This is about another great band that just wasn't at the right place, at the right time. They were called Another Pretty Face, written by a family member of one of the group.
The early ’70s was the glam era, the Ziggy Stardust era, when it was fashionable to be both gay and from outer space. It was the era of T. Rex, Mott the Hoople, Roxy Music... and Another Pretty Face.
Another Pretty Face? Okay, they didn’t hit it big, so you probably never heard of them. They were my uncle’s band. If you were a college student in Pennsylvania or New York in those days you may have seen them. Maybe.
My uncle once told me a story about how, after a gig in New York City featuring several bands, they were all sitting around drinking and talking.
A guy from one of the other bands was saying how much they loved Another Pretty Face, how they thought the act was so cool—especially the whole boys-wearing-makeup thing.
We gotta try that, said the guy. He seemed really hyped. Gotta do the makeup thing.
(Surely you can see the punchline coming?)
The guy was from KISS, a pre-makeup KISS, KISS before anyone knew who they were.
Straight from their Wikipedia (which I know isn't the best source in the world):
Inspired by the theatrics of the New York Dolls, they also began experimenting with their image by wearing makeup and various outfits
I didn't mean to sound like Kiss were just walking in the footsteps of the Dolls, but for people that are farmiliar with both bands can definately see what Kiss took away from there nites watching the Dolls. You would be hard pressed to find a band in NYC at the time that dindn't see bands such as the Dolls and APF play. They were so different you had to stand up and take notice.
And I do mean to sound bitter about it, and the Dolls aren't bitter about it themselves, but I'd just like the Dolls, my favorite band of all time get a little bit of the credit that they deserve.
I think it boils down to this.
Alice Cooper+Dolls+APF+Glam Rock Movement=Kiss Alice Cooper-Glam Rock= Wicked Lester still playing in a pub somewhere.