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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 26, 2018 6:17:18 GMT -5
Problem is that in the past TV would set up PPVs. The PPV would provide some conclusion that that. TV, while not providing that conclusion still provided key moments and pieces to the story. Since the network I find PPVs simply set up the next PPV and take the function that tv used to serve. It’s makes the Network PPVs less vital and greatly reduces the value of tv I think this nails a huge problem WWE has; they just don't really do satisfying endings. AJ Styles keeps getting booked in matches that are good on paper, solid enough in early execution, but by the end something stupid and ridiculous has to happen to make sure the ending isn't clear, all so they can set up another match for the next month's big card...which ends with a ridiculous endings to set up another rematch on the next big card...and so on, and so on, and so on. There's tons of other examples of it in the promotion, but the fact is they're just not good at delivering a solid end point that leaves people feeling fulfilled with having sat through the journey; every show is now booked as a means of setting up the next show. WWE is pretty much the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show, and the audience has become Milhouse, frustrated at not getting to the fireworks factory.
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Post by paywindah on Sept 26, 2018 6:37:10 GMT -5
It will be very interesting to see if these new TV deal contracts give Fox or USA any options (cancellation, less hours, move to a lower-tier channel) if the ratings continue to drop year after year, or will they be legally obligated to show a 3-hour Raw in 2022 that’s getting less than a million viewers?
If there are no consequences for WWE, I can’t see them making any significant changes. But if any portion of their new deals is at risk, you’ll see Vince offer blank checks to guys like Punk and Omega to help spike ratings for a few months once those new deals get closer to starting.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 26, 2018 6:44:42 GMT -5
Problem is that in the past TV would set up PPVs. The PPV would provide some conclusion that that. TV, while not providing that conclusion still provided key moments and pieces to the story. Since the network I find PPVs simply set up the next PPV and take the function that tv used to serve. It’s makes the Network PPVs less vital and greatly reduces the value of tv I think this nails a huge problem WWE has; they just don't really do satisfying endings. AJ Styles keeps getting booked in matches that are good on paper, solid enough in early execution, but by the end something stupid and ridiculous has to happen to make sure the ending isn't clear, all so they can set up another match for the next month's big card...which ends with a ridiculous endings to set up another rematch on the next big card...and so on, and so on, and so on. There's tons of other examples of it in the promotion, but the fact is they're just not good at delivering a solid end point that leaves people feeling fulfilled with having sat through the journey; every show is now booked as a means of setting up the next show. WWE is pretty much the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show, and the audience has become Milhouse, frustrated at not getting to the fireworks factory. Fox Executives: I can honestly say you guys are putting on some of the best episodes of Impy & Chimpy I've ever seen.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 26, 2018 7:25:51 GMT -5
It’s on at 1am in the UK, and I can’t even remember the last time I watched a full RAW live until 4am. I think it was the night Cass was revealed as Enzo’s attacker. I don’t even record it as I have no time to watch it back. For someone who followed WWE religiously for 30 years, that’s pretty sad. I’m in the same boat. Since we’ve had Raw live from 2004, Tuesday was my favourite day of the week. Home from school, then work, to watch Raw. I never made plans on a Tuesday. I record it but haven’t watched Raw since Mania 32. I’m disproportionately sad about it because I’d love Raw to be the highlight of my week again.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 26, 2018 7:49:15 GMT -5
I don't even know what Raw is about at this point and I have been watching. They are spreading themselves too thin, what with an Australian PPV, the Evolution women's PPV, and the Saudi PPV. That is a lot of PPVs for stuff that is all basically filler crap. There really isn't a meaningful show until Survivor Series and that is a long ways away. I think people were willing to give this Reigns/Strowman thing until HIAC and then when the whole Lesnar idiocy happened at the PPV and Strowman did not successfully cash in people just mentally gave up. Right now Raw is like watching gangs feuding, a more talented version of DOA vs. The Nation vs. Los Boricuas in 1997. I think that's the dilemma with Raw. If you aren't one of those top 6 guys no one is doing anything remotely interesting. In fact the rest of the roster is awful. Nearly all of the actual feuds and personal issues are on SD at the moment (AJ/Joe, Bryan/Miz, Becky/Charlotte) so it's amazing SD hasn't blown past Raw in the ratings. SD just doesn't utilize the roster they have all that well on a weekly basis. I would put the blame on the main event. If the main event is good, people will tune in. And at the minute, it is awful - you have a failed babyface that is feuding with a dude that has been made to look like a total dummy and his heel turn has killed off his heat. And both of them were on the deck for 7 minutes on the last PPV.
And that failed babyface is one that cannot get a match over, cannot work well from under and in the last year, has gotten worse in ring.
As for SDL not blowing past Raw, remember that the WWE Title hasn't main evented a PPV in ages, and the Smackdown champion lost to the Raw one last year. Smackdown has been shown to be minor league in comparison to Raw. And when the Raw is so bad, why watch something that is displayed as inferior? After all, a jabroni on Raw won the WWE Title last year.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 26, 2018 7:57:58 GMT -5
See, there is a huge problem with Reigns. I can't really think of a decent match he has had all year. Maybe the one with Bob at the July PPV. The booking is something that WWE has themselves to blame however. They kept pulling the football away from Reigns over the past 3 years to the point where fans became conditioned to see him as a failure, but now he's supposed to be an unbeatable champion. There's really nothing in his work that justifies his push.
What is scary is that the reactions to all of these guys are waning. The heated hate for Reigns has subsided but now he mostly just has lukewarm heat. Strowman has been killed off here, though that one is fixable by having him just destroy Ziggler and McIntyre one week and moving on. The big problem is I see nothing Raw is building to for the future. What is Raw's main WM match?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:15:23 GMT -5
I can see a very possible chance that I don't watch Raw again for years. They can f*** off. I'd rather watch a thousand roughing the passer penalties than one more minute of spite watching this shit.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 26, 2018 8:17:30 GMT -5
See, there is a huge problem with Reigns. I can't really think of a decent match he has had all year. Maybe the one with Bob at the July PPV. The booking is something that WWE has themselves to blame however. They kept pulling the football away from Reigns over the past 3 years to the point where fans became conditioned to see him as a failure, but now he's supposed to be an unbeatable champion. There's really nothing in his work that justifies his push. What is scary is that the reactions to all of these guys are waning. The heated hate for Reigns has subsided but now he mostly just has lukewarm heat. Strowman has been killed off here, though that one is fixable by having him just destroy Ziggler and McIntyre one week and moving on. The big problem is I see nothing Raw is building to for the future. What is Raw's main WM match? Also Seth and Dean were getting hugely over away from this mess, now they're not really The Shield, they're just Roman's buddies, pretty clearly under him.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 26, 2018 8:28:00 GMT -5
Problem is that in the past TV would set up PPVs. The PPV would provide some conclusion that that. TV, while not providing that conclusion still provided key moments and pieces to the story. Since the network I find PPVs simply set up the next PPV and take the function that tv used to serve. It’s makes the Network PPVs less vital and greatly reduces the value of tv I think this nails a huge problem WWE has; they just don't really do satisfying endings. AJ Styles keeps getting booked in matches that are good on paper, solid enough in early execution, but by the end something stupid and ridiculous has to happen to make sure the ending isn't clear, all so they can set up another match for the next month's big card...which ends with a ridiculous endings to set up another rematch on the next big card...and so on, and so on, and so on. There's tons of other examples of it in the promotion, but the fact is they're just not good at delivering a solid end point that leaves people feeling fulfilled with having sat through the journey; every show is now booked as a means of setting up the next show. WWE is pretty much the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie Show, and the audience has become Milhouse, frustrated at not getting to the fireworks factory.
At least Roman can tell us to recycle....TO THE EXTREME!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 26, 2018 8:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:26:40 GMT -5
Just remember, this show is still worth like a kajillion dollars. Clearly that Roman Reigns fella is bringing in the eyeballs.
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Post by r. on Sept 26, 2018 10:47:25 GMT -5
I say this nicely. That is a tired excuse. It's football season, It's summer, It's winter, School Started...etc, The problem may just be the product has become an absolute chore to watch.
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Post by DSR on Sept 26, 2018 10:50:17 GMT -5
I say this nicely. That is a tired excuse. It's football season, It's summer, It's winter, School Started...etc, The problem may just be the product has become an absolute chore to watch. I am aware. I was mostly messing around with that football thing. I mean, I watched Raw. It had a few decent moments, but I understand why a lot of people don't wanna watch a three hour show for a few decent moments.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 26, 2018 10:56:49 GMT -5
See, there is a huge problem with Reigns. I can't really think of a decent match he has had all year. Maybe the one with Bob at the July PPV. The booking is something that WWE has themselves to blame however. They kept pulling the football away from Reigns over the past 3 years to the point where fans became conditioned to see him as a failure, but now he's supposed to be an unbeatable champion. There's really nothing in his work that justifies his push. He did have a really good match with Finn on Raw after Summerslam, and in that match, Reigns was working on top and was practically working heel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 10:58:41 GMT -5
There's literally not a single appealing thing about Raw.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 26, 2018 11:01:31 GMT -5
There's literally not a single appealing thing about Raw. There's Roman Reigns, Jinder Mahal, Brie Bella in the ring, Michael Cole on commentary......oh, you said appealing not appaling. My bad.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2018 14:12:20 GMT -5
Brawn and Alexa not becoming an onscreen couple when it was obvious they had chemistry was the breaking point for me. I hear he's turned heel now? Good grief, what a shitshow,
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 26, 2018 14:30:29 GMT -5
The WWE Rallying Cry right now. Fox can't be looking at these ratings and going "Yeah...this will be a sound investment for us."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 16:08:26 GMT -5
Fox can't be looking at these ratings and going "Yeah...this will be a sound investment for us." Smackdown was #1 for the night in the 18-49 demo last night, as it is most weeks. I doubt Fox is sweating it too much.
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Post by psychokiller on Sept 26, 2018 16:20:35 GMT -5
See, there is a huge problem with Reigns. I can't really think of a decent match he has had all year. Maybe the one with Bob at the July PPV. The booking is something that WWE has themselves to blame however. They kept pulling the football away from Reigns over the past 3 years to the point where fans became conditioned to see him as a failure, but now he's supposed to be an unbeatable champion. There's really nothing in his work that justifies his push. What is scary is that the reactions to all of these guys are waning. The heated hate for Reigns has subsided but now he mostly just has lukewarm heat. Strowman has been killed off here, though that one is fixable by having him just destroy Ziggler and McIntyre one week and moving on. The big problem is I see nothing Raw is building to for the future. What is Raw's main WM match? I’m assuming it’ll be Reigns vs. heel Ambrose. Unless the rumors of The Rock returning next year really happen than it’ll likely be The Rock vs. Reigns.
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